Random EV thoughts.....

liamog

The electricity industry must be the only one in the world where suppliers complain about having more customers.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117950901#Comment_117950901

Nah, pretty sure the insurance companies were complaining about that a few years ago

Also, does the HSE count as a company? 😂

MightyMunster

Surely more of an effort could be made to level out the peak demand a bit.

Maybe a 5 -8pm peak tarrif to discourage people from running dishwashers, dryers, washing machines, charging cars etc during this time.

Or put everyone on a day/night rate.

Or even a few ad's to inform people that after 8pm is a better time to run energy hungry devices.

garo

At this point a simple ad campaign telling people to avoid using devices heavy on electricity is low hanging fruit. Yes you need the over for dinner time but the washing or drying can usually be done at a different time.

irishgrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117946272#Comment_117946272

Yeah well, you know, that's just like eh your opinion, man.

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117952798#Comment_117952798

Agree, those of us more financially tuned have availed of night rate and movement of consumption to timed devices like dishwasher etc, middle ground are the PV users and at an extreme we have the battery peak shavers.

All of this will filter over time and for the "innocent" the shock to change habits will be the huge electricity bill and that will kick them into change

Jessica.Fletcher

We should move the working day to 11pm to 8am .

That way we wont upset the data centers .

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117952176#Comment_117952176

That's the idea of peak tariffs but unfortunately they tend to increase fuel poverty as well

There's plenty of options for mitigating energy usage during this time but they all cost money which you won't have as much of if you're paying for more energy

It'd be nice to see a balanced approach, for example a scheme to deep retrofit all social housing and people on the fuel allowance so that the impact is minimised

It could be time limited as well, for example the grant expires in 2025 or something to get people to hurry up and get their houses upgraded

AndyBoBandy

Someone’s been a naughty boy/girl……

AndyBoBandy

Meanwhile in Navan, 2 clever PHEV drivers get the spots…….

cannco253

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-power-shortage-halts-apple-tesla-suppliers-stresses-supply-chain-2021-9

More factory shutdowns , more chip delays.

whippet

I am wondering if there is anyone in here that might have any insight .. if you are members of the Irish EV Owners Assoc on Facebook you may have seen my post yesterday.

Short story is that on my first venture outside of charging range of my home charger yesterday I discovered that my new Leaf 40 will not charge at any public charge point.

I have both an EasyGo and ECars account with money in them - and confirmed that there isn't an issue with the account.

I seems that my car will not establish a connection with the charge points ... the Fast charge point at Four Rivers Retail part attempted to connect about 15 times and then disconnected after 10 seconds with an error saying the session was stopped by the vehicle. The AC plug on the same box gave the same error. Another Leaf driver pulled in beside me and he had no issue.

I then tried the two fast chargers at the Circle K on the M9 at Kilcullen - the older charge point gave the same error and the newer type charging station didn't even indicate that it was plugged in to a car.

I then managed to get to the new EasyGo fast charger at the Starbucks in Naas .. again it initiated the process and then gave an ERR 5 code on the charge point - Which I think means that it failed to establish a connection with the car.

There is a small 7kw EasyGo charge point beside that and I was able to use my own cable and EAsyGo fob to get enough juice over a couple of hours to limp back home.

Last night I plugged in to my home wall box - no issue and tried my Father in law's wall box - no issue.

I have booked the car in to the Nissan dealer for late next week - I just can't get there any sooner ....

So ... if anyone has come across this before I love any advice !!

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958241#Comment_117958241

I suggest you bring it to a Nissan Dealer with an on site ChaDeMo charger such as Swords. It might be a ChaDeMo issue. I would also try a slow ESB charge point to see if you can charge there, if not it may still be an account issues. Try start the charge with the app and with the card. In the past lots of chargers have issues reading cards. Sometimes starting using the app does not work. You could also try the app without logging in until it gets to the one time pay screen and try a different credit card. I suggest starting your own thread here and put more details of car and mileage etc.

Gile_na_gile

Nissan can check the diagnostics on the car but might not be able to help you much if it is only an issue with charging on ESB and EasyGo points on both AC and DC. It seems to be that it is a problem with your ecars ESB account or card rather than the car since you can charge fine on AC at home. Being able to charge DC at a Nissan dealer will confirm it is an ESB issue. Just ring them, and try a different card plus the app as previous poster suggested. You could also try initiating a charge on someone elses car at the charging point to see if it works. Also make sure to press the scheduler bypass button for AC charging just in case (bottom right of dash area near your right knee).

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117953740#Comment_117953740

Deep retro fitting has a very poor payback period. I don’t see much benefit in retrofitting an old house whose layout doesn’t suit modern living. Better off just knocking and rebuilding. Especially in council areas that have disproportionately long gardens. Great opportunity to Incease density

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958809#Comment_117958809

True, but we need to do something about all the old houses around Ireland that are poorly insulated

I agree for a lot of old council houses a demolition and rebuild would make more logical sense. Deep retrofit is probably better suited to individual homes

The problem is the current (or past) governments doesn't seem interested in this and would prefer to sell the land to a private developer and then buy some of the houses back at an extortionate price

I'd much rather see the council's developing land themselves and selling some houses to cover the cost of building while using others for social housing. I think there was a report a couple of years back saying this makes more sense in Dublin and a few other cities than the current strategy

There's also the fact that a lot of older council houses were bought by the occupier. They might not be interested in selling their home anytime soon

NIMAN

@whippet

I described a very similar issue I am having at my work chargers.

Old one working fine, but tried 3 newer chargers, which are same design as old one, but they disconnect after less than a minute. They do start charging.

My Leaf is gen 1.5, 2014.

the_amazing_raisin

Found a very interesting video on V2G technology

https://youtu.be/DnFAXtaUAWo

Possibly something we're going to see more of shortly

There seems to be 2 types of V2G being talked about

One seem to be selling power to the grid at peak demand times, a lot like a FIT for solar

Other one here seems to be more focused on grid balancing. Customers are paid a fixed amount to be plugged in at certain times and the charging equipment will detect grid imbalances and either charge or discharge the car accordingly

In general people seem more comfortable with the first type, especially if you're getting a decent feed in rate for power. Something like 40c/kWh would be great. You could sell 10kWh to the grid when you get home and that would pay for a full charge that night

cannco253

https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a37824638/battman-ev-battery-health/

garo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117964210#Comment_117964210

Excellent video. Very nicely explained.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969850#Comment_117969850

Yeah it does seem the main thing stopping mass adoption is that energy suppliers aren't talking to car manufacturers

I suppose we're starting to see some of that happening with some cars being offered with discounted energy plans from a certain supplier. They're generally not the best price though, so not exactly a steal

I like the explanation about balancing, how the charger senses frequency changes in the grid and either charges or discharges the car

I think one of the big sticking points is going to be the requirement to be plugged in at certain times. Energy providers are going to need certainty that they have enough capacity in a V2G system to handle any grid events. But car owners want the flexibility to go out in the evening.

It's probably something that's easier for fleet managers to operate since they've got more certainty about their scheduling

I think for homeowners the best bet is around V2H to store and use energy to avoid peak rates. Plus perhaps a FIT to sell electricity back to the grid during peak times

cannco253

https://youtu.be/UZiAJskGdo0

I Take Misha For A Lap Of The Nürburgring And Discuss The Challenges Of EVs On Track!

Out of Spec Reviews

Great drive, decent chat. Amazing that only Tesla has a supercharger on site at the moment.

Has anyone ever gone around Modello? I guess J14 or Ionity aren't too far away.

AndyBoBandy

Mondello has around 4 Type 2 AC chargers

Bandana boy

Was planning on going EV early 2022 , test drove the Ioniq 5 yesterday and really really liked it , Waiting on the Kia EV6 to test drive before pulling the trigger but started to think and might have talked myself out of an EV till 23-24

Here are my thoughts, am I right with this logic ?

There is always a substantial depreciation hit in a new car , and you do not shop new if you cannot live with this but I Was thinking the chip shortage has to be driving current prices up , how much of the car value will disappear when the chip shortage solves itself.

Are we going to see an extra 4-5K erosion in the second hand value once that is sorted (current estimates is late 2023)?

Battery technology is getting better and cheaper every year , How much value will you lose with newer cars having cheaper batteries ?

So are you not only taking the standard depreciation each year in a car but getting hit with these two other factors , with that in mind would you be

a)Taking a huge (bigger than normal ) depreciation hit buying in 2022.

and

b)Are we going to see great value* in second hand market in 2024 ?

garo

I doubt it. EV supply won't keep up with demand until 2025 at the very least. As more people see how convenient and easy to run EVs are, adoption is going to sky rocket. Until now EVs have held up their value pretty well. Also you gotta put that theoretical 4-5k you want to save by waiting two years against the money you will save by running an EV instead of an ICE. If you drive 20k km a year you would probably save most of that that on fuel costs in 2 years.

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117987184#Comment_117987184

Depreciation is typically 20% in year one, 10% following years. However when you go to sell supply and demand dictates price. Grants towards EVs are already being reduced. If you buy a newer model EV with a 50kW+ battery then it won't be obsolete on selling and it may hold value better than petrol. Buying a 1 year old EV is less depreciation risk although supply of EVs was seriously restricted for years due to various reasons, lack of batteries and suppliers limiting production and some making zero EVs kept supply low.

They reckon 70kWh will be the norm for battery size in bigger cars, while the cost of the battery is dropping, the cost of cars may go up with grants dropping and manufacturers pushing big SUV models. The Tesla model Y is not on sale yet, that will increase supply and competition.

If you do a commute of 100km+ per day it makes financial sense to switch to small EV asap, half price tolls will be taken away in a year or two. I am saving 80% compared to petrol fuel costs.

All that said public charging when beyond EV range is a disaster, only about 1/4 enough 50kW chargers at they are often busy, blocked or broken leading to 1+ hour queues at busy spots at peak times. Make sure you get an Ev that avoids public charging for 90% of your daily trips and that there are lots of chargers where you plan on going on longer trips. Northern Ireland is a total disaster with eniskillens only 50kw charger broken more than a year. Download plugshare app and filter by CCS and look at user reviews on the chargers. It's shocking. I kept a petrol car for longer trips. A classic car for longer trips is ideal.

cannco253

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/energy-and-resources/maxol-faces-90m-bill-for-installing-rapid-ev-chargers-ceo-1.4693157

"Mr Donaldson said Maxol was currently trialing rapid chargers – ranging from 80 to 175 kilowatts – from different manufacturers at a location in Northern Ireland with a view to begin rolling them out between 2023 and 2025."

MightyMunster

Second hand Model 3 for example is only losing around 5% in the first year.

Grants and incentives have been in decline the last few years and can't see that being reversed.

As mentioned earlier you will be saving a a lot on running costs if you have home charging and do decent mileage.

Regarding the charging, Tesla have a big advantage here with their own dedicated and reliable network. Park, plug in and walk away. Less than 30seconds compared to faffing around with apps, chargers not working etc.. Depending on where you drive mightn't be much use to you. Most of the country will be covered by the spring (except South East, and North West).

The advice is just do it you won't regret it 😁

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117988979#Comment_117988979

This is the maxol site with chargers in NI

https://www.plugshare.com/location/318776

Note the fees for grid connections in NI were much higher, if a site grid update is needed. There was talk of changing this.

innrain

Fastned released some financial data ref Q3 2021. Can we send this to ecars?

Over the course of Q3 2021, Fastned added 21 stations to its network, bringing the total to 164 charging stations in 5 countries.

A total of 78 additional ultra fast DC chargers were installed during the third quarter, as part of new station construction as well as upgrading existing stations, bringing the total number of chargers in the network to 622. The average number of chargers per station reached 3.8, vs. 3.5 by year-end 2020.

The whole ecars DC network in 3 months. This one seems quite interesting.

Utilisation during the third quarter of 2021 was 7.9% vs. 7.2% the previous year

One of the reasons for low utilization in spite of doubling the activity is the increase in number of chargers per station. Anyway it seems they are happy enough with 2h a day utilization per charger. I need to look at ecars-stats but I'm pretty sure that is way more for ecars.