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Climate emergency - why is Dublin Airport expanding???

  • 11-09-2021 11:24am
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    Registered Users Posts: 13,533 ✭✭✭✭ Beechwoodspark



    With the huge climate emergency that is ongoing at the moment why is Dublin airport expanding and building another run way?

    Ireland has become the second country in the world to declare a climate EMERGENCY.

    The decision was made after an amendment to a parliamentary climate action report was agreed by both the Government and the opposition.

    Climate change has been described as the greatest challenge facing humanity.

    Do Dublin Airport realise There’s more carbon dioxide in our atmosphere than any time in human history???

    sensors at the Mauna Loa observatory in Hawaii – which has tracked Earth’s atmospheric concentration of CO2 since the late 1950s – detected a CO2 concentration of 415.26 ppm.

    The last time Earth's atmosphere contained this much CO2 was more than three million years ago, when sea levels were several metres higher and trees grew at the South Pole.

    Scientists have warned that carbon dioxide levels higher than 450ppm are likely to lock in catastrophic and irreversible changes in the climate. Around half of the CO2 emitted since 1750 has been in the last 40 years.

    So why are Dublin airport and the aviation industry in Ireland given permission to “carry on regardless” and build another runway?

    They should be decreasing their activities there and not ramping up recklessly - at least, until there is carbon neutral aviation.

    Every other sector is getting lectures day and night about becoming green this and green that. And no harm. It is an EMERGENCY after all?!?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,533 ✭✭✭✭ Beechwoodspark


    And this article about the recent Climate Change report is well worth the read to get an understanding of the dire climate issues facing ireland and the world

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/latest-ipcc-report-catastrophe/619698/



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,311 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    IIRC PP for the runway was granted in 2017, before ireland had declared a climate emergency (which has had sod all effect anyway); and you'd hardly expect an airport of all places to get an attack of conscience about CO2 emissions.

    also, CO2 emitted by international flights from ireland does not count towards calculations of ireland's CO2 emissions; the vast majority of flights to or from dublin are international i would hazard.

    might be better asking why are data centres being given the green light left, right, and centre, after the climate emergency was declared. or why the national herd has increased by something like 100,000 cattle in the last year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,133 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms


    We are an island nation..

    It’s expanding because there is a demand for more flights..

    the catalyst for this is the ever increasing population on the island..

    the price of flying has decreased..

    the demand for movement of people and express cargo is high...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 691 ✭✭✭ jmlad2020


    This ^^^^^^^^


    Never been a better time to build an extra runway that might be needed in the future. Pre covid levels of travel should be returning in the coming years and a with a growing population it makes sense.

    Cows produce more Co2 than air travel anyways. Relax. Air travel will become more efficient and less polluting in the near future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 71,938 ✭✭✭✭ Atlantic Dawn


    We are shipping beef to China ffs, plenty more higher emitting industries need a swift kick up the hole to make them see sense in what they are doing before aviation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,888 ✭✭✭✭ Del2005


    Don't worry we'll run out of drinking water long before we boil. Ireland has a tiny impact on the environment compared to the countries draining fossil aquifers, desalinating water and building massive diesel powered militaries.


    We need an airport because we are an island nation. Better to go after the 100 companies that produce 70% of emissions than cut ourselves off from the world.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change



  • Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭ MBE220d


    We keep hearing about rising tides also, yet they are going to build thousands of homes on the old glass bottle site right beside the sea, are they going to build them on stilts, funny no mention of that anywhere, maybe that area won't be affected for some reason.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 88,670 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    Over long distances flying uses less energy than other forms of travel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭ Topgear on Dave


    Bloody right, we're an island and we need to get on and off it.



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    Imagine they banned all the airports and stopped ferries and be stuck in this kip of a place permanent.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,311 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    which forms of travel?

    google maps shows me paris to rome is 1,450km; my (petrol) car would do that at approx 120g/km, or 174kg of CO2; 350kg for the return trip.

    i tried 3 online calculators for the plane flight, and they estimated between 310KG and 450KG for the return trip - per person. add a second occupant to the car and the CO2 per person drops to roughly half that of the plane flight. trains will beat it hands down, as will a bus; in short, planes are fast, not efficient.

    (edited as i forgot to specify the second calculation was for air travel)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,759 ✭✭✭✭ klaz


    You really need to travel if you consider Ireland to be a kip.

    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle 



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,686 ✭✭✭✭ VinLieger


    20 US livestock companies are responsible for the same levels of methane as Germany, France or the UK.... but yes its Dublin airport thats the real problem.......



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,533 ✭✭✭✭ Beechwoodspark


    There needs to be a green levy imposed on all flights, green taxes on the carriers themselves and also a significant levy on the airports - dependant on their flight numbers.

    There also needs to be a levy on each ticket that the passenger pays.

    Ultra cheap tickets from @budget airlines” need to be consigned to the dustbin of pre climate emergency history

    business travel should be discouraged as much as possible (no need for 95%+ of it) and also “casual” cheap holiday travel needs to be completely phased out - make it expensive via the levy system - ppl will choose to staycation (ideally in eco tourism settings) and holiday abroad in lower numbers and frequency will reduce.


    This tax and levy funding then should be funnelled by Govt into ring fenced specific green tech R&D.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,888 ✭✭✭✭ Del2005


    Why not have the same for trains and buses? It's not like trains don't have an environmental impact, especially if it's a high speed line.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭ Topgear on Dave


    The first part is a good way of stopping poor people flying. It won't be popular.


    95% of business travel is unnecessary? How do you work that out? Iv done a fair bit and none of it was done for fun I assure you.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 88,670 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    You've found the break even point.

    On longer trips the plane wins. Driving by car also wears the tyres and you have to use more facilities en-route.

    Ryanair claim 66g per passenger / km , a 1,450km trip would be 191Kg CO2

    Trains are great but expensive. In the UK HS2 will cost over £100Bn !

    Note : As we are on an island you'd need to factor in the ferries too if doing Paris to Dublin.


    Electric trains or proper electric cars vs. something like ammonia fuelled aircraft would be another discussion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭ Jinglejangle69


    I couldn't care less if they build 10 runways.


    But taxing ordinary people for the greens utopia vision while they preside over a new runway doesn't sit right with me.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,608 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    you would, if it meant you couldnt live here

    yup, the neoliberal/neoclassical approach of taxation most certainly wont work to solve this one, states are just gonna have to suck it up, and start running budget deficits from now on

    oh and expanding the airport is good for the economy, hence good for the environment, or something something something......



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