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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I sold our 2016 Nissan Leaf with 9% degradation at 5 years old, our Tesla has 8% degradation after 6 years and our Kona has a brand new free replacement battery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    our Tesla has 8% degradation after 6 years

    Really?! Thats a surprise.

    I thought the Tesla batteries were meant to be the best in class and the Leaf batteries were terrible.... or at least thats what some on here would lead you to believe anyway. Your experience is they are much the same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭simons104


    Thanks folks, appreciate the info



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    And the other one the same

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I never answered your second question about getting a replacement battery

    Short version, unless it's a warranty replacement, it's not really worth it

    In technical terms, replacing the battery is simple enough:

    1. Lift car
    2. Unscrew battery bolts under car
    3. Battery drops out (have something ready to catch it, it weighs 200-300kg 😀)
    4. Put new battery in and connect it
    5. Reprogram BMS for new battery via CAN Bus adaptor (there's programs to do this via a laptop or phone)
    6. Drop car

    Obviously lifting a car and heavy battery isn't easy, but it's something most mechanics could potentially do, there's no great science to it

    In addition, battery packs are often compatible between cars of similar brands

    • All Nissan Leafs have the same size and shape pack, there have been examples of older Leafs being upgraded to 40kWh or 62kWh pack
    • All VW ID cars use the same battery pack, the only difference is the number of cells. In theory you could take a small battery ID.3 and add more cells to bring it up to the biggest battery size

    Now comes the tricky question, is any of this worth it?

    Unless you get the new battery for a low price and are willing to do the work yourself so the labour is free, then it isn't worth it

    There are companies that will replace and upgrade battery packs for you. Cheapest seems to be €6,990 to upgrade a Leaf 24kWh to 30kWh, that's if you let them keep the old battery to resell

    Considering you can buy a 24kWh Leaf for around €5k these days, and a 30kWh one for around €11k, that doesn't seem like much of a bargain. It also probably wouldn't raise the resale value and would have insurance implications since the car has been modified (some companies say a battery replacement is minor works but that refers to the 12v battery on all cars)

    So unless you really like your current EV and want to give it a longer life, and have access to a car lift and you're fairly handy with mechanics, then battery swaps aren't really worthwhile

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭cannco253


    Not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere.

    "BMW wants to encourage its customers to make full use of its car’s part-electric power. As long as the car in question is part of the BMW PHEV range, and is using the BMW Operating System 7 software, it will automatically switch to all-electric power when it enters an eDrive Zone. That assumes, of course, that there is sufficient charge in the battery to do so, but the software can help manage that too. Enter a destination into the car’s sat-nav, and if the route includes an eDrive Zone the hybrid system will automatically save sufficient battery charge to make sure you can enter and cross the zone under zero-emissions power."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,641 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Have discovered an issue with work chargers, and was wondering if anyone would have any thoughts on what might be causing it?

    We had a single charge point installed a few years ago, a ChargePoint one. It's display says it's an 11kw one and I noticed it charges my Leaf at 3.3.

    Have now got more points in, and their display shows them as 22kw ones. But my Leaf constantly interrupts charging after a minute or two. Seems to start ok. Tried couple of the chargers and all doing the same.

    The old one still working fine. So that would rule out the timer charging that I am overriding etc. If it works on one, should work on the other. Talking to work colleagues the new chargers are working for them without issues.

    So why might the new ones be interrupting?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    So for the 11kW, it makes sense that you'll only get 3.3kW. It's 11kW 3 phase, so 3.6kW per phase. Since your Leaf only charges on single phase, it'll just use one of the 3.6kW supplies. I'm guessing it's dropping to the nearest charging power it has available which is 3.3kW


    As for the other chargers, sounds strange alright, maybe a bad connection. I'm guessing they're untethered chargers? If so then maybe borrow a cable and try that, perhaps one of the control pins is losing contact

    Does your car beep when the charging gets interrupted? If it does the single beep for cable connected then that would indicate a connection issue

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Based on what you’ve described I’d say it’s the charge points, not your car.

    is your leaf 6.6kW? Maybe the new charge points dont like that being pulled on one phase.

    any of the others users got a Leaf? If not, do you know anyone that could try one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,231 ✭✭✭Kramer



    But my Leaf constantly interrupts charging after a minute or two. Seems to start ok. Tried couple of the chargers and all doing the same.

    Possibly connected - plugged our Model 3 into a new EasyGo 22kW AC in Lidl & it kept intermittently stopping the charge. The car said something like "charging interrupted due to high voltage". It would restart & stop again.

    Maybe a site issue with too high a voltage & your car being more sensitive to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭denismc


    How are you guys measuring the degradation on your batteries?

    I just got an OBD dongle to use with Carscanner and according to the app the SOH of my battery is 100%.

    Is that it, or am I missing something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Is it a Leaf, and is it new? SOH of 100% would make sense on a brand new car, might even be higher because they often add a kWh or two into the battery to cover any early life degredation

    If it's over a year old, then you'd expect some degredation. Sometimes you need to go for a long drive to calibrate the battery before taking a reading

    Also I have some recollection that my Leaf was giving weird battery readings on leafspy for the first few minutes...

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,318 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Depends on car, ioniq typically shows 100% up to and above 160,000km but that can't be 100% true as there has to be some degredation, Hyundai and presumably Kia hide the true value and use some of the extra battery buffer. It's like the car starts with 110% and only drops below 100% when it's actually degraded 10%. I am typically a bit suspicious of reported by car degredation as it has warranty and reputation implications and Nissan released BMS updates which suddenly reports the battery improved, which can't be true, but they claim they just fixed a bug. I would say the truth is that they decided to show higher values to prevent battery warranty claims, and allow the battery to drain more to zero % so giving a bit more range. I know Tesla have different battery sizes in the exact same cars, so the extra buffer can vary depending on the exact pack installed the day it was built with many standard range cars often having long range batteries, but software restricted. The only real way to know would be an independent discharge test and measure the amount of energy supplied before the battery management system shuts off the battery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭Comer1


    I assume a dealer has a way to accurately measure it when you bring your car in for trade?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    That's a good one....

    Vast majority of dealers quite in the dark on EVs. There is specific Apps to determine battery degradation eg scanmytesla.

    What make and model have you in mind?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,641 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Yeah there's another couple of Leaf owners. Only spoke to one, he has 30kw car and his works fine on the newer chargers. Funnily enough he said he had issues using the older charger.

    I will give it another go, and actually sit in the car to see if I notice anything on the charger display. Outside of that, always got the old one to use since I know it works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    What charger is in your Leaf and in his Leaf... are they 3.6kW or 6.6kW?

    Maybe also try his cable on your car on the new charge points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,231 ✭✭✭Kramer


    Most EV owners will largely deny they've any degradation......or an irrelevant, tiny percentage!

    Measuring it won't materially matter to you & actually can become an issue for some, worrying excessively about how they use the car to prolong the battery's life etc.

    Charge up, drive on & don't worry about it!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Volkswagen have teased their new Honda E ID.Life concept 😂

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    Easy enough to see where the styling comes from, although theirs far worse looking cars to copy and it's nice to see all the ID concepts aren't just a photocopy of the ID.3


    To be fair, it looks like they stole the interior from a Model 3, minus the screen. They're making up for it by putting a projector screen on the windscreen when parked 😁

    Screenshot_20210906-120847__01.jpg

    Gotta say that screen looks class. Just take my damn money VW!

    Post edited by the_amazing_raisin on

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Is the other half of the steering wheel an optional extra?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭MightyMunster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    The charging hatch at the front isn't thought out very well and will have to change. Having the charge port and the AC cable storage under a single cover isn't a good idea. If you're charging by CCS, you're leaving your AC cable exposed, unless you take it out and put it somewhere else. Which defeats the purpose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,265 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    and the yoke was stolen from Kit (knight rider)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah you'd want something to allow the lid to close when plugged into AC. Otherwise you might walk out after a rainy night to find you frunk has become a basin of water 😂

    On the plus side however, there looks to be an AC out socket on the other side. Maybe VW are finally catching onto the V2L concept

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Nothing wrong with driving like the Hoff 😎

    Apparantly I'm doing VW an injustice because the Honda E exterior was copied from the Golf Mk I

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    I suppose I can't argue with the similarities

    Goes to show that car makers copying each others designs isn't anything new

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Actually looking at some of the specs of the ID Life concept is interesting. 57kWh battery, presumably that's the max size and there'll be smaller options

    A battery that size on something that's basically a Polo or i20 should give an excellent city range. I'd expect 350km is quite doable

    If you're living and commuting in Dublin then you could probably go a week between charges. Shows a real option for people who are reliant on public charging

    And with a battery that size then you'd have no worries about doing a long trip at the weekend

    No mention of charging speed, I suspect it won't win any awards since it's using LFP cells. Probably 100kW peak based on the similar battery ID.3 with a more conservative charging curve

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,641 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Would it not be a good idea to have 2 charging ports on a car, so it wouldn't matter if you drive in or reverse into a charger?

    I'm sure it wouldn't cost that much yo hook a 2nd port up to the battery?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    That's be the ideal, and some premium cars have that option. Porsche Taycan is the first that springs to mind

    Of course they always only put a single CCS port on the car, so it's a bit pointless. I assume it's down to cost and weight, a 500A rated cable isn't exactly cheap or light

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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