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Denis Villeneuve’s Dune

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    It's travelling without moving. The navigator and the Holtzman effect allow space to be folded. The explanation I've heard used is imagine the ship as a point on a flat sheet. Rather than the ship accelerating and "travelling", the movement from point A on the sheet to point B is achieved by the sheet folding itself in hyperspace and the ship exiting that fold-space at point B.

    The Dune Encyclopedia does give a great pseudo science explanation, but it also names a "fastest" ship implying the journey through fold-space isn't instantaneous.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I'll be surprised if we see the navigators in the film. That sequence in the 1984 version wasn't in the book and the look of the navigators was something Lynch came up with. I think including the navigators in this film before we have really learned about the spice would just confuse people.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    yup yup. Aka, how Event Horizon and Interstellar explained the FTL workaround 😜 which is probably the only time both films would intersect lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    It may not be to everyones taste but 8/10 on IMDB, 88% on RT, 81% on Meta and 84% approval on Google would suggest it is most certainly not that, whether you're look at critc or audience opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I don't give a fig for what its score is on shill sites. There's a reason it was total box office poison, same reason that, unlike the original, that no one gives a flying **** about it 5 years after its release: it was dogshite. Another reheat of classic source material which completely missed the appeal of the original but was also dragged down with all the present day baggage of Americas nervous breakdown

    Still, lets get excited about Dune, because that won't be another classic "IP" dragged back to life to shamble around like a zombie. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Trojan


    Comparing Dune and Star Wars is like comparing Alain Ducasse and MacDonald’s.

    Both are highly successful providers of food, and there the comparison ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That's a bit unfair on Star Wars. Very different kinds of sci-fi but there are plenty of parts to Dune that fall way below epic writing too



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Dune and Star Wars might be chalk and cheese, but the former still operated as a progenitor for a great deal of sci-fi that came after - including George Lucas' magnum opus. Dune popularised and pushed the space opera into the mainstream as something that could be more than Flash Gordon era pulp and immaturity into something legitimate, but still entertaining.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Really looking forward to it. However I found this attention seeking review..


    https://www.indiewire.com/2021/09/dune-review-denis-villeneuve-1234660459/



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Only listening to this now, and I would wonder if this is final, 'cos a few tracks sound very like Toto's own score from the 1984 film. Would be nice if it was, a few aural links back to the previous, controversial film would be a neat touch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Maybe the sound of a pug barking in the background of one of the songs 😜



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Shang Chi hit $80,000,000 at the domestic box office… way exceeding expectations. Looks like people are willing to go to the cinema, at least for a marvel film anyway. Will they be willing to go to cinema for a movie about sand and worms ? If Dune hits the $80,000,000 mark in its first week we are guaranteed a sequel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,847 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    So it seems from glancing through the reviews that it is a very arty, stylistic film. So much so, it has surprised critics.

    While I’m intrigued and cannot wait to see it personally, not sure if this will “do this business” enough to green light the sequel...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    When was the last time anything other then a generic superhero/action movie did huge business at the box office ? The matrix ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Looking at the list most of the top ones are Avengers, Disney, Star Wars or Harry Potter. There are very few not attached to a franchise high up but there is Avatar and Titanic way up there.

    Down in 62nd from 2001 is Lord of the Rings which is the last time I remember what I thought would be a niche nerdy movie smashing the box office. Even the Avengers was a long slow burn before it broke into the mainstream.Even those awful Aquaman and Crocubot movies dragged on for ages.

    I honestly think there is already enough momentum behind this to get the sequel. You must not fear, fear is the mind killer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    LOTR is IMO a particularly apt comparison for Dune. I'd long been a fan of LOTR, went to see it with a group of friends and there was som palpable WTF from some of the group as Frodo and Sam slipped off alone at the end of the Fellowship.There may have been a shout of "What a stupid way to end a film"!

    The structure of Dune the book, lends a filmmaker pursuing a multi movie adaptation a few clear breaks in the storyline that allow for somewhat natural separation of the books between Paul-MuadDib and Prophet.

    Now that particular breakpoint is where I feel the story fleeces well as there's a time jump there too. But I don't really care where Villeneuve has put it. He has at least done it, and I'm happy with just that.

    The IGN review and a couple of others take issue with the movie spending far too long worldbuilding for a payoff that doesn't come in this movie. That's the point, that's the whole point IMO. Build the world, characters and mythos and build anticipation and interest in the payoff yet to come in movie 2. It put me immediately in mind of that winters visit to the Cinema in 2001, the hope for a story that could match the scale of Tolkien, and the friends who went expecting a neatly packaged story, with no loose ends, who after their initial disappointment with the 2 boyo's slinking off with a boat and some lembas bread...

    Who are now Tolkien nerds, who love the books,the movies, anticipate the Amazon series hugely and even attempted the Silmarillion 😂

    Imagine, just imagine if Villeneuve can strike a similar chord with his Dune? It won't be a 100% retelling of the book, it will amend, edit and condense...But! Reintroduce the mythos of Dune and hopefully it's Frank's Dune rather than the son's awful expansion 😉 I for one would be utterly delighted with that outcome, and fully embrace the risk that Villeneuve and the Studio are taking in their effort to catch this kind of audience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If Villeneuve succeeds and Dune becomes a multi film franchise I can't wait to see what the studios come up with to fit Legolas into Arrakis 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    The LOTR movies had a perfect mix of characters who ticked every box. There was fun, humour, heart, perfectly blended with drama, peril and even horror.

    My fear with DUNE is that the characters won't generate close to the same empathy, therefore the stakes will be less.

    Basically they're f*cked without Hobbits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Hopefully they dont try to make the Harkonnens funny like Lynch tried



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    The world-building may draw some comparison to LOTR but I think anyone expecting LOTR in space will be disappointed. Villeneuve has described it as "Star Wars for adults", which is exactly how Dino Laurentiis pitched the 1984 film. To me that comparison still fits but I'd describe it as SW with the plotting of GOT and the themes of The Godfather.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,104 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Game of Thrones in space probably isn't a bad pitch for it.

    I really hope it's a success, not because I'm a particular Dune fan (I read it years ago) but because it would be good to see more non-franchise blockbusters aimed at "adult" audiences.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    They don't seem that way; in fact they come across quite vicious, but still gross and vulgar.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Is the release date here moved to September? Entertainment.ie have it pegged as September 15th, which would tie in with the announced EU release dates. Yet everywhere else has it as being the 21st October.

    I'll be booking a viewing at the Omniplex' local to me and their IMAXX screen, would love to see it next week but I do think that entertainment.ie might be jumping the gun :(



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    It’s out 21st October here, same as the US/UK.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Any idea when the big screens will be taking bookings?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    big ole....

    SPOILERS WARNING

    .. and such 🙂


    Villeneuve and Ferguson talk before and after the first IMAX screening in Toronto




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    hearing great things, ideally to be seen in an IMAX

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    Theres a series on the way aswell I somehow missed hearing about this

    https://deadline.com/2021/07/dune-the-sisterhood-diane-ademu-john-as-new-showrunner-1234798280/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    it's over on Denis Villeneuves imdb page

    along with Dune Part 2. Depending on box office / streaming money and viewers.. maybe more could appear




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Official soundtrack is now out. A lot like BR 2049's score, i.e. very atmospheric, presumedly produced alongside the sound design and not very melodic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Oh dear ,what a terrible showrunner they have chosen.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    So DUNE has being released in other countries a full month ahead of here, China and the US?

    That's a bit mad. I assume the first digital release is the HBO one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think all English speaking countries have to wait for the US release



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    The US RELEASE has to be the because there will be big piracy so they need to get it out internationally first, to maximise revenue.

    Post edited by EltonJohn69 on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Yeah, I get that once an English version - and definitely when a digital version - are released, all bets are off in terms of piracy.

    Just seems like a big gap between theatre releases.

    Not sure why they chose that approach rather than to delay the digital release until after a good global theatre run.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Releasing it internationally first lets it build up word of mouth and get some box office business ahead of it hitting HBO Max and the torrent sites in Oct. Then if it underperforms at the US box office they can blame piracy and the digital release while at the same time pointing to streaming views and torrent downloads as proof that there's an audience for sequels. The film doesn't have to make a profit at the box office, it just needs to get enough views to be considered a potential loss leader and justify further investment in the franchise.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    The fact the first release is a month before the "West" gets it, suggests they have confidence in the film, and aren't relying on a huge opening to save them.

    I just wish it would hurry up, although I'm in a race against time to re-read the book before Oct 21. :)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,717 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    *me - selfish world cinema fan who often has to wait 6-12 months for new films to be released here - when a blockbuster comes out a bit later here*

    NOW YOU TOO KNOW THE PAIN OF WAITING.

    (but seriously: surprised by some of those international numbers. If that’s even somewhat replicated in English speaking territories, they might just get to make their sequel).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I thought if you were worried about a flop you would just massively ramp up the "Zendaya movie" and throw it out everywhere at once before anyone has time to be put off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How does holding it back in the US create less piracy. Surely by releasing it other places the US is now already flooded with pirate copies ?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    To be fair, the promotions thus far have emphasized Zendaya's Chani, even though - if this adaptation remains parallel to the novel - she'll be a very minor character at this point in the story.

    Great news so far the film has made $36 million and counting, from such a limited international release. Haven't checked typical continental EU box offices but so far it looks good. (Again though, assuming the movie itself is decent!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    HBO are releasing it the same day as it opens in US cinemas so there will be a perfect digital copy released.

    Any copy before then will be a telesync or cam, with non english audio, essentially worthless for most people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Those are already out there on some sites and I cannot fathom wanting to watch it in such poor capture.

    I'll be in my local Omniplex watching this release in their IMAX knock off and exposing my son to Arrakis as closely as I can to Villeneuve's intended vision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Quality will be poorer but European cinemas have been doing English screenings so the audio wont be an issue. Personally I think people would be mad to see this in anything but a cinema but people are mad



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    Where is the best cinema in Ireland to watch it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I wouldn’t trust a crowded cinema with a film like this. I have had so many incidents with idiots making noise. It seems to be socially accepted to talk though out a film.

    I remember seeing one marvel movie where someone( a grown man) near to me kept saying “I am Iron man” every time Robert Down jr appeared on screen…..

    though I think 90% of people don’t care about noise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33




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