Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

26-08-2021 02:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805395#Comment_117805395

I'm not harping on about him. I mentioned an interview he gave on Newstalk. And I came to conclusion, based on his saying that social distancing and mask-wearing (what he means by 'some level of', I don't know) would need to be maintained, that he believes that the vaccines aren't enough for there to be zero restrictions or mandates.

If it's not 95%, then it will be extremely high. It's already extremely high. If Nolan is saying that social distancing and mask wearing will need to be maintained post-vaccination then how do they ever go? Let's focus on that question. Park Nolan and eradication for a second. When do they go if not post-vaccination? And you're focusing on masks. While worse than social distancing, in my opinion, social distancing being maintained also has massive implications.

You fail to see how it lessens a person's experience of using public transport? It's unnatural, it means people can't converse properly, it's uncomfortable (more of a problem on long journeys), it maintains a level of fear post-vaccination, and it's all just very depressing to imagine as a future.

As for the 'loss of freedoms', the government does control almost every aspect of people's lives. I know what I believe is behind it all, but this isn't the thread for that.

Penfailed · 26-08-2021 03:10PM

@Gortanna "As for the 'loss of freedoms', the government does control almost every aspect of people's lives. I know what I believe is behind it all, but this isn't the thread for that."

Lemme guess, the thread for that is the WEF Great Reset?

26-08-2021 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805396#Comment_117805396

And of the physiology of the average Irish person is different to that around the globe

26-08-2021 03:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117805578#Comment_117805578

They applied for all the semis together. This one was delayed two weeks. There was no request for extended capacity

mariab21 · 26-08-2021 03:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806441#Comment_117806441

I know loi clubs have asked more bigger attendances.

Why are UCD tomorrow night allowed near double the crowd that Bohs are allowed, when Bohs stadium is bigger?

KrustyUCC · 26-08-2021 04:09PM

NPHET in call over vaccinations for over 16s before restrictions eased further

The National Public Health Emergency Team has called for 90% of over 16s to be fully vaccinated before a further widespread easing of restrictions, it is understood.

The criteria is contained in the group's latest letter to the Government containing recommendations on the next stage of the pandemic.

One Government source said there was surprise at the request and that it was a very high threshold.

It is likely to take another six weeks to meet that target.

In the letter, NPHET said that once the threshold is reached, a switch could take place from a focus on regulations to public health advice and personal judgment.

However, it says that masks would still be required for indoor retail and public transport.

NPHET call over vaccinations before restrictions eased (rte.ie)

No way the government will go against NPHET here so they've just bought another 6 weeks minimum with no further easing of restrictions

DarkJager21 · 26-08-2021 04:14PM

Time for the government to actually grow a pair of balls and tell NPHET where to stick that advice.

aziz · 26-08-2021 04:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806677#Comment_117806677

Bollox to that

Ashdublinc13 · 26-08-2021 04:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806677#Comment_117806677

Moving goalposts. A few weeks time what's to stop them announcing when 90% over 12s are vaccinated ? Or when over 90% of vulnerable/ healthcare/everyone else has a booster? This could be dragged out a long time. Will continue to keep an eye on Europe - Denmark due to lift all restrictions soon.

timmyntc · 26-08-2021 04:27PM

Might never get 90% of over 16s - thats a massive ask

Gael23 · 26-08-2021 04:30PM

Trust Tony to knock anything progressive on the head

Ashdublinc13 · 26-08-2021 04:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806771#Comment_117806771

I hope NPHET/ gov have a plan B

Multipass · 26-08-2021 04:39PM

Surprise surprise, off go the goalposts again far into the distance. Hold firm for another 6 weeks.

The last excuse was the 60s age group, they should all be fully vaccinated now. What the F¥<k is going on in this country. Open up now before the shots have worn off, because in 6 weeks time they’ll be telling us to wait until the elderly have completed their boosters.

Its insane, it’s completely ff the wall insane now - I literally cannot stand a minute more of these people.

Gael23 · 26-08-2021 04:44PM

I don’t think they can accept this recommendation given the sound bites given off over the past few days.

Its politics vs science now

DarkJager21 · 26-08-2021 04:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806834#Comment_117806834

Absolutely. It’s time now for the government to put NPHET back in their box and ignore this latest last minute demand (they seem to have a track record of dropping **** like this out of the blue). They are an advisory group and do not run the country - it’s time for the elected government to make a very clear display of that.

muddypuppy · 26-08-2021 04:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806771#Comment_117806771

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1430882871674384392?s=21

We’re already over that for first doses. I don’t have any doubt we’ll get over 90%, in fact I would expect it to happen way before 6 weeks.

What I wonder is what difference 84% or 90% will make, since everyone over 30 or vulnerable has been double jabbed for a good while. But I guess it’s a nice round easy number.

PTH2009 · 26-08-2021 04:54PM

ffs just when I thought things were looking promising NPHET come out with this, 6 more bloody weeks

So what's stopping them changing directions again in 3 weeks time

6 weeks would bring us to mid October with the BH and Halloween festivities near that. Then we have Christmas coming

brickster69 · 26-08-2021 05:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806909#Comment_117806909

That is a new one one "Just a little longer, a meaningful halloween is within reach "

ShadowTech · 26-08-2021 05:01PM

@KrustyUCC

However, it says that masks would still be required for indoor retail and public transport.

This is incredibly depressing. If 90%+ vaccinated is still not enough to get rid of mandatory mask mandates then I guess I have to resign myself to the idea that they’re never going away in Ireland. I'm beginning to wonder if emigrating is really going to be the only path back to normal. I honestly can’t see a light at the end of the damned tunnel.

stephenjmcd · 26-08-2021 05:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806771#Comment_117806771

No it's not and they'll get there well before 6 weeks.

A simple look at the dose 1 stats shows you that.

snowgal · 26-08-2021 05:03PM

I kinda presumed this is exactly what it would be tbh. Didnt lord Tony say just the other day that he thought about 6-8 weeks to remove restrictions. My place of work depends on restrictions being lifted to operate properly and that's what we've based it on after all the talk this week....

foxsake · 26-08-2021 05:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806433#Comment_117806433

apologies I thought this was a discussion based on the restrictions here in ireland on an irish message board.

but i'd be willing to discuss the "numerous" (the word used) young deaths in other countries with similar attributes (like UK or EU country) if you think that'll sway your argument . It wont.

144 deaths "with covid" - not from covid for under 25 in england - out of 19-20million.

your point makes no sense.

stephenjmcd · 26-08-2021 05:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806953#Comment_117806953

What he said was in 6 weeks they expected the vaccine rollout to be at its optimum levels including taking into account the 1-2 weeks after 2nd dose.

After that it's expected to go from legislation to public health guidance, as in personal responsibility

is_that_so · 26-08-2021 05:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806875#Comment_117806875

The only thing that's really holding it up is the required gap between vaccines, 110K is at worst 4 days of MVCs doing their thing and one would imagine the vast bulk of those will be done over the next 2-3 weeks.

stephenjmcd · 26-08-2021 05:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806971#Comment_117806971

Exactly, rough estimates have 90% over 16 done with 2 doses within the first 2 weeks of September

Don't Chute! · 26-08-2021 05:13PM

Lads, we’ve known this for a year and a half now. NPHET cannot and will not let go of the power they have. They are a bunch of absolute cvnts.

brickster69 · 26-08-2021 05:19PM

What % of 16 or 17 year old's have been fully jabbed, or even had the first jab, can't be 90% surely ?

stephenjmcd · 26-08-2021 05:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117807032#Comment_117807032

As of August 18th, 70% registered in the 16-17 group

Total population over 16 which is being referenced here as of today,

93.1% of 16+ have received one dose

84.4% are fully vaccinated

brickster69 · 26-08-2021 05:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117807041#Comment_117807041

That's good, i thought it was every 16 or 17 year old had to be jabbed twice. Would of been a bit extreme that, even Macron would not come up with something like that.

Ah_well. · 26-08-2021 05:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806983#Comment_117806983

But then a further 2 weeks after that for vaccine to take effect ?

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings