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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Perhaps I'm missing something but NPHET never, ever said empty hospital's, these were Hospital management /HSE/Clinical decisions.

    I broke my leg in the middle of this, brought by ambulance to an empty and I'm not exaggerating, empty Midlands hospital, patched up, practically thrown out onto an empty car park whilst on crutches to get a taxi home (none actually available), then had to wait two days and make my way up to an empty Private hospital in Dublin for the consultant (based at the Midlands hospital) to operate), whilst thankfull for the care, it was the HSE that made these decisions, not NPHET.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    My point is the system survived through the various surge plans initiated. As for IT, well two years is no time in implementations, especially in a place like the HSE with enormous numbers of devices. I'd cut Paul Reid some slack as he only started on April 2 2019 and nine months later we were catapulted into this. What he does from now on though deserves a lot more scrutiny. IIRC he has been pushing for a lot more money but the means addressing the waste that is there first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    I’m aware, I was in hospital. It was empty, staff just hanging around, no masks or much care for social distancing back in 2020 either. Keeping services and screening up and running should have been a priority.

    The cyberattack was later, no excuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Shush now.. that's not an emergency at all.

    Waiting lists keep private hospitals in business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I'd prefer for them to be dragged in front of an independent inquiry but **** off back to their holes is an acceptable alternative for now.

    Yes they will crawl back to their mismanagement of the HSE but at least it is harder for them to direct public policy from those positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,650 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Basketcase? Lol. You know the same thing will happen everywhere, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    How would you describe what's going on over there, its just bizzare. It would seem over 40% don't get Vacinnes or for that matter Covid-19 actually exists. I'm being generous when I say Basket Case 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No, boosters being required does not indicate more vaccine is required to have “some” protection, it indicates a boost is required to the immune system to have the maximum level in those vulnerable to serious illness.

    You were caught out making unsupported claims and are now flailing wildly searching for a bit of credibility. If you believe the study you have referred to supports you conclusion why don’t you show us where this is stated or implied within the study?

    Here is a link to Spector himself and two other scientists with different views on the same data. Spector was expressing an opinion. His opinion is at odds with others. Unlike some he is open to hearing others opinions and not certain in his own


    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    NPHET disappear for a month or two. Cases skyrocket around December. Media calls for NPHET to return. Tony gets his comeback ceremony with brand spanking new restrictions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,255 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Today's a good day but won't believe it til I see it

    Would be amazing in November when things are back to 2019 normal not this 'new normal'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭aziz


    To be replaced by the WRTCN

    We Run The Country Now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 388 ✭✭head82


    I'm actually quite shocked at the announcement of NPHET's disbandonment. Delighted! But shocked nonetheless.

    If I had woke up this morning and read a coup had taken place and Tony and his buddies had overthrown the government.. I wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

    It's almost as if it's an official announcement that Covid is over (I know that's never likely to be the case but it just feels like that) such is the power NPHET has held over this country for the past 18 months.

    Probably most shocking of all is that our political leaders have made an independent decision.. and a positive decision at that.. without dithering and dothering and talk of reviews, "lets wait and see" etc.

    Or maybe I'm not awake yet and it's all just a pleasant dream!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭3d4life


    Tony must be retired* pronto and replaced by someone who lives in the 21st centuary


    • - regardless of cost


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,856 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    You'll probably end up going to about 40 gigs to make up for these eighteen months. 😝

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Not so great, 1997 new cases today with Ireland designated as a dark red as far as the ECDC are concerned.

    I still remain baffled with these numbers, take aside when NO ONE was Vacinated, particularly the young and other varients whilst not as transmissible, they still were, how is it with such a high percentage of the population including younger cohorts that numbers are so high. I've see no explanation that answers this perplexing question fully.

    Meanwhile on the RTE news last night, it said, 79% fully vacinated, Paul Reid saying 88% today, the professor in charge of the roll out saying 90% my late September, Which is it 🤔 almost as bewildering as the daily case numbers.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,581 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    He didn`t become a sanctimonious git overnight. He was always one. He probably does consider himself elite but in reality he is just a journeyman journalist.

    As remarked earlier golf would be somewhat different in that little or none of the crowd would be in stands. No disrespect to the game of rugby. Nowadays there is very little elitism in the game at any level, but there is a bit of a rump of supports who appear to believe in their own heads, like Kenny, they are elite so perhaps there would have been less of the long look down the nose if it had been rugby rather than the GAA.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Tony Holohan still believing that his message of “continuing to adhere and follow to the public health advice” will get traction with the public.

    He may mean well but here in the Banner county as one example and in my own town of Ennis, there has been numerous confirmations in the past two weekends including this. Loads of parties and social gatherings here and no one will have “let’s do what Tony tell us to do” in the back or front of their minds.

    it’s the reality of the situation, people and adults don’t like unelected public representatives with high influence and power, lecturing them what to do. That’s why NPHET have lost the dressing room, in this case the Irish public for quite some time now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    'Delta transmissability + relaxed restrictions' is surely the answer.

    Look at Northern Ireland if you want to see our future. (3 times as many cases)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    They need to shutdown those pop up test centres and focus on testing in hospitals now. It's just an incredible waste of money at this stage with so many vaccinated. They served a purpose earlier in the year but now the mass testing centres need to be wound down over the next month.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    People are...tired. We all get it.

    It's not NPHET's fault: their sole mission is the health of the entire population. And that's what their recommendations have been based on. Generally speaking, our pandemic response has been pretty good (look at the fourth wave under way in the US for a comparison) and in line with our EU peers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,581 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Not that it`s any concern of your`s but I do have young adult and nieces and nephews in the same age group as well.

    If these hundreds and thousands of your start their nightlife at 10 pm then that is by choice. Like yourself it seems they have never heard the expression "when needs must" But then if your user name is an indication of your job then I can see where that would not suit.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    Dream on. Its a great excuse to drag on mask and passport restrictions as the group that implemented it will be disbanded, and the HSE can drag it out with the excuse that it wasn't us.


    NPHET will be back to save Christmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    We are at almost 70% of the full population, 85%+ of all over 16s and 90%+ with at least one jab. Not sure how useful those ECDC rates are to policies any more either especially as travel is restricted to green certs or testing. We are all more or less in the home stretch in the EU and from any perspective only hospital cases matter now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Agreed in many respects but not if your a country outside Ireland advising citizens on travel 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,759 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    I wonder is this us quietly reverting to a strategy closer to England's?

    Also very interesting that this NPHET news has come out before Monday's leaks/Tuesday's announcement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I'm half assuming that as we were so locked down for so long, people are making up for lost time and have extra savings so are out more. Also, probably a bit of we could be locked down again so let's get out now when we can sort of thinking too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Fair points but gosh don't mention even whispering, the possibility, even a hint of future lockdown, you'll get bombarded with "mentions" 😁

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    NPHET's sole mission is Covid, they couldn't give a **** about any other health issues.



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