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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Are you actually going to respond about the issues I raised or just attach some random quote that bears no resemblance to what we are discussing? If you look hard enough you'll find a post from me saying "Conspiracy thread thataway" because I know I've typed it more than once in here. It really depends on what the discussion was about at the time. Y'know...context.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Except it's exactly what he said -

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117765559#Comment_117765559

    Indeed. But specifically social engineering like vaccine passes for indoors, vaccine passports etc were absolutely rubbished and laughed at on here. Even as recently as the end of June anyone who suggested that there would be vaccine passes for indoor dining was scoffed at as a mad lunatic. A week later it was announced and soon became a reality and suddenly the people scoffing at it were engaging in mental gymnastics to try to justify to themselves that this was always going to happen and is a very good idea.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Yeah, but it was the HSE who contracted them. No great logical leap to see why NVRL would be the lead on testing, it's what they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Look I know you got caught out badly there and are smarting a bit from it but you gotta admit it was funny.

    Anyway here's another time you dismissed someone as a conspiracy nut. In this instance they mentioned that lockdowns might go on until we find a vaccine and you know, they weren't far off the mark at all. Also mentioned about the lab leak theory - which is now an accepted explanation and is being actively investigated by WHO among others. You decided they should go to the conspiracy forum though.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Unfortunately, I cannot post links (I am too new) but it looks as though Scotland would like to try to make the covid emergency powers permanent.

    Google:

    'Scottish Government seeks to make many emergency coronavirus powers permanent'


    This news should concern any rational individual.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why is it clearly not going to happen? Those passports are being rolled out across the (particularly Western) world at rapid speed, France requires them or is soon to, everywhere to lead a basic life (with the mask firmly on the face).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Very concerning, but not surprising. I remember reading a few months ago about how they wanted to extend the powers indefinitely.


    “As we enter the recovery phase, we now have a unique opportunity to reimagine how health and social care ..."


    Sounds an awful lot like "The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world" - Klaus Schwab



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Absolutely but someone asked for the link between a certain member of NPHET and the PCR gravy train. NVRL were the go to people to lead this as experts in the field. I'm not suggesting any impropriety at all. But someone like Nolan would always have a preference for PCR as that's what he is used to dealing with.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Now its good news according to queen Stephen that patients get to state preference and the NIAC are saying it's great to MIX and match.


    Advisory group gives go ahead to mixing vaccines (msn.com)


    I'm assuming his off labeling stuff is ok? I mean If I were a pharma company and my vaccine was being boosted by say AZ or Pfizer, I'd have a great alibi should my vaccine be ineffective , wane or even cause adverse side effects of a dangerous nature. AZ did not trial the Pfizer, and same goes to the rest. I have to say, this is unbelievable that GOVT will leave themselves open to all sorts of claims. I would also assume the "use of our vaccine in conjunction with, concurrently, or consecutively to / with another vaccine" would slide of the page.

    This NIAC crowd are having a laugh or else the vaccines are as affective as water in which case it doesn't matter. surely you cannot run these on an ad hoc basis in this way? why have intellectual property, commercial interests and likes if any competitor can throw there's in the mix and what's the point.

    I know many of them work the same way but then so does heartburn tablets and yet it states not to mix them with certain medications.

    it's gone all very desperate.. when Stephen says "this is good news" it's like jimmy Savile putting a fix it badge on you...it's not right!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Are they allowing immunity through prior infection as proof of worthiness now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Now that one is funny! 🤣

    It's a fair cop. Like I said, I've directed people to the conspiracy forum quite a few times. That quote was from April 2020. There's been a lot of water under the bridge since then. The lockdown didn't continue until the vaccines came along but it wasn't far off the mark. Fair play 😁

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well, not related to the original point, but yes.

    Not that most of us will know if we have been exposed once vaccinated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭User1998


    I’d say pubs and restaurants will just take it upon themselves to stop asking for the certificate soon, the chances of letting someone in unvaccinated will be around 1 in 10 very soon. My local has already stopped asking unless it’s busy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    I doubt that will happen en masse. Somebody somewhere will get the hump and report them, rightly or wrongly. Sports club I'm a member of (in the back ar$e of nowhere relatively speaking) has already been inspected/visited.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    I find it hilarious when people say there will be uproar in Ireland. There will be no such thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    I take it someone was quoting me at some point. To clarify,I don’t know if anything inappropriate is going on regarding it, but I’d be of the opinion that CDG’s lab got it because of his influence with the HSE and I’d be very surprised if there was any real tender or oversight in awarding it. I’m not saying there wasn’t, just that I’d be surprised if there was!

    Government reps/civil servants have form in looking after their own and the last 18 months has shown nothing to suggest a change in that!

    we have a simple rule of thumb in my firm (Finance), “if it could be perceived as a conflict, then it’s to be treated as one”. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc…! And that’s my view on the matter!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    This is why I cannot understand how it can be justified as a requirement to do anything in this country. We have no issues at all with uptake.

    I saw last week the The Irish Small and Medium Enterprise association wanted employers to be able to ask employees if they're vaccinated before returning to the office.

    I can't see how it's relevant if you employee 100 people and 10 aren't vaccinated. Or 20 and 2 aren't.

    Don't get me wrong, I think everyone should get vaccinated but at the same time I'm not comfortable with it being a requirement to enter a workplace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    I'd suggest (without knowing, in fairness) that there weren't too many testing facilities in Ireland in early 2020. Who cares if it wasn't put out to tender ? A global pandemic when speed is key is no time to be ticking boxes IMHO. Countries were allegedly stealing other countries PPE from airplanes on the tarmac when this kicked off, rules went out the window. We did what had to be done at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    It’s 2023, all the usual posters are claiming that terminator style lockdown enforcer robots are a conspiracy theory and are never going to happen.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    according to the law society, that is very shaky ground.

    have a butchers yourself anyway, here's the link for all its worth at the rate legislation is pushed thru in this era.


    Covid vaccine Ireland: Staff who refuse the jab cannot be kept out of workplace - Independent.ie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Denmark planning to scrap ALL COVID measures by 1st October, we'll be a while!





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    I was originally pointing out that a member of NPHET has close links with a lab used for PCR testing and awarded a HSE in response to something about PCR being the only pony in town and the lack of desire to use antigen!

    I actually agree with what you said about how he may have gotten it. Personally I don’t care enough to give a sh*t about the way it may have been awarded and if it was awarded in a “jobs for the boys” type manner then it’s one of the lessor instances of that we’ve seen on this island.

    It doesn’t change the fact tho, rightly or wrongly, that a member of the governments sole advisory team who are staunchly against anything other than PCR testing have a high ranking member who's own lab was awarded a government contract for PCR testing! Make of that what you will! Quack quack!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What if it's not about a virus, but rather about control?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    There's no government contract with the NVRL. It's a HSE funded lab run by UCD. It's essentially an arm of the HSE.

    It's been in use for years and wouldn't have needed any contract as it already does a range of tests for the HSE, they'd have been the only ones able to carry out tests initially.

    Enfer would have required a contract with the HSE

    Makes sense to have the person running the lab on NPHET, they're able to report on what's coming through their lab



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fear is the big driver. RTÉ are driving it in Ireland. They have a permanent 'STAY SAFE' message on the screen. They have characters on Fair City going around in masks. They have normalised the abnormal.


    I don't see compliance ever being low in Ireland. It's because of the type of media that exists in Ireland. It would be interesting to see what the media are like in Denmark, where all restrictions are soon to be gone. I wonder did they push for restrictions to be lifted. I believe the media were instrumental in getting rid of masks in the US (since been reintroduced, of course). I remember seeing lots of articles over a number of weeks about mask wearing outside and soon enough came the CDC announcement about masks no longer being required in almost all circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Not only are RTE a disgrace I dont recall any debate on other irish media challenging nphet -they have frightened the sh1t out of people with this nonsence



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,287 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Yep the new roadmap will be ripped up immediately



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