Dublin Bus tables conditional pay offer of 12%

What I've seen within 7 years in Ireland and using DB as a passenger: ticket price increases, full buses not stopping, poor routing, poor schedules (shocking how late buses start and early they finish), slow buses, lack of bus priorities. I know most of it isn't in the DB hands and rather the NTA and Gardai, and it's more of the result of the political ignorance and the poor funding. But I also saw drivers with good wages protesting a few years ago asking for more! Now drivers again disturbing the public with further requests! When the time for passengers will come? I'm driving for 5 years already, couldn't wait more then 2 years using a very bad Dublin's PT.

I feel that drivers don't like their job, don't want to put an effort for passengers and purely care about themselves only. I don't see drivers trying to cooperate in order to make the Dublin's PT better.

This is of course just my own biased opinion and I of course respect drivers for their hard work etc. But again, I'm don't like what they do now. I don't see a fairness and I feel drivers are more privileged than the passengers (customers essentially).

Drivers are disturbing the public? How? There has been no industrial action taken, nor has it even been discussed.

Drivers are not requesting more; they want to be left alone with what they have.

I think the drivers should adopt to the changes due to demand and needs from the passengers.

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Bingo !

Ergo it's not drivers jobs to own their favourite routes either.

Bingo .

You haven't answered my question. You allude drivers ARE disturbing the public, not 'might be', not 'will be', not 'may be'. Again, I'm asking how they ARE doing so.

I am calm. There was nothing heightened about any of my reply to you.

Do you need a safe space ?

Fully agreed. So the company should be capable of taking that route away based on scheduling needs.

But that already exists in both Go Ahead and Dublin Bus. Drivers can work multiple routes on a typical day's duty, whether spare or marked in.

Those are sample mon - fri duties for the Donnybrook garages.

247 duties with only 12 having a break of 1hr 45mins or more.

No 4am starts finishing at 2pm. No 5am starts finishing at 2pm.

Depot starts with City finishes have finish in cc but sign off 30mins later in depot.

yes, such a brilliant plan that it would be doomed to fail from the get go, and would have the privates themselves also potentially rethinking, given if they can do it to 1 operator, they can do it to us.

also there isn't going to be competition in dublin, apart from areas of overlapping routes most will have their 1 operator and that is it, its important people understand this.

tendering the contract would be a form of competition but it's ultimately irrelevant to the user seeing as nothing changes for them unless the government pay more money, which they wont unless people make it an election issue.

the likes of first entering won't make any difference seeing as they will be told what to do just like db is now.

This is what I meant - competition through tendering. A pure competition in public transport isn't healthy (as that would be the public money waste due to funding provided to all city service operators) and afaik won't be practised in Ireland. Competition through tendering is a good thing for customers imo: keeps the operators under control (operators will have a contract with certain measures agreed, including a service level and related funding), also, in case 1 operator becomes weak (industrial action would be the biggest concern), that wouldn't freeze the whole city as other operators would work as normal.

Tendering with a few operators (ideally, more than 2) for city services is the best, I think.

I doubt that passengers, especially those who were badly affected by it, so easily forgotten it. I refuse to believe people are so ignorant, even when the problem is personally related to their experience.

I don't much care of the chance how likely the industrial action is now (I know for sure it's extremely unlikely, comparing to the last time). But I care that some, who claim being DB drivers, believe and talk about a possibility of the industrial action if they don't get what they want. It sounds aggressive to me, very pushy and some sort of a disturbance to the passengers as they get to stay alerted.

yes they have.

most people simply rant at the time of the action and then move on once its over.

i follow pt and i have even forgotten when the last time dublin bus went on strike, 2011 i think.

so if someone who is actually interested in the subject as well as being a user can forget, it's definitely safe to say the average person is likely to do so.