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No Time to Die **Spoilers from post #1449 onward**

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    An interview with Craig popped up, so I guess the revised press junkets are starting up again. The actor reaffirmed his decision this would be his last bond film...

    https://www.gamesradar.com/no-time-to-die-daniel-craig-interview-james-bond-25/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,498 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The world premiere is confirmed to take place at the Royal Albert Hall in London on September 28th



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I wasn't aware it has been a rumour, perhaps enflamed by Amazon's purchase of MGM, but in an interview with producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G Wilson, they confirmed there are definitely plans to make a Bond TV show.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    A final trailer, confident that this time, the film will come out in cinemas:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    This video is unavailable.

    😂

    Edit: See if this works.




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Huh. Weird. It was definitely working & an official channel too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Excellent trailer, hopefully the film is as good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    That trailer only served to remind me how excited I was for CR and how completely indifferent I am to this. I'm honestly looking forward to the inevitable reboot with a new actor.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Same. Too many delays (obviously not the fault of the film!), too much nonsense with the directors. The Craig era only intermittently realising the promise once suggested with Casino Royale.

    And while I know there was another thread about it, and it's bound to be a suggestion that'll attract the predictable reaction but ... Dev Patel for the new Bond. He's a touch on the young side at 31, but the guy oozes swagger and charisma; while he has grown into a striking fella. And having already played two iconic English cultural characters with David Copperfield & Sir Gawain - he may as well go for the hat-trick 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    I keep thinking about the line at the end of the trailer "If we don't do this, there will be nothing left to save" and maybe I'm just looking for things to nitpick but it doesn't sound very Bondian, it sounds like something you'd hear in a Marvel movie.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Hmmm. I dunno.

    An evil villain with a grand plan involving global peril seems very Bondian to me, if we look beyond the most recent fare..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    Actually, female thespians prefer to be called actors!



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Absolutely, I agree, Bond is renowned for saving the world but I can't think of any other examples where the characters of James Bond has had enough self awareness to know or comment on the fact that he's saving the world ... If that makes sense. I think since Skyfall the Bond films struggled tonally to find a balance between dark and gritty while the plots have returned to the more classic and silly villain trying to take over the world.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It is, fundamentally, just a very trite, if not just shíte piece of writing TBH. Not that Bond films were ever a source of dialogue to give the Sorkins or Mamets of the world pause, but that trailer line is especially pompously glib in the manner of the time we live in.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    In my old age I aspire to give the benefit of the doubt more freely.

    Perhaps in the context of the movie/scene, it is a killer line. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,072 ✭✭✭OU812


    We don’t know the peril yet, but it foreshadows great danger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Final International Trailer

    I preferred the one yesterday, this one looks very hammy.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,268 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Way too big a name I'd have thought...

    Really hope the next actor gets a proper reboot - do his movies as period pieces set back in the cold war era.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,072 ✭✭✭OU812


    The first book was written in 1953, at which point he was 36.

    If they’re going to reboot it as a period piece, I’d love to see them examine his military career as well. Have the first one as a non spy caper, pure action military with him then being brought into the secret service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,107 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    they've only really rebooted once (with Craig). Even then they kept the same M, and he's been driving around in Connery era cars in the last couple of movies. Can't see them rebooting every time the actor changes.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Is he though; and would he be any bigger than Craig was at the time he got the role? I'd say their careers are about parallel, taken in terms of "pre Bond". Craig had a very steady career headlining mostly British high-profile films - ditto Patel. Obviously, this is all the height of speculation as Patel may think the Bond role is poison or beyond him.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    It's hard to believe we haven't seen this film already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,072 ✭✭✭OU812


    An earlier Jack Ryan 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,268 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I've been saying for years that I'd love a Bond origin story... we've had all kinds of hints about the young orphan being recruited into MI6, an avuncular/mentor relationship with Desmond Llewelyn's Q etc. that I'd love to see fleshed out in film set in post-war Britain. Honestly can't believe that they've never done it before!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,072 ✭✭✭OU812


    This is something that could exist in a TV series. Would give plenty of time to explore and develop the character & co-exist with the movie series



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Period movies are expensive, and I fear only the older Bond generation really hanker after something that takes us all the way back. They'll give us the DB5 and a Vantage as a nod to the eras, but that's as much as we're getting.

    The Man From Uncle was a really enjoyable dry run at this, but didn't light up the box office.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I don't know that they're expensive, but I'd say the main thing perhaps killing any ideas of a period setting (which I think should be done too, albeit not as a prequel) is the noise from the product placement crowd. The Broccolis are making bank from all the brands wanting to show off their "luxury" tat, available now! To the extent they had reshoots for this, specifically to update the brands - this film has been delayed so long fashion has moved on! Can't have a 1960s Bond movie because Sony wouldn't be able to show off their fancy "new" smartphone.

    As to prequels, eh I dunno. How often do any of these "How did Famous Character X get their hat?" prequels ever work out? And even then, love him or loathe him the character of James Bond is barely that. A suave superspy who beds women; there's literally nothing beyond that except the occasional dead (fridged) wife when they want to add "Depth" 'cos again that's really the only direction they can go in.

    The films can't even pull the standard "our hero goes rogue when he learns his masters are the real villains!" trope seen in other films like Bourne - cos James Bond's template insists the British Government is without blemish. England herself has absorbed the character as a cultural icon, so said icon can't be seen to be pushing back against "England"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,673 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I think its run out of road, ideally they just stop making them.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,107 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Can't have a 60s Bond movie as there are literally 60s Bond movies.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Of course, but we have plenty of 80s movies & nostalgia for that era has produced a lot of film & TV blatantly apeing it 😀 Bond has got by with big swings - as seen with Casino Royale itself TBH, when it made a successful attempt to rebadge the franchise as a story of a thug, moulded into a gentleman spy by way of obvious cribbing from the Bourne playbook. What's the next big swing then? There's already a resting love for the 1960s aesthetic and era, even if the white heat of Mad Man has lessened a little. So why not embrace that, go back to basics.

    As I said, even if it was something considered by the producing team, the many brands who pay them the big bucks would quickly say no. Bar maybe the fashion brands who could have some fun with retro-themed clothing.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    7up and British Airways would be well up for it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,673 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Bond: Origins , it writes itself. If they actually came up with a 3 part set of films starting in ww2 and rolling forward I would certainly be interested.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,107 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Maybe go the other way. Bond set in the future!

    Bond Max.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,107 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Bond time travels in a modified Aston Martin - "Bond to the Future"



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    I dunno they've tried to do the Bond origins with Craig, CR we saw how he became a double 0 and then as the films have progressed they've tried to tie all the villains to Bond personally with Blofeld being his half brother and the mother relationship with M that even went back to his ancestral home, Craig's Bond is no longer Bond but a Harry Potter-esque chosen one which is why the "there'll be nothing left to save" line irks me. To the audience Bond is saving the world but in Bond's eyes he's just doing his job, for queen and country etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,107 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    it would be a novelty to see Bond sent on, and complete, a mission that didn't involve a personal grudge or him going rogue. You know, just doing his job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    I havent been a fan of the Retconning in the Craig films, they seem to be making it up as they go along from film to film.

    I wouldnt trust them to do a good job with an Origins story.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Oh they definitely have! Silva was supposed to be a standalone villain and a step away from the organised crime syndicate but then Blofeld implies that he orchestrated that too. I think even the Aston Martin in Skyfall they say is Bond's personal car but then in Spectre Q quips that he told Bond not to scratch it and I see he will somehow have it back again in NTTD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,984 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Yeah, would agree with a lot of this, particularly as a film idea, it doesn't make sense for them now. Could work on a smaller more intimate scale for TV though, and could be very interesting... Just on the period thing - it really does bump the cost way up on top of whatever else you're doing. Every street has to be dressed accordingly. Every car in the background has to be period. Every costume - even extras - bespoke, instead of stuff the costumers can pick up from target or walmart in bulk. For the scale Bond movies work on, and the sheer range of scenes and locations used, that gets really expensive. Now, a Bond movie makes a lot of money, so could afford it, but it's just another reason not to do it for a feature. (Another reason TV makes more sense with a reduced scale with better longer form storytelling, leaning more towards espionage and character building than extravagant scenes and action.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,886 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    A live action James Bond Jr. spin off series is bound to happen at some time.



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    People ask what direction will the bond movies go in next? Well Bond movies have always just copied whatever is flavour of the month at the moment



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    I think having Craig driving around in Sean Connery's car from 60 years ago 3 movies in a row looks ridiculous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Will Craig actually get some proper fitting suits in the new film.

    Tight suits are going out of fashion it seems, baggy jeans are back too.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Finally, something I can agree on with MisterAnarchy. The fashion of suits looking like you bought 2 sizes smaller has been weird, making the wearer look stupid, and Craig even more like a thug in dress-up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    We agree on more than you think Pixelburp.😉

    Tom Ford who supplied the suits in the last few films generally prefers a suit with more classic proportions.

    Ford is also fond of a very close fit, but he prefers his suits to follow the shape of the body rather than fight against it like Craig’s suits do so I'm not sure why Craig wears tight suits.

    Seemingly the fashion industry has been pushing this shrunken suit trend for quite a while.

    Current trends in suits save money in many ways compared to the way suits are traditionally tailored. The shrunken trend saves manufacturers money, who can sell a 6-foot tall man a suit that is traditionally long enough for a man no taller than 5’8″. These trends save money for suit shops, who might no longer feel the need to employ a tailor on premises because they can sell a man a ‘slim fit’ suit that already has waist suppression instead of using a tailor to fit a suit perfectly to the customer’s body. These trends save customers money for not having to worry about paying to alter the ‘slim fit’ suit that they purchased.

    The kind of rumpled fit that Daniel Craig wears is far easier to tailor than clothes that hug the body. It takes less effort to not smooth out the rumples. And if people can be convinced to aspire to this, they can be happy with a poorly fitting suit and demand less of the shops where they purchase their suits.

    I also think Craig could do with a new barber. He looks better with longer hair , I know the tight cut is meant to make him look harder but it isnt in keeping with the part, he sticks out with the buzz cut and poor fitting suits.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I hate the tight clothes thing they've insisted on.

    Craigs snow-wear in Spectre was as bad as his suits.

    They don't have to go Full Moore however. 😆




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