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DUBLIN IS TOTALLY UNLIVABLE **Mod Warning In Post #671**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    What are we talking about? For an urgent procedure to remove a polyp, I had to return to my country. Here it was performed only by private hospitals, and the least expensive asked me for 5,000 euros; in my country I did it for free at the public hospital.

    Not to mention the creches; no support at all from the State. I can prove to you that they cost four or five times as much as in Spain. Eventually I gave up and got an au pair.

    I don't understand the reason for denying the evidence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    No denying any evidence here. I had a similar procedure done within two weeks in a public hospital, so no, its not only available in a private hospital.

    The state does support pre-school years with the ECCE scheme, it's available for all children for two years whether they are attending a private or state funded creche/nursery.

    This IT article has some interesting information about creches in Spain. Also info about the salaries that are paying those fees. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/childcare-the-european-experience-1.3618057



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    Soooooooo....

    I've been home a week now, first time since September of 2020 and have been in and out of the city several times, early morning, during the day, in the evening. Today I did a massive loop around various bits of the city centre, top to bottom, docklands to Parkgate Street, Aungier Street to Parnell Street. Hell, I even went along the boardwalk.

    I read this thread before coming back and honestly was wondering what I was coming back to. Could it really have gotton so tragically bad? Should I have armed myself a-la Charles Bronson in a numerically unspecified "Death Wish: Dublin" sequel?

    I'm not doubting people's lived experience, and will readily recognise some of the issues noted here as being very real and requiring action, but I honestly think some of it might be a touch overblown. Just a touch. It's not exactly downtown Caracas out there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    I don’t know what you are talking about. You’re just posting unrelated links


    -Urgent Procedure for Hysteroscopy, only private could perform that in one month at 5.000 euros. A public hospital asked me to wait at least 5 months. 


    -I had now to subscribe to a Healthcare Provider. Actually, I have already changed two providers; I spend money and services are very low level 


    -I am very familiar with how useful can the ECCE Scheme be (sarcasm), no worries. I only know that I could not afford the creche for two children (and my income is not low at all)




  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Ashida


    You can't even judge a neighborhood in a week, and I assure you that Caracas is a very livable city, so I don't understand the reference. I think it all depends on personal standards; I have been the victim of assaults twice in three years. And for me it is very serious and made me decide I want to change country



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭bdmc16


    Exactly I’m not fan of Dublin having lived there for years. There’s definitely issues but seem ridiculously overblown



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    I agree that some issues seem overblown. Lots of people dont like Dublin but many more think its great even though it has issues. I lived in other countries and while they were fine, they didn't suit me for the long term. Its a bit like different employers, some suit, some don't. At the end of the day if a person is very unhappy with their job or where they live, it's probably a good idea to reassess the situation - living with any level of stress that can be avoided is better for mental health and general wellbeing imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Dublin is too big in my opinion to have a council that deals only with small nonsense and lacks a common vision for the city. Towns just about get away with it because population density is that much lower. Galway is planning mess however it's easier to get things done as recent pedestrianisation showed. I think local government structures in Ireland are the problem for Dublin, you need councils and mayors that will be voted in on their programme and held accountable for that. Now it just seems to be a nursery for wannabe td's and ideological purists with no interest in how city develops.

    Just to add, I don't think Dublin has major issues around crime, there are some societal consequences of Covid and lockdowns. Do gooder organisations also can do more damage than good because they all deal with social issues in their own way. It's madness to hand out tents and sleeping bags if hostels have space. Problem is that Dublin is just a bit grubby and dirty and it seems people are afraid to deal with that so they won't be accused of victimising vulnerable.

    Traffic and lack of cycling and pedestrian infrastructure are main problems.

    Post edited by meeeeh on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Caracas a livable city, gimme a f*cking break lol



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Ashida


    I think it's very disrespectful what you wrote; I have lived many years there and I still have my own family there so I know what I am saying. Of course, if you isolate a few months of 2017 and read US-influenced mass media, I cannot do anything about it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The injection centre wouldn't have helped in the slightest, it just would've served as another degenerate magnet in the city.

    All drug services should be moved out of the city, along with the addicts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I used to think the same, but they've as much right to be there as we do. You think addicts are degenerates? That's pretty disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I'm not even going to entertain this bullsh*t. Caracas/Venezuela is one of the most dangerous places in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Drug addicts who land on street are not the only ones that keep drug dealers in business. I suspect it's middle class coke habit that makes more money for drug lords. Addicts will always gravitate to big city centres, there isn't much you can do about that. Calling them degenerates and removing facilities from them won't change situation one bit. There is probably an argument that decent facilities will improve situation. And as facilities I mean hostels, injection centres, health facilities, detox beds not another group handing out tents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    heroin doesn't come from South America, it isn't cocaine addicts you see hanging around clinics in town. Also it's not really consciously participating, it's an illness, do you really think they want to live that sorry existence? Try and put yourself in their shoes, nearly all of them are from absolutely horrible backgrounds and never had a chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Show me a place or city where street drug issues have been solved.

    There are numerous supports, charities, State agencies, methadone clinics around Dublin that would surely substantially reduce the number of drug addicts scoring in the streets. But it never happens. I often wonder why. But it is self perpetuating. If the problem is solved, there is not so much need for all the charities anymore.

    It is akin to homelessness. There are a multitude of State supports available via the numerous homeless charities, yet more and more tents appear on the streets every day.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I see both perspectives. There is a problem with lack of policing in significant sections of the inner city, and beyond, for sure. Easy to dismiss that if you live in a nice area, but what if you can only afford the not so nice parts of e.g. Dublin 1, 3, 8...

    "Dublin is totally unlivable" is too over the top though. The title is probably what's causing the ridicule. Plus the pop psychology about "the Irish" and an apparent ability to read minds - by other Irish people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    I work with homeless addicts in the city centre , they need an injection facility, a plan to detox off methadone both in the community and residential and lots of beds for treatment, health provision is ok however addiction and mental need to be looked at together.

    There is specialist medical/dental facilities along with some amazing professionals i.e wound dressing nurses , mental health nurses and so on.

    Let's not worry about the name calling and the idiotic suggestions about addicts and their supports from the city.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I watched a programme about a guy who became homeless as a child because of severe abuse in the squalid, freezing home. He ended up on heroin. I can completely understand someone in his situation turning to it for escape.

    Some people's circumstances are unfathomably horrific, and it's easy for those in comfortable circumstances to judge that which they don't know.

    But then there are others who haven't experienced hardship and just stupidly start using.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    I love the City, it is my City but I don't live here anymore.

    I've recently been home for the first time in 18 Months and visited the City Centre on Thursday.

    I understand the drugs and homeless problem, it has always been there - but I couldn't deal with the smell of piss in so many places from my walk from Jervis Street to Grafton Street. The Liffey smells nice in comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Seriously man, heroin is no longer widely used, you really haven't a clue what you're talking about. Anyway it sounds like you have no sympathy for people from difficult circumstances, you should try and imagine what it's like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You could say this about any vein of criminality.

    heroin = bad shît.

    its taught to you, you see it on a daily basis, in person, on the streets, on tv.... there is no lack of education, examples... there is no ambiguity or cloaking of the dangers of heroin... it’s been transparent for decades.

    if somebody says “hey, you should try this. ! “ quite simply you’ve been informed ad nauseam that it’s bad shît.... saw examples how it will fûck you up to the point of anything from making you very ill, seriously ill, to dead.. so you want to avail of those choices, people need to be responsible for their choices in life. Like any of us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,528 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    The biggest influence of drugs going into the inner city areas of Dublin had all kicked off when the old crime boss Larry Dunne had the brought in Heroin into Dublin in the 1980's. There was a documentary about this story on RTÉ One some nights ago. It is the main reason why the visitors who are coming into this city are seeing all of these addicts at the moment who are not able to wield themselves off these drugs in the first place. The supplies of Heroin into Dublin at that time had both created a cycle of generational poverty & perpetual misery being thrown into this community of formerly known innocent Dubliners who probably would never have predicted beforehand that it was going to create such a huge waste of potential among it's own inhabitants.

    Heroin in Inner City Dublin effectively created a two-tier society within that small community of harmless people who were influenced by this crowd of ruthless scumbags who went to these people by offering this drug to their own community & who have now reaped the long-term effects of their misery by giving it to them.

    It's probably the biggest reason why we are seeing all of the anti-social behaviour along with the teenage gangs in Dublin City as it's still largely in a mess because of the Covid lockdown. We as a society are trying to mend that situation as best we can with all of the preventable measures that are there at the moment to fight off this horrible addiction to this drug & other drugs that are out there circulating around the city before Covid came in to wreak havoc in the city. The big question that we need to ask at this time is; are we doing a good job as a society in trying to tackle the circulation of drugs up to now around the Inner city areas?

    Do we need more enhanced measures in place to try & fight off the drugs out of these people's hands in a much quicker way?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Addiction is an illness truth. But the choices that lead to being an addict are conscious choices, so they end up consciously participating...

    lots of people who have difficult starts in life, but are determined to go down different paths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭jmlad2020


    Give the Gardai more powers to rid these Vermin from walking the streets of Dublin.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't get how people think dublin is a good place to live, its an overpriced kip.

    There is at least 500 better places in Ireland to live.

    I think Dubliners forget as well we are not living in the US, its very easy to drive up to get to a concert or a match.

    Most of the office jobs are up there i give them that but with remote working now becoming the norm and only having to be on site two-three days a week why would you live there.

    Scumbag ridden, ugly city, junkie town, overpriced kip.

    Spending 400K on a semi d when you would get a huge bungalow with a massive garden for the same price outside of dublin. Probably here your neighbor's taking a dump in the semi d



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    You do realise a lot of addicts smoke heroin off foil not all are IV users and that an addict solely using crack is unusual, most are polysubstance users.

    Heroin is not declining in any significant amount among homeless people, crack use is increasing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yes I know a heroin addict and he would just do crack at the weekends on top of everything else. Poor guy is barely hanging on these days, they're all totally strung out on benzos too which are supposed to be harder to get off than H.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    While you're cup there on your box or ivory tower , tell us how you'd tackle the problem.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    https://discoverymood.com › blog

    The Truth About Polysubstance Abuse - Discovery Mood ...

    Seeing as you've just heard of polysubstance use , here's a little reading for you.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ach now, I acknowledged the people who stupidly use, but some cases are more deserving of empathy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    More Gardai , 100% . There's some pretty good city centre Gardai with great empathy towards homeless.

    Littering -huge fine and community service.

    It was a joke a few years ago with people getting disability allowance , nowadays it's a much more tighter run ship.

    State will never build widescale social housing again.It creates a sense of entitlement i.e. " I want social housing because my grandparents , mother , sister all had it "


    Nope , let's try and avoid ghettos , you create intergenerational deprivation and poverty , very difficult to address.


    Mandatory what.. I take it you mean community service of some description , absolutely and relate to your DSP payment.

    No idea what your last point is , but more detox beds , psychiatric support , suitable accommodation etc.


    I'll leave the cartel videos to yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    Here we are again, close to my apartment, all usual racially-motivated reasons. I AM SICK OF ALL THIS RACISM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    lol you should stop looking at Dublin Live, that article is all a result of someone's Tweet. You'll drive yourself crazy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Almost as fantastical as your suggestion to force people to watch Mexican cartel videos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,872 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Look, Dublin Live is a joke. If you're relying on that & FB as a reference to what goes on in your capital you're loosing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,872 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Calm down. You're almost as hysterical as the news stories. Stop panicking and read below.

    This is how it is. Dublin is a safe city but it's been badly affected by the pandemic. Tax payers money and our property tax is flooding out of the city to improve other parts of the country. Stop typing yourself in to hysteria on Internet forums and lobby your local politicians to improve the city & to retain the property tax. Lobby them for the metro & transport police that's badly needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Calm down ? At this stage, it's beginning to look like the Army Ranger Wing are going to be needed for an evacuation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Bookmarklet


    Here's another day in the safe city centre... No one was detained or arrested for it either.

    "An Indian student who temporarily lost her sight after she was attacked in Dublin had planned to settle in Ireland, but no longer feels safe to stay.

    Anjali Sharma (24) was leaving St Stephen’s Green with her friend, Jhankrut Priyadarshi, also a 24-year-old student, when they were set upon by a gang of around eight teenage boys and girls.

    Mr Priyadarshi was punched repeatedly from behind, while Ms Sharma had a full can of drink thrown at her eyes, leading her to temporarily lose her sight.

    “A girl in a pink dress was shouting, ‘spoil her face’,” the Griffith College student said. “Someone threw the can at me and I was in so much pain.” She couldn’t see as a result of the force of the impact and started screaming for help. A doctor later explained she had suffered retinal bruising.

    “The gang ran away after that,” she said. “My friend was cut inside his mouth on his gums, and his lips were swollen from the punches."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Grim, it will probably dis-improve before it gets better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Liam32123


    This is the same shop where, in January, I had personally witnessed dozen of local teenagers entering and assaulting the owners with pieces of steel from their bike seats (which they had hidden under their sleeves). Obviously this other episode of racism will not end up, like the rest, in any statistics



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Ashida


    In this forum nobody understands that terrible life that many of us foreigners have to face here



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Bookmarklet


    St Stephen's Green strikes again. Is anywhere safe to walk in the city?

    "About an hour ago (5 ish today[Sunday 29/8]) saw two of Dublin's finest young scrotes decide to shoot a firework from outside the park at a woman and her two greyhounds. Also 3 other smaller dogs in the area, let alone a large amount of passeres by."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    Having a nice coffee by the courtyard in Beacon South quater , when I hear a woman arguing and crying. She was being confronted by a junkie looking for presumably her owed money.


    Then said junkie came around the corner and started shouting into the intercom of an apartment block "gimme my foocin munny yur a lier" screaming at the top of her voice.


    Just outside the imaginosity museum sat midday. Kids standing watching in fear.

    Nowhere in Dublin escapes the scum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,528 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Well @HerrKapitan; that part of Dublin is quite near to places like Killcross & Ballyogan. I wouldn't be surprised in hearing that any of those people were from there if those sort of scenes was going on in Sandyford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The government does have an issue here because you'd have to ask is the city a viable proposition atm for visitors/tourism?

    Aside from some places on the southside it isn't really.

    They'll have to do something to try and clean it up and drive these mostly loitering gangs of youths out.

    Schools reopening may help to some extent but won't solve the weekend issues.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Genuinely curious to understand what exactly you think the word woke means



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