Again, lazy, and for one more reason - too lazy to find another job with more suitable hours, if these don't satisfy.
Lazy? You would tell the child of a bus driver that their dad is lazy because he has to be in bed by early evening to be up at 2.30am for work at 4?
Overprivileged? Because he earns the average industrial wage and might have a car less than 10 years old?
Obviously utopia.
dublin bus who are already competitive anyway, will definitely remain so thankfully.
You keep hammering home the delusion widespread among drivers
DB are not competitive by any stretch of the imagination. In fact the biggest problems DB have in terms of achieving competitiveness, are the drivers themselves.
They block timetable improvements, route adjustments, cost savings etc etc etc
I'd wager DB's trials with autonomous buses will accelerate in the coming years.
As a passenger, I look forward to seeing this happen.
Structurally and strategically it makes a huge difference. Any business gets lazy in any industry when there's no SLA, some sort of agreement, contract between the government or there's no competition. I'm generalising as there are differences in the industries. But DB without a tender is basically a company with a bunch of lazy overprivileged drivers. This has to be stopped and balanced out.
September 2016.
Even if people forgot the date, they definitely had horrible troubles to get to and back to work, schools, colleges etc. It was a very selfish action from the drivers. They basically put the whole city on a halt. I remember well I had to drive my colleagues home that day as I felt so bad having troubles to get a taxi.
Just because someone forgets it doesn't make the situation people had to went through any better.
yes they have.
most people simply rant at the time of the action and then move on once its over.
i follow pt and i have even forgotten when the last time dublin bus went on strike, 2011 i think.
so if someone who is actually interested in the subject as well as being a user can forget, it's definitely safe to say the average person is likely to do so.
it makes no difference to customers as they don't benefit from it.
it's just a name change to them if even, the operators are told down to a t and an i how they must operate the service so over all nothing changes.
I doubt that passengers, especially those who were badly affected by it, so easily forgotten it. I refuse to believe people are so ignorant, even when the problem is personally related to their experience.
I don't much care of the chance how likely the industrial action is now (I know for sure it's extremely unlikely, comparing to the last time). But I care that some, who claim being DB drivers, believe and talk about a possibility of the industrial action if they don't get what they want. It sounds aggressive to me, very pushy and some sort of a disturbance to the passengers as they get to stay alerted.
the drivers voting against a deal that would make the service inefficient is not limiting the service, the service being provided by dublin bus is not being limited by anything other then funding and a refusal to implement full pt priority, something any operator will suffer from.
dublin bus won't be able to transition to autonomous buses any quicker then it can as that is not possible, autonomous buses can only happen when they happen and not before.
any new operators will end up implementing similar pay and conditions to db in the end whether they want to or not, so dublin bus who are already competitive anyway, will definitely remain so thankfully.
This is what I meant - competition through tendering. A pure competition in public transport isn't healthy (as that would be the public money waste due to funding provided to all city service operators) and afaik won't be practised in Ireland. Competition through tendering is a good thing for customers imo: keeps the operators under control (operators will have a contract with certain measures agreed, including a service level and related funding), also, in case 1 operator becomes weak (industrial action would be the biggest concern), that wouldn't freeze the whole city as other operators would work as normal.
Tendering with a few operators (ideally, more than 2) for city services is the best, I think.
drivers protesting is no such thing to the public, industrial action hasn't even been mentioned either.
the only people who actually remember past industrial action is a small few on here, most will have long forgotten about it or a small minority will think that industrial action is always ongoing.
yes, such a brilliant plan that it would be doomed to fail from the get go, and would have the privates themselves also potentially rethinking, given if they can do it to 1 operator, they can do it to us.
also there isn't going to be competition in dublin, apart from areas of overlapping routes most will have their 1 operator and that is it, its important people understand this.
tendering the contract would be a form of competition but it's ultimately irrelevant to the user seeing as nothing changes for them unless the government pay more money, which they wont unless people make it an election issue.
the likes of first entering won't make any difference seeing as they will be told what to do just like db is now.
At this stage the service being provided by DB is being limited by the intransigent nature of the drivers.
Short term, DB are going to lose routes due to being uncompetitive.
Long term, DB will have no option but to transition to autonomous buses at a faster pace than originally planned.
Either way, drivers are going to lose their jobs due to the short-sighted nature of their actions.
It's difficult to feel any pity for them.
Both of you, knock it off and remember to focus on the post and not each other.
Let's make this place where alternative viewpoints from either side aren't vilified, but challenged with well constructed, respectful counterpoints, not digs at each other. If you can't manage that, then I would suggest you refrain from posting.
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Drivers protesting is already a disturbance to the public creating a pressure and distrust of the public transport system in Dublin as this is one of the signs the industrial action may happen again. Passengers still remember it from the years back.
Those are sample mon - fri duties for the Donnybrook garages.
247 duties with only 12 having a break of 1hr 45mins or more.
No 4am starts finishing at 2pm. No 5am starts finishing at 2pm.
Depot starts with City finishes have finish in cc but sign off 30mins later in depot.
I get that. And I was thinking why this approach has been taken. I just suppose the NTA doesn't have enough money to make more favourable shifts (let say, 9-11hrs with a 1-2hrs break, 2 drivers per day sharing that 1 same bus, but it would still be a 5 day week). Well, I mean, the NTA doesn't have enough money to pay the operators for them to pay the drivers... I then thought it must be cheaper to squeeze all the juices out of 1 driver to do a lengthy shift. So, probably the funding is the problem. Bus tickets are already overpriced comparing to the other similar size European capitals. There should a flat fare of max 2 Euro. And for the one who pay cash to the drivers I'd make the prices twice higher until finally getting rid of this cash nonsense.
Another thought I have is the NTA may be trying to sabotage the drivers to weaken DB for the coming 2024 tendering. If that's the truth, I like this plan. NTA obviously doesn't want DB to have so many routes in one hands. Rather splitting to at least 3 companies would be less risky and much healthier for a competition. I would be glad to see Arriva or First joining DB and GAI.
But that already exists in both Go Ahead and Dublin Bus. Drivers can work multiple routes on a typical day's duty, whether spare or marked in.
Nothing from you, thanks.
Fully agreed. So the company should be capable of taking that route away based on scheduling needs.
Drivers do not own routes. If a choice of route is on offer, then they're going to pick to suit themselves. Applies to anything in life, really.
I am calm. There was nothing heightened about any of my reply to you.
Do you need a safe space ?
Calm down.
You haven't answered my question. You allude drivers ARE disturbing the public, not 'might be', not 'will be', not 'may be'. Again, I'm asking how they ARE doing so.
Drivers are not schedulers, it's not their job to identify what passengers needs may be. If schedulers cannot meet passenger demand, then the answer is simple: more buses and more drivers are required. That's a government issue, again nothing to do with drivers.
Bingo !
Ergo it's not drivers jobs to own their favourite routes either.
Bingo .
Horse. You were responding to someone else making that statement..why are you asking me about a statement I've never made.
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I think the drivers should adopt to the changes due to demand and needs from the passengers.
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