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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Whocanibe


    What a hateful spiteful post, and that comes from a vaccinated person! By the way, it would never occur to me to ask anyone whether they had the vaccines or not, the same as I wouldn't ask anyone their religion. It's none of your business or mine! Is this what we are becoming?


    People don't trust what they are being told anymore, and so most people are sick of all the restrictions at this stage, So, it's ok for politicans to attend a birthday party for 60, rules being followed of course, but they can't allow children to make their Communion or Confirmation in this "serious pandemic" in case their families get together? Double standards I think, it's a case of do as I say, not as I do. In the North yesterday, the first 500 young people in the queue for a vaccine got a festival ticket, I found that disgusting to be honest, maybe we will be bribed with an exotic holiday to encourage us to get a booster, I think not, it will be enough to to tell us we have another hurricane of cases on the way. 🤐 People here seem to want to get to 100% vaccinations for us to return to normal, even with that they would come up with another excuse, we're stuck I think!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    It probably wasn't your intention, but you did say that you don't want to see masks "normalised". In effect, you've said that you want masks to remain unacceptable or exceptional, marginalising those who choose to wear them.

    In sociological context, "normalise" means to make something unexceptional. It doesn't mean, "force it to be everywhere". Homosexuality in Ireland is normalised - in that if you're gay nobody cares anymore. It's normal, not exceptional But it doesn't mean everyone is forced to be gay or be involved in gay things.

    Likewise, "normalising" mask wearing means that when you see someone wearing it on the street, you don't even give them a second glance. When your mate sticks on a mask before going inside and says, "I've got a cold", you barely even react.

    As I say, it probably wasn't your intention to imply that you wanted to eradicate mask-wearing as a "thing", but you did imply it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    This is a fallacy. The government have already communicated that vaccines do not lead to restrictions being eased. If this was the case, why are there restrictions on vaccinated people meeting together? Further, there is no official communication channel which has indicated that restrictions will be fully eased if enough people get vaccinated. To say otherwise is an assumption at this stage (it of course can change if the government releases a roadmap to fully easing like the UK has done).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Yes, they are putting aside their concerns and acting in the national interest to end covid19. Compassionate and generous are other words that describe them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Yeah I think you are correct, and I'll put my hands up and accept that was a poor choice of terminology - my point was that I don't want them to become "mandatory", and I'm 100% against a situation where it is "normal" that you are expected to wear one when entering shops etc.


    My point about Staines comment still stands in that context though - "behaviour" is something to be expected. A "permanent change" in behavior would imply that masks remain a requirement - and he can still **** off.😀



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,865 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    I'm curious to know, what festival was tickets being given away to in the North, not Stendhal or Belsonic?

    Edit: Just answered my own question. https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2021/0803/1238780-coronavirus-northern-ireland/

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Whocanibe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭User1998


    Put it this way, People can wear masks as much as they want, normalise it all they want, but I never want to wear a mask again after this, and I don’t ever want to be looked at funny or looked down upon for not wearing one

    I’m sure once the man on the telly says its okay to stop wearing one the majority of people will never wear one again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    If you reread my post I state they are 'being' versus they 'are'. Being is transitory, for example a large child physically attacking a small child may be seen as being a bully and bullying but then may stop and do more compassionate things.

    I spoke with a friend who was concerned about the vaccine. He literally told me he would tell everyone he had the vaccine and encourage others to get it but would not take it as it was too dangerous.

    I would describe that as being a selfish cowardly prick. Other people may be refusing vaccination for different reasons but TBH I've no interest in their reasons. The people who risked their lives are telling us one thing and unqualified eejits who treated nobody in ICU are coming up with all sorts of ****.

    We've chosen vaccination. You can choose not to get on board but if you do, don't complain about restrictions that you are reinforcing by refusing to accept the medical solution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Did you gather that from their bragging about it on social media? 

    No. I don't really do Facebook etc. Personal conversations and lots of them. I get out and about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    We've chosen vaccination. You can choose not to get on board but if you do, don't complain about restrictions that you are reinforcing by refusing to accept the medical solution.

    What do you mean medical solution? How is vaccination the solution? What is the end goal? Do you think we are going to vaccinate everyone and then covid will just vanish into thin air?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Only 154 people availed of the chance of a free ticket...

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival, And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Putting aside concerns? What concerns? If these vaccines are safe, why would anyone have concerns?

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival, And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Sorry guys. I got a bit wound up today. I've had to listen to a few people recently who are refusing the vaccine. Of the four friends,

    Concerned for own health

    Concerned for own health

    Human rights

    Conspiracy

    All this stuff, it's a new technology etc. Yes, medicine is evolving. If everyone said that to Fleming when he discovered penicillin...

    It's a total pain to have to listen to it but appreciate that shouting😤, hyperbole and talking in CAPS probably don't achieve anything.

    Signing off now for my ow health 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Whocanibe


    If that's true, it's good to know, I haven't been able to find anything on the uptake, just that the first 500 got tickets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Those nasty Romanian plague rats, how dare they sell their vaccines to us rather than take them. We must ensure that they are discriminated against if they ever darken our shores as they are unclean vermin, antivaxers, and deserve to lose their jobs, healthcare, and access to basic normality. Their cowardice disgusts me.

    Welcome to what some of the little village posters don't realise they actually saying. Needless to say I disagree with all of the above, as should everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Lol. I think these threads should be in the comedy section.

    I guess you missed what happened here last xmas. The hospitals were clogged and practically overwhelmed.


    The message is quite simple. You either get vaxxed or face a future of a very limited lifestyle.


    it’s not spiteful it’s about facing facts. Unless this virus burns out and disappears vaccines are our only way out of this unless you love lockdowns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    People do need to get out of this labelling thing and imagining they know why people took vaccines. Who cares why? Many did. We should call out those who sow misinformation but for those who have made their own choices not to get one leave them to process it in their own way. It's a DoH/HSE challenge to get some of them on board, not an excuse for people to indulge in moral superiority over their next favourite pariah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    I think you missed what happened christmas 2019, or christmas 2018, or christmas 2017, ... etc etc

    Our health service is overrun every christmas. Trolley crises have been an annual thing for the last decade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    The average vaccinated person is at least 50% less likely to spread the disease around. Patrick Valance has said it could be up to 70-75%.

    Two main reasons. Firstly a vaccinated person less likely to get the disease and secondly a vaccinated person will be infected for a far shorter duration than an un vaccinated person. So on the whole a vaccinated person will infect less people throughout his/her illness. So the more people get vaccinated the more society will benefit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    So you reckon adding another 2000 people on to the list because of covid and another 200+ in icu is going to help matters? Ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    Now the WHO want rich countries to defer giving boosters until 10% of every country is vaccinated.


    Just to keep the limbo of restrictions longer. They will likely keep it going until 2025 when the new digital currency is ready for reopening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Now the WHO want rich countries to defer giving boosters until 10% of every country is vaccinated.

    This is how we should be doing things. Reducing disease prevalence elsewhere helps us all in the long run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    What i’m calling for? Lol. I was basically pointing out the world will only tolerate antivaxxers for so long in a pandemic like this especially if it drags out.

    The US had 104,000 cases yesterday. Over 99 % are unvaccinated. People are starting to make noise about it over there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Where would these extras come from? Statistically its the same group of people being hospitalised, just for flu instead of covid.

    Last christmas we didnt have peak hospital number + 2000, so why would we this christmas or the following christmas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Possibly due to the lockdowns i suspect. Lets Just say that last year we never locked down and no vaccines. We’d still have all those flu’s etc with covid on top of that. Hospitals would have been a nightmare last winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,865 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,300 ✭✭✭Allinall


    They've pulled the plug on Electric picnic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    If they had've held out for another few days it may have been able to hold especially after the Zapper fiasco at the Merrion, have a feeling to save a few politicians they will be lifting restrictions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,406 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    By the time Electric Picnic is on everyone that wants a vaccine will have one and will likely be fully vaccinated considering it's 8 weeks from now.

    What'll be different next year? The same people will be vaccinated and I assume the same people will be unvaccinated.

    Same the year after that.

    What's the end game here? Cancel festivals forever?



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