Joe Rogan downplays the need for a vaccination and gets covid

You said some of his followers will die because he didn't take the vaccine. That's wild. I told you that hes telling people to get the vaccine...but looks like you're having trouble accepting that and want to spout shìte anyway.

It's a sad world when people are listening to an idiot like Joe Rogan.

The problem with the US is "personal freedom to choose" overrides every other consideration. Which is why someone like Rogan, who is pretty level headed on a number of topics, still can't resist making the simple process of getting vaccinated against a deadly virus, into a thing.

If a cure for cancer was discovered and the US govt passed a law making it mandatory to go into your town hall to get a jab which would prevent you from ever getting the disease, they'd be a huge backlash from people who want the right to choose to get cancer and die from it in the future. The country is just beyond parody at this point.

It's very interesting watching prominent Republican politicians in the States go so hard on this anti-mask, anti-lockdown, pro-choice (towards getting the vaccine) stance. Sure, it may play well for them in the short term, but this just goes to show how short-sighted the whole power game is. Do they not realise that the people more likely to listen to this type of messaging are their own voters? And therefore those would be the ones who could be killed or otherwise incapacitated in greater number? And, perhaps most important for the career politician, would lose them votes and maybe therefore elections?

Broadly speaking, in Europe and certainly in regards to Ireland, there is still a functioning social contract between the citizen and state. In America, decades of decimating the working class and overloading the middle class in debt has led to a breakdown of citizen's trust that the state actually works for their interests. This, married to the whole American exceptionalism and "muh freedoms" mythology, means the US is screwed when it comes to society functioning for a common good.

Even take the "big bad state" angle out of. In Ireland, the vast vast majority will get a vaccination simply because of common sense which is something that the yanks can't even muster these days.

I think it's gas that its largely the same "my body my choice" people who are now the ones trying to dictate what drugs other people should put into their body, and also the same sort of people who said a bakery can't not make a cake for a gay couple, say that same bakery can now exclude people on the health grounds.

I honestly don't care that I can't sit in restaurants, I was collecting a take away yesterday(masked), watching all the "vaccinated" crammed into the restaurant and pub with no masks, oblivious to the fact that that's where the virus is spreading, not the unvaccinated sitting outside in the fresh air. Calling people who don't agree with you on vaccines covidiots, is childish, especially in the face of all the data coming out of Israel, showing that the vaccines really do very little in preventing the spread of the virus. Were you aware of that when you got it? Did you know it would drop to 16% efficacy against high viral load infections after 9 months? Or did you think it would work really well and you just turned out to be wrong? Could you even be wrong about other things vaccine related? Is it possible that since bars, restaurants, concerts are open to vaccinated only, that the vaccinated will actually be more likely to spread covid than the "covidiots"? I guess we'll see. Just the ponderings of an idiot, who has a 1 in 71429 chance of not being around to find out if he was right. Assuming of course I don't die doing one of the many more dangerous things I regularly do, like driving 1 in 107 chance.

qcovid.org/Calculation

So what's the point of the vaccine apart from making the companies who produce them sensationally profitable?

Yeah and as bad as this rabid individualism is, there's an argument that in a different time, one free of misinformation fueled social media and full bore propaganda in the form of corporate media, the Yanks could probably have got their shít together during this pandemic, in the same way the country sang from one hymn sheet in the 40's for the war effort.

I'd place a large bet that if fascism was to overpower Europe again in the near to medium term, the American's might well find themselves siding with the fascists instead of waging war on them, such in the complete breakdown of people's idea of an objective truth.

Now who’s gaslighting.