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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,866 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Maybe for the unvaxxed - but I think it will be more a case of them not being allowed to pubs than stay at home orders

    There will be way too much pushback if they try to reintroduce restrictions for the vaccinated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,866 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    So dividing between tested and untested will result in better compliance than dividing between vaxxed and unvaxxed? I don't share your optimism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Wow that's a crazy strawman and looks like you're playing a game of "things nobody said". Nobody at all mentioned about tested versus untested alone. You must made that up. I guess it's a case of when you have no other arguments just resort to made up stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    What do you think they will do, open everything?

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    Just on the UK tests requirement - they don't cost anything. You order them for free from the NHS and they send you 7 in the post each time. You then take it yourself and submit the result on the NHS site. There's a lot of trust because you can obviously say it's false or just not take it all and scan the QR code and say it was negative. They send you an email and text then that you use to get into festivals and some nightclubs etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭JTMan



    Yeah, the "mood music" is definitely changing.

    Cases are soaring, hospital numbers are ticking up, Delta is rampant, un-vaccinated primary schools are about to reopen, part-vaccinated secondary schools are about to reopen, no-online-classes-this-term colleges are about to reopen, public transport is about to get packed again, the weather will get worse and people will be indoors. On top of this we have evidence of Pfizer waning, wave of un-vaccinated infections and some vaccinated infections. And it only August.

    The counter-argument is Delta wave will likely eventually subdue but thereafter cases could easily still stay at an elevated level like in England or tick back up like in Scotland.

    I don't think we are facing "lockdown", not yet anyway. I think what we are facing is the cancellation or postponement of the road-map later this month. I can't see offices, for example, been allowed open until after Winter. I bet we will also see expanded use of the Digital Covid Certificate (gyms etc) and the cancellation of the plans to allow indoor dining access without a Digital Covid Certificate.

    If the government go ahead with the road-map later this month and then hospitals go to hell in Autumn/Winter there will be too much egg on their face. The situation has to drastically improve before any road-map can be announced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I know it wasn't directly aimed at me, but to answer your question, was I happy to possibly be sitting with unvaccinated people in the same pub. Yes, didn't bother me in the slightest, I'm vaccinated, I've done what can be done to protect myself. Time to get on with life. What other people do or don't do is their own business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Here we have Newstalk's Sean Moncrieff calling for a climate change NPHET, presumably leading to climate lockdowns. Now obviously lockdown was good to Sean and his industry but that's not the point.

    As I said over a year ago, lockdowns are now a legitimate and moreover popular tool in the government's tool kit and you're kidding yourself if you think they'll be restricted to viruses. Closing down society and borrowing vast sums of money to pay people to stay at home is here to stay.

    Of course it drives wealth inequality between rich and poor, it stops people (poor people obviously) accessing healthcare and it will invariably cause inflation which we're only now beginning to see starting in the US.

    In answer to Sean's sadness at the prospect of not having grandkids i'd say, first of all your children are young - I certainly said i didn't want kids at their age - but perhaps your kids not reproducing is the only climate "action" which will actually save the planet...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭growleaves


    These vaccines were supposed to lead to the restrictions melting away, instead they're turning into a new excuse to scapegoat and exclude people.

    In France, the parallel society of locked-out people will be embarrassingly large.

    What a joke. How many more evil surprises will we be subjected to?

    Meanwhile people will still be waffling away R rates blah blah rate of infection coefficient firebreak contingent blah blah uptake rollout caution variable swabs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart



    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,293 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Many many times this has been said but we need to live with this thing once and for all

    Because of our health system The Republic Of Ireland only country to be fully locked down

    People here already trying to scare people going to matches/concerts in the UK and secretly praying they will bring in a rule where no non UK issued covid cert will be accepted in the venues etc

    It's a bloody joke but we're all in this together



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    We didn't get a roadmap to no restrictions when we had less than 50 in hospital including around 10 in ICU. This gormless shower we have in government are not going to buck that trend now, regardless of what MM claimed weeks ago. It would seem we are only fluid in going one direction, any sort of easing requires months of procrastinating until cases start to rise again and then they have their excuses.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    So again why are they allowed do them things when we cannot here (I remember the Govt celebrating being ahead of the UK on the vaccines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,293 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Don't worry the government will swoop in and ban non essential travel to the UK very soon

    I worked hard and paid my way to make a trip over for a concert next month but I'll be forced to cancel even been fully vaccinated and feel comfortable going.

    Whats the point anymore, **** micro managed and all personality responsibility been thrown out the window because I could potentially bring back a variant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    Just do what anyone would do in that situation, go from Belfast



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,293 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    As much as I'd love to its simply to far away from Waterford

    Sure train/bus to Dublin would be disturb because of a new travel restriction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    What are you on about? Who's banning travel to the UK ? Your creating a situation that doesn't exist, yet again.

    Nobody is telling you to cancel your trip to a concert. Sure I'm going to a few premier league games myself. Your vaccinated you can come and go as you please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭mariab21


    Spend all our money at gigs football games etc across the water meanwhile our arts and entertainment industry is on its knees.

    Its ok for a vaccinated person just on boat or plane go concert in UK but we don't allow concerts for vaccinated people here. Make sense of that to me?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Andrew00


    Restrictions relaxed all around Europe. Full stadiums in england


    Yet here over 80% are vaccinated and we can't even have 300 people in 40k semple stadium or 2,000 in at the Curragh racecourse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Cue the posters to tell us the Dutch are absolutely stupid and not at all clever like us Irish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Personally I go over regularly anyway, secondly I wasn't replying about the ins and outs of what is or isn't allowed here, so I'm not here to make sense of anything to you to be perfectly honest.

    I was replying to someone who seems to think that he's about to be banned from traveling again, an unfounded thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,293 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Feel it's coming down the line

    Only UK issued covid certs will be accepted to gain entry into venues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Right so your jumping to unfounded conclusions again. To clarify nobody is stopping you from travelling.

    Who's saying only UK issued covid certs will be accepted? Because its not true at all. Proof of vaccination through the covid cert was accepted at Stamford Bridge yesterday, know of 2 people who went over to the game, no issues. They accept a countries equivalent.

    Honestly you get yourself wound up over hypothetical situations that you create, despite them having no basis.

    Just go and enjoy your trip



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    relax

    A couple of big gigs are planned for croke park sometime next year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,866 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Because as idiotic and incompetent as our leaders are, Boris Johnson takes the award for thickest most incompetent leader in the history of democracy



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I agree with you about the dysfunctional political system, but I actually think the government wants the same thing as the opposition. It's just that the (identical) opposition are open about it. I know people disagree with me, but I still maintain that no restrictions have been eased. I don't consider businesses that were always going to open reopening a relaxation of a restriction, and intercounty travel was always going to resume. Masks are still mandatory everywhere, and no sign of them going, no sign of social distancing going, the government continues to determine how many people a person can have in their own home, and unvaccinated people are banned from eating or drinking indoors and there are hints that the "temporary" vaccine passport will be used in other areas of society and will be a feature of Irish life for at least another year (Proof of vaccine status likely to be in place for at least another year (irishexaminer.com)), by which time it will have become normalised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Are the Dutch thick as well? They are lifting all restrictions by the start of November. Is everyone thick except us Irish?

    Or maybe, just maybe, other countries are realising that continued restrictions are completely unsustainable and we need to accept that Covid is an endemic disease that we need to live with. Also that committing economic suicide is not a great strategy long-term.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,866 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Toward the end of the page it says

    Supporters vaccinated outside England

    Supporters vaccinated outside England can show their vaccine status provided by their country’s governing health body. This can either be in the form of their local NHS COVID Pass equivalent, letter or email. This includes supporters from Scotland, Northern Ireland or Wales, who can however still use the NHS App to confirm their rapid lateral flow test (LFT) or PCR results no more than 48 hours prior to kick-off.

    Unvaccinated Supporters

    Supporters from England, Scotland, Northern Ireland or Wales who have not downloaded the NHS App should take a rapid lateral flow test no more than 48 hours prior to kick-off and register their result here. The email or text message received confirming a negative test result can be presented instead of an NHS COVID Pass.

    Supporters from other countries internationally can present one of the following formal documents providing they have tested negative for COVID-19 no more than 48 hours prior to kick-off:

    - Negative PCR test result required as part of their travel documentation or permission to travel

    - Negative PCR test result from any testing centre or pharmacy



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