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Climate emergency - why is Dublin Airport expanding???

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,286 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    It’s a much bigger issue than specific to the greens.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Because people need air travel and cargo and thankfully most of us believe in climate change but dont believe the extremists in this world who claim its an imminent threat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,806 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...because it is an imminent treat, this is becoming more and more evident year to year



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    For the last time I can find readily available data (2016) from the IATA, "System-wide, airlines carried 4.1 billion passengers on scheduled services, an increase of 7.3% over 2016, representing an additional 280 million trips by air." and by 2036 IATA projects 7.8 billion passengers, since the local population has crossed the 5 million mark for the first time since 1851, it's a fair assessment that another runway is needed unless in future you would prefer to land at Shannon and take the high speed rail back to Dublin.

    The Greens are watermelons, green on the outside, red in the centre. They are NOT TO BE TRUSTED. All they want is your vote, only then will you find out how bad it can be under their rule. Their growth can be traced back to the collapse of the Soviet Union where a new vehicle was needed to replace communism, ecology was chosen. Ultimately, the Greens are just one specific form in which anti-capitalism today articulates itself. The panic-mongering about the imminent end of the world is simply a pretext for reorganizing the economy into a control and command system.

    None of our politicians can tell you what the ideal temperature is for life on earth and quantify how the enforcement of their policies will achieve that. As an example it is clear to all who want to take the time to look that mandating an electrical grid to be powered by 70% random energy by 2030 will necessarily result in an unstable grid and Eirgrid has been warning about this. Yet many people are so far stuck up their asses that they have concocted a climate emergency in their heads that bears no relation to reality and are stuck in groupthink.


    As an example of how out of touch with human welfare these people are see the UN Levels and Trends in Child Mortality: 2020 Report How many of the 5.2 million were caused by the "climate emergency"? Compared with the past with some exceptions mainly due to war all the human welfare metrics indicate improvement in the standard of living of humans. For context how many millions lose their lives every year due to adverse weather events?.

    The report documents remarkable progress in child survival over the past three decades. The global number of deaths among children under the age of five dropped from 12.5 million in 1990 to 5.2 million in 2019, the lowest level on record.

    There are ~40 million abortions per annum this is not caused by the "climate emergency".

    Over 4 million deaths have Corona virus attributed as a factor in their cause of death, that's not the "climate emergency".

    It is estimated that 80% of the global population live on less than $10 per day. We currently have access to a stable electricity supply in this country, however across the globe 2.6 billion don't as yet.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,806 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    beleive it or not, the ipcc isnt picking up on everything, its main economic contributors work, is currently being shredded to pieces, they dont understand how much trouble we re in, particularly in regards the impact of climate change, and our global economy. so, we really are in deep sh1t!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,240 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Why stop with the airport. Why are people still allowed to have kids? Why are we burying the dead when they could be turned into oil?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Anything to be said for a modern nuclear reactor or two? I couldn't imagine a better solution to reducing fossil fuel consumption and having predictable reliable power production.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    How much fat could you render from a human? Hardly viable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    It's going to be the only solution in the future.


    Anyone with half a brain knows it.


    Probably not our generation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    There is an old joke about economists that seems apt in relation to climate alarmism.

    A mathematician, an accountant and an economist apply for the same job.


    The interviewer calls in the mathematician and asks "What do two plus two equal?" The mathematician replies "Four." The interviewer asks "Four, exactly?" The mathematician looks at the interviewer incredulously and says "Yes, four, exactly."


    Then the interviewer calls in the accountant and asks the same question "What do two plus two equal?" The accountant says "On average, four - give or take ten percent, but on average, four."


    Then the interviewer calls in the economist and poses the same question "What do two plus two equal?" The economist gets up, locks the door, closes the shade, sits down next to the interviewer and says, "What do you want it to equal"?


    From seven years ago. Richard Tol an economist claimed the IPCC 5th assessment report had been altered to be more alarmist, with scientists playing to the crowd.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,390 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    You've found the break even point.

    but that's not what i asked. and even if i was to believe ryanair's claims, a dual occupancy car still beats the plane.

    if a dual occupancy car (and a car is one of the most inefficient ways to move people around) beats a plane, my question stands - you claimed that flying uses less energy than other forms of travel. which forms?

    all i see is a fight for last place between cars and planes.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,390 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the new runway construction started well over a year before they got back into government. i don't think you can pin this on them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 733 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    Shhh, don't try to ruin the fun of the "bash the Greens" brigade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    The climate emergency is too abstract. It requires good faith from massive competing economies and societies around the world. So far there has been little more than a scouts honour type commitments from the major economies. No doubt we are f*uked.

    the levels of carbon dioxide currently in the atmosphere are many multiples the levels they were when the last great warming period occurred. Which was believed to be caused by volcanic activity setting fire to a massive exposed pre historic coal seam. I mean how many coal seams has humanity burned in the last 200 years?

    unless the world is literally on fire in front of people’s eyes you will not get universal commitment and buy in from people on this.

    The pandemic has proved this in stark reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,806 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    funny you mention tol's work, as its his work thats been shredded to pieces, along side his butty nordhaus, neither have a clue about their professional fields



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    It amuses me when people talk about Ireland becoming a nanny state, government telling us what we can and can't do. And then on the other hand, people whinging the government aren't doing enough to stop us doing the things we want to do.

    It's supply and demand. People are voting with their feet. Dublin Airport is expanding because people will fly more.

    I had to cringe at some Green TD on the radio the other week. They were asked do they want to see more tourists or less tourists coming to Ireland considering Irelands economy depends so much on tourism. Their answer was pure rubbish, along the lines of "we want more tourists, but more sustainable...so instead of people coming here for 2 or 3 days and going on a flight again, they stay for longer". Really? How does that lower emissions on flights?



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,806 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    the greens a bit lost in regards maintaining our economy, and protecting our environment, such is the extent of the problem



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    To be honest, I'd rather continue on as we are with cheap flights etc instead of cost the average person out of everything just to reduce emissions where the end result is still climate change anyways.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,806 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    disagree strongly, our governments are virtually completely lost in regards how to maintain functioning economies, and tackling our environmental problems simultaneously, we need a new, and completely radical change in how we approach these problems, our governments arent ready for that yet, continually defaulting to what they know, it wont work. for example, continuing to move the bulk of taxation towards citizens wont work, governments, and ultimately state financial institutions, need to step up to the mark, we also need to create new, purpose orientated state institutions to do so, again, we re not ready for these moves yet



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,286 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Completely disagree.

    Ireland can’t do it on its own. We are small fry compared to the industrialised giant economies. There needs to be an EU wide policy to eradicate the cheap flights era. That era had its time and it’s out of time frankly when you look at how dire the projections are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Greens are a joke.

    If they truly cared about the climate they'd be anti immigration. Irelands population is forecast to grow by 1m in 20 years. That means we have to cut emissions by roughly 20% in 20 years just to stay at CURRENT levels of emissions which are already deemed too high.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Such a tired and empty argument. China is big, China is powerful, China is awful so just f-ck it all there is no point.

    I hear the CCP have alot of gulags. Maybe our govt. should get into that business, expand the prison population, make them work for nothing for favoured MNCs.

    Having our own slaves to drive could be a highly profitable business model for Ireland!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,754 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    No parties are anti immigration, why single out the Greens for this? Also as I seem to have to remind people all the time, FG introduced Carbon Taxes and signed up to the Paris Agreement, when Greens were nowhere near Government, but somehow the country is convinced the taxes are the work of the Greens, a smooth move by FG/FF I guess.

    On flights I would have thought there are more than enough routes right now. To facilitate travel maybe more ferry routes are required and less destinations by air, Europe is well connected by trains. Maybe longer trips abroad, slow travel, and the end of constant city breaks should be the way forward.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,808 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The climate emergency isnt about corporations - its about your average joe soap having to cut back and pay more taxes.

    Corporations (DAA included), despite being responsible for far more emissions than normal people, are not the target for these climate protection measures.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,806 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    largely completely agree, the greens are unable to see the big picture, they just dont get it, they dont realise that average joe and mary are in serious trouble, and cannot take anymore sh1te, particular in relation to taxation. i completely agree in regards nuclear and hydrogen, thorium seems to be the way forward there, but....... nuclear resistance is understandable but...., and it also looks like we actually dont have the raw materials required on the planet, in order to move to a fully renewable world, so that ll probably be a bigger problem soon enough, and a realisation, hopefully it wont be too late when that occurs.

    i personally think it is possible to maintain our advancement as a species globally, but some serious realisations are required first



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,754 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    What taxes have the Green introduced? The Greens wont be in Government after next election I mean who will you then blame for more taxes?

    Also we can't build a hospital or even bike lanes without all hell breaking loose, how on Earth would we ever get a nuclear power plant built? They take decades anyway and we're supposed to be carbon zero way before that, and we do not have the political landscape for it to ever happen with NIMBYism in this country, it has nothing to do with the how the Greens feel about nuclear, that's completely irrelevant to why we don't have nuclear in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,806 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    the greens are locked into the neoliberal/neoclassical school of economics, they dont seem to truly understand why theres such a resistance to their policies, as the publics perception of them is, 'they are the party of taxes', this is only partially true of course, as all parties are ultimately probably also, as most are also locked into this frame of thinking. i do believe this approach will ultimately fail, again, average joe and mary are in serious trouble, the approach of promoting major sectors, in particular the fire sectors(finance, insurance and real estate), in order to run our economies, has failed, we re currently experiencing these failures, most evident in our property market failures, but this is very evident environmentally to, we re still locked into this frame of thinking, it wont work



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,390 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yeah, it all just depends on how big you want to draw the circle around you. 'why should i bother turning the heating down a notch when joe down the road flies on business every week?'

    'why should ireland do anything because china?'

    'why should europe do anything because china?'

    there will always be a circle big enough to draw to make the claim someone else should try first.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,754 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well it's a global issue and the EU is a huge polluter domestically and also with the amount of pollution we outsource to China, we are a massive market for China obviously.

    So all this Ireland can do nothing thing is silly really, we are part of the EU, the EU can do an awful lot to curb emissions and pollution, both in Europe and China, if we can get our act together.



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