Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

Alonso has been getting faster all season, he's 40 years old but at this stage it looks like there's a good chance he'll still be around next year, which is fairly remarkable for this era of F1. Does anyone know if he has a contract with Alpine for next year? Him and Ocon seem to be a good duo.

Do you think he would have been able to defend against Hamilton for even longer if he had more life in the tires?

Is it fair to say that performance wise you the merc would be streets ahead so it was all Alonso in that instance?

That reads like you went straight into defense mode. Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to catch you out with anything, i just wondering what you thought about it.

I don't know how much the age of the tyres would offset the performance of the merc.

For instance if Alonso had tyres what were five laps younger would Hamilton still be favourite to pass him given the performance of the merc.

Maybe I'm not asking the question clearly.

Nope, not what I was getting at at all. I didn't follow F1 in Alonso's younger days so I'm not going to pretend I know what he's capable of or how close/far he is to his best.

I know the merc is faster than the Alpine. I suppose the point of my question was to see if the logic I had in my head was correct, that's why I asked if it was "fair to say" from my perspective, I wasn't trying to get you to agree with me.

Alonso is on older tires in a lesser car compared to Hamilton in a powerful car on younger tires.

How does he stay in front? Is it all down to him driving extremely well on old tyres. If the Alpine had younger tyres does Alonso hang on longer or is it inevitable that Hamilton passes him even if he had fresher tyres?

I'm not expecting a response to any of those questions. Just trying to convince you that I wasn't being hyperbolic or trying to entrap you into some opinion with some chicanery.

Well if he's down on performance and he's down on tyres then there is no advantage and the driver is all that's left, but I forgot to factor in the track itself.

Going by other posters and listening to commentators, yes, I am aware Hungary is a difficult track for over taking. I didn't feel the need to acknowledge the delta point. When you went off on one being fixated on the "all Alonso" wording, the posts afterwards were an attempt to explain why I asked the question and to dispel your accusation of me being hyperbolic and your paranoia of an attempt by me to make a round about argument about a driver I know nothing about.

If it puts your mind an ease I acknowledge the 2 second delta point.

Jeeeez......

As a new comer that reaction would put you off asking anything.

AM has launched the appeal against the disqualification. They had 96 hours to do it and have decided to go ahead with the appeal. The rules say they can't do anything to the car, but they want special permission to replace the pump to pump out the remaining fuel that they say is in the tank.

It seems like a simple point but I think they should stick to the rules and not have every decision drawn out over weeks. The red bull appeal after Silverstone has been a bad influence. This appeal will presumably rumble on for another week too. I'd say they should impose the rules and just move on.

Great news for Williams if the appeal is unsuccessful. They will double their points from 4 to 8. Which is a pretty unassailable lead and would most likely guarantee them 8th in constructors.

Thats standard fare here. You'll get used to that posters "style".

The pre-race hot take shtick is always amusing.

I think if the fuel is in the car, they should be allowed do whatever is required to get it out.

I don't believe there is a requirement to have a functioning car after gp so if a collapse of some system or component is preventing the fuel being drawn off, why not let the team dismantle while supervised to get the fuel.

18 points involved for AM so its a pretty big deal

They didn't ask anything in earnest. And I still don't know what point they were making.

I wasn't making a point, I was asking a question.

I asked if you thought Alonso would have continued to defend that well if the tyres were younger. As it stands, yes, would be the obvious answer.

Then, I had a thought, I asked if it was a fair thought, you launched into a tirade about hyperbole and underhanded arguments. You could have just said "yes he drove well but these factors also had a impact yadda yadda".

Anyway, you found something in it that wasn't intentionally there and answered as you did. Nothing more to add.

This is seriously impressive from Vettel.

Aggressive manner? Ah here. I answered the first question about fresher tyres and pointed out that Hubgary is notoriously difficult to overtake so it's not all to the driver's credit for keeping a faster car behind, and also acknowledged that Alonso did well to keep him behind for so long.

AM's disqualification hearing is set for Monday. That will determine whether they can fir a new pump to get the additional 700ml needed for the sample.

If successful, AM will have the chance to try to get the fuel and depending on whether that's successful, we'll then hopefully get to know the result.

The car is in FIA custody and is currently in France.

There's a procedure for getting the fuel out of the tank. So the question should be whether they can provide a sample or not, - not whether it's in the tank or not. They can't provide the sample because the pump broke and they can't replace it under the current rules. No sample = disqualification and that should be the end or it