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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    All the best with your recovery, listen to the body & take it easy as long as you have to!



  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Sorry to hear this, seriously unfortunate timing. All the best with the recovery A; plenty of time left to Manchester.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Now, where was I...........

    Oh yes - in hospital after my near death experience.

    Well, like someone else - on the 3rd day I rose again (- it was actually 4 days - but it ruins the tagline).

    I met the dietitian and the consultant (again) on Monday evening - from a diet perspective, I was told that my next 2 weeks would be everything unhealthy that I dont normally eat - no fiber, no seeds - so in came white bread, white pasta, white rice - out went veg, fruit, brown bread, whoewheat everything, porridge etc.

    We had a pre-planned trip to Belfast planned - so I ran that by the doctor and the dietitian and got the ok (alcohol was also ok in moderation!!) - so spent Thursday & Friday in Belfast with the family.

    At this stage I hadn't ran in more than a week and was gettin very itchy feet. Home on Saturday and threw on the runners for what I thought would be a nice easy run.

    Good Jebus -it felt like I hadn't ran in a month - never mind 9 days. The next few days runs felt the same - I guess it'll take time to build it up.

    July 31st: 6.5m 8.43 pace

    Aug 1st: 7.7m 8.24 pace

    Aug 2nd: 8m 8.23 pace.

    Aug 3rd: 6m 8.42 pace (Quads pretty tired today for some reason - so kept it to 6 and not 8 - all on the flat and mostly on grass)

    So - 10 weeks to Manchester - so much going on in my head.

    • Train away and do it - whatever the result.
    • Train for next few weeks and see how it goes.
    • Make the call now and drop out - build up again and go again in spring.

    Will probably see how the next 3 week go 1st - see what shape I get myself into and decide.


    Thanks for the texts & comments - greatly appreciated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    • Pace a friend for x distance in Manchester


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing



    If said Friend paid for my flights and accommodation for the privilege of me pacing, then its a consideration :p



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Missed the drama - sorry to hear of those difficulties, Alan. You seem to be recovering well. Interesting that it happened following the diet changes - any connection? I'm sure the coach can get you back on track, I wouldn't think all is lost by any means considering the shape you've been in.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Glad to hear the recovery is going well. Hard to resist the temptation to quickly return to previous training paces no doubt. Best of luck with it !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    It's hard to withdraw from a race at any time but especially after the year+ we've had with no races! I'd probably do it, assuming you are ok now to pick up training again? How lofty is the goal, or how devastated would you feel if you had to adjust it? What are the other race options down the road? These would be the things I'd be thinking about... but ultimately if it isn't going against medical advice then I'd probably just rely on all the good training done prior to the bad luck of recent times.

    Wishing you a continued speedy recovery & quick return to normal fitness A.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭browne_rob5


    Sorry to read this Alan but glad to hear you are on the mend. Think it makes sense to give yourself a few weeks before making a decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Maybe not Jesus but Lazarus (I think he was 4 days) would be proud of that quick recovery all the same. Great to read you're on the mend.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Glad to see you recovered.


    I haven’t been on here much the new format is shockingly sh1t!!!


    TbL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    I must say - I was tempted to not update again - I'm not liking the new format - even reading updates is not as smooth as it should be.

    August 4th: 12x12 sec hill sprints - legs felt somewhat normal on the run down to St Marys hospital. The hill sprints went well, but I knew I'd have the warm glute feeling for a couple of days afterwards.

    9m total

    August 5th: Rest day.

    Fri August 6th: an easy lap of the park after work - one of my fav runs - threw in some strides half way through.

    7miles/8.08 pace.

    Sat 7th: Session 6mTempo

    I got really ahead of myself here, thinking that 6m would be easy enough - even went as far as doing a route for an 8m Tempo.

    Done a 4m WU with strides and set off on the tempo - by mile 3 I had a stitch and was going backwards - so I took a 3min recovery.

    Tried to get going again, but the body was saying 'NO' - I was really despondent at this stage, I was quitting running and everything :)

    I came to the park and just said I'd do a couple more miles at whatever pace I could muster then jog home.

    I ended up with 15 miles in total at 7.33 pace - so not a wasted workout at all. Obviously my body was not ready for longer sustained periods of running.

    The tempo pieces were;

    3m T: 6.12/ 6.17 / 6.27 (3min R)

    0.6m: 6.40 pace - (4min recovey + a 5min head down depressed walk thinking about my glory days of running being over)

    2mT: 6.26 / 6.22

    Sunday: Quads were a bit sore on this run - done a shorter recovery run - 5.7m /8.30 pace.

    Monday: easy to the Park and home. 7.5m / 8.16 pace

    Tuesday 10th Aug: Session: 7x7mins (3 mins)

    This session was a good one to have - it would give me a good long run with a good few miles at faster than MP - the fact that they were broken tempos were a very good thing as I really like these and would happily do them in place of the longer tempo runs.

    20min WU and strides and set off from CK Gate - most of the reps were around the 2m loop that I use.

    I had a pace of 6.10 in mind (Guidance here is 10-15 secs faster than MP) but I knew that the 3min recoveries were generous for this pace and rep distance.

    Completed all reps in about 6min/mile pace which I was very happy with. I kept the recovery pace decent too - 7.45's for the 1st 4 recoveries and 8.20's for the last 2.

    All led to a very good session - those 'generous' 3 min recoveries - I needed every second of the last recovery as I was close to cooked.

    I felt like I had done a strong session as I was knackered for the evening and made sure to eat & drink appropriately.

    15miles (6.55 ave pace)


    I need a couple of more weeks of sessions like this to get the confidence that I can toe the startline at Manchester



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Nicely done AMK 👍 7x1.2ish miles @6min pace is nothing to be sniffed at. Fitness is still there right below the surface anyway.

    New format isn't fantastic...but is it so bad as to finish off most of the A&R posters? Forum on it's last legs by the looks of things 😔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Maybe I'll keep it going - with less people around, I might win log of the year eventually or even race report of the year :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Wednesday 11th: Rest day

    Thursday: The start of a manic few days for me as wifey was going away, I needed to bring daughter number 2 to train station as she was going to Mayo and then go back to hospital for a checkup. As well as go back inot the office for a few hours for the 1st time in a long time.

    Got out early for this one.

    7.4m / 8.25 pace


    Friday: Extremely Busy day in work meant I didn't get out til after 7 for this run. Still managed to walk the dog afterwards but pizza for dinner at 9pm isn't ideal prep for tomorrows long run. Went to bed absolutly knackered.

    Had a good chat with coach today and we reset our targets for Manchester and beyond. He helped allay my fears about it being very close to race date.

    If things pick up in the coming weeks, we may revisit - but for now the target is set.

    7m/8.40 pace

    Saturday: Still working a bit on Sat morning, so didn't get out til near 12'ish - I expected to be out in torrential rain, but it wasn't too bad and mainly stayed away after the 1st 15-20 mins.

    The session was for 14m at 6.50-6.55 - slower than MP but a good 'structural run' to support the upcoming MP efforts.

    2m WU - with the 2nd mile being a very easy 7.20 bode well for the effort ahead - I knew it would be a good day during the WU. (normally my WU miles are slowish).

    The coach was saying to me about starting this at 7's and working down (reminding me of my tendancy to start fast) - I smiled at this as the 1st mile beeped at 6.39.

    I settled into a very nice rhythm soon afterwards at about 6.45's and seriously it felt like I was jogging - HR was in the low 150's.

    I decided after about 7 miles to run over to the hilly part of the park and go up Military and up the Upper Glen Road for additional stimulus, rather than stay on the flat.

    The hillier parts did make it feel like more of an effort and certainly worked to fatigue the legs faster, HR was upto 160's at this stage. I came back around by the North Road for the final 3 miles and pushed on slightly to make up for the fact that it was a downhill finish to the zoo. Finished with 6.40/6.39/6.29 for a good 14m effort.

    I took 2 gels during the run to test them out - the Maurten went down fine at 7m without water - the Torq was pure sweet syrup - wont be using these again.

    Certainly gave me confidence as I've kinda struggled with these efforts previously.

    2m cool down.

    18 miles total.


    Sunday 15th: Legs a bit tired at the start, but got going- kept the pace nice and easy.

    7.1m / 8.45 pace.


    62 miles for the week - highest mileage week since Nov 2020 believe it or not. Typically I'm a 70-75m at this stage for the Marathon - so it'll be interesting to see how it goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Boards is a bit of a ghost town - but I'll continue to log until Manchester and then see.


    Monday: an 8m loop down to the PP and back - Listening to one of a couple of Spurs Podcasts about the victory v City. I avoided any podcasts concerning Dublin GAA. Positive affirmations only allowed :)

    8m / 8.16 pace


    Tuesday: Session - 10x(3/1/1/3) - Lactate Shuttles - affectionately known as Grenades in the training group as you'll blow up doing them. (Blowing up is actually important - if you dont, then you paced it wrong)

    The idea of the session is to train the body to shunt lactate around the body - the paces for the session are;

    3m at 10k pace / 1min shuffle / 1 mi at 5k / 3min easy.

    The sesson is quite easy early on - 10k pace for 3 mins is not that difficult - the important thing is to run at the right paces so you get the correct reaction. For this reason the 1 min shuffle after the 10k pace is important.

    I done this all on the 2 mile loop Chesterfield/North Road/ Old Lamp Road - 5 laps! with a 20min WU/CD either side.

    10k paces were 5.45-5.50 / 5k paces 5.30-35 / Shuffle was exactly that and the 3min easy around 8.00-8.30.

    All was going well - I remember thinking on the 7th rep that I could do this all day and not blow up.

    On the 8th rep, I noted a bit of tiredness creeping in.

    The 9th rep was tough and the 10th rep - kaboom - the 10k/5k segments were the slowest of the 10.

    Mission accomplished.

    The overall session worked out at 16 miles - which is what I want to be doing at this stage.

    16m total at 7.11 ave.

    Saturdays session is 13m at 6.25-6.30 as part of a 19m run.

    Definitely in a better place now than some weeks ago. Confidence is rising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Shunt lactate? How does that work? 🧐



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    'Shunt' is probably the wrong term - Shuttle is a more appropriate term. The workout is trying to train the body to be more efficient at:

    Faster Rep: Body increases lactate

    Slower Rep: Shuttles lactate and reuses it as energy.

    We've a lady in our training group who has a PHD in all things lactate (no, not a Doctor of Lactate........) who gave an interesting presentation on this recently. (Shunt is a different term for a different workout)



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 Maxxx17


    You guys are pretty funny. LOL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Wednesday: Rest day.

    Thursday: an early 8m - cant really recall it.

    8m/8.20 pace

    Friday: 7m down to the park and back

    7m/8.15 pace

    Saturday: session - 3WU/ 13 6.25-6.30/ 3CD

    Prepared well for this one - I knew it was important to get it done, both for the pace and for the mileage. The thoughts of the pace didn't phase me having done 14 at 6.40 pace the previous week.

    I drove to the PP and set of on the warm up - wearing the Endorphin Pro 2's - I was finding them very slippy on the PP surface and didn't fancy doing the session with that on my mind - something similar happened a while back that resulted in me getting a slight quad strain.

    So I hightailed it back to the car and drove home to change into the Next %. I was sweating buckets at this stage, given the humidity.

    Started the session close to the house and was finding 6.25's tough from the off. I reckoned I'd get a 2nd wind after a few miles, but I was struggling.

    1st 4m were 6.26/6.26/6.25/6.28 and I knew that I was not going to do 9 more. On the 5th mile I was really forcing the pace and the effort was certainly higher than MP. I took a reset for 2 mins and tried to get going again, but the body was having none of it after another mile.

    Decided to not continue (as I couldn't) and just jogged home.

    2 weeks prior to this - the coach and I had a conversation around Manchester - his advice then was to not do it. He reckoned I'd be forcing the pace and it could lead to injury or illness. We compromised on the pace and that led to the previous 2 weeks training where I did churn out some good sessions.

    However - the fitness wont be there in time to give Manchester a good rattle - it would be a gamble to keep going for another few weeks - do the race and then spend 3-5 weeks recovering from what could be a great race or a sh1te race. , so we agreed to change approach for the coming months and focus on 10k-10m fitness.

    Given how the previous 18 months or so have went with race cancellations - me not doing this Marathon is no big issue for me - I'm not overly disappointed. On the positive - I will get to race more in the immediate future (rather than just 1 race in October)!!

    Sunday: Legs were quite tried & heavy on Sunday: just a few light miles to ease them out.

    4m/8.30 pace


    55m for the week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Share a bath with me in San Seb or Valencia? 🤣


    TbL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing



    DD is going to San Seb!! You wont ditch him like you ditched me.

    I was thinking of Valencia or a Spring Marathon - but the idea of not running a spring Marathon and just racing a bunch is also appealing



  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Im in the same boat with regards to Manchester, but my decision was probably a lot more straightforward to yours. If you're anything like me, I bet you have checked out every possible race available to you from October to December - that's exciting at least. Not often that you'll get the chance to race these Autumn races without a marathon looming over



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    So, following the long run debacle last week - I fired an email to the coach about doing the Antrim Half Marathon - I had an entry but timing didn't suit the coaches plans for Manchester - with that now not happening, coach agreed on doing the HM - we both felt a PB was achievable (1.21.41).

    Monday: 7m around the PP - loved how the legs felt today.

    7m / 8.10 pace

    Tuesday: 20 mins WU / 8x45 secs / 20 mins CD

    I was chuckling after this as I looked at Healys 'tune up' (5x1mile) - a difference in approaches - both equally valid.

    Legs felt supersonic after these.

    Booked a hotel room 30 mins from the start line.

    6.5m

    Wednesday: Obligatory Rest day - I had bought some SIS Nitrates in advance of Manchester, so said I'd trial them in advance of the HM. Not as bad as the Beet it shots on the stomach - but you have to do a 3-4 day loading of 2 shots per day.

    Thursday: 6m / 8 min miles

    Friday: Easy paced run with 5 strides - getting the gear ready today - realised that I had no real plan for the race - so settled down to look at the course, the temps, humidity etc. Getting that familiar race nerves at last!

    Wifey asked me to go out to the local for dinner. 1 pint served me well - ok ok - I had a 2nd for luck, but left it at that.

    4.9m

    Saturday: An easy 3 miles, was about a half mile from he house crossing a road and I miss the kerb and jar my foot.

    Immediate reaction was it was just a jarring - it'll come right in a min, run it off.

    Nope - a lot of hobbling home - I iced it immediately - it wasn't the ankle - but the side of the foot/instep. Rested it and compressed for a couple of hours and then went for a tester walk. I couldn't really put weight on that part of my foot and felt myself compensating when walking by turning my foot inwards. Not a great sign and there was no way I was going to run a HM on it.

    Think I was more devastated by this than Manchester - probably by the closeness of the race.

    Also lost my hotel fee as it needed to be cancelled by the morning....sheezzzzz

    Sunday: Foot felt a bit better, but still sore, I made the correct decision as I wouldn't have been able to race.

    Really enjoyed seeing the results come in on Strava - some fantastic performances all around. Delighted to see the Lemon do a 1.26, Healy have a stormer and Elaine run a 'da' inspired PB.


    Time to knuckle down, get back fit with some consistent week upon week of training - I'll make plans then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    That’s tough luck, Alan. 😟



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    That was sh!t luck Alan but there'll be more races for you, main thing is get the foot better!

    Aw thanks for the mention, Da inspired PB, love it🤗



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Monday 30th Aug - Sun 5th Sept;

    All easy runs this week - done an easy run on Monday on grass - just 5 miles as a tester for the foot. I unretired the Novablasts as they are more of a structured fit to protect the 'sore' part of the foot and a bit firmer on the underfoot.

    Meant to have a rest day on the Wednesday but ran 4m as the head needed it - work is still hectic, running still on the forefront of my mind - the disappointment of not doing the Kilbeggan 10m race, Manchester, the Antrim Half - the obvious Runners Low to counteract the high - ............I'll not be in race shape for ages, I wont race again til 2022 etc etc - 'oh woe is me'.

    I then had a good exchange with my coach - we made sense of the running madness and all is good in the world - 'how wow is me' :) .

    Saturday brought a vanilla 16 miler - easy pace. I was looking forward to it as I hadn't done a plain long run in a long time - but it took a lot out of me - probably the time on feet as opposed to anything else. My Glutes also very fatigued afterwards. - worked out at 7.50 pace for the 16m (2hr 6min) - I felt worse after that run than I did 3 weeks back running 14m at 6.40's. Strange game indeed.

    All in all - 53 miles for the week - all easy paced.

    Highlight of the week was my daughter flying through her leaving cert - she's had a difficult time over the past 2 years - so delighted to see her do so well.

    Monday 6th: 8 miles easy in the Costa del Phoenix Park - baking hot - kept much of this on grass as I could - done a lot of stretching afterwards - something I've been neglecting a lot (along with S&C work).

    8m / 8.10 pace

    Tuesday: Session: 20 min Tempo + 8x1min on/off (5k pace)

    Delighted when I seen this on the schedule - Tempos are my goto method to regain whatever I've lost - but was still apprehensive about it.

    20min warm up, some strides and set off - my plan was to keep it about 6.05's or 6.10's if needed. Mile 1: 5.55 (Somethings dont change). I was going around the 2 mile loop of the North Road, Chesterfield - but the breeze on the North Road was woeful - so as Mile 2 beeped on the way back up Chesterfield I crossed over to go along the OS road.

    Mile 2 was 5.52 - which was a disgrace really - this was meant t be a Tempo - not a 5k/5m race paced session!! It also meant I was really struggling in the last mile. I nearly called it at 3miles (rather than 20 mins) - but kept going with a higher cadence to finish out. Mile 3 was 5.59 with he last 2+ mins at 6.02 pace.

    Certainly not Tempo pace - but felt good to move the legs at pace for that duration.

    5mins recovery down to Chapelizod road for the next piece - 8x1min's at 5k pace. The 1st 4 were into a stiff enough wind, I turned and the next 4 were so much more manageable.

    20 mins cool down home - nicely B0ll!xed - haven't felt like that in a few weeks - its really a nice feeling in a mad sort of way.

    10.9 miles total.

    Another good day as my Leaving Cert superstar got her 1st choice college place and a new part time job. All's good in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Well done to your daughter on her results, 1st choice & job...proud dad😊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Wed: Rest day

    Thursday: Legs feeling a bit weird this week - like they need a good rub or stretch or something. Not a muscular thing - just a weird feeling since the easy run last weekend.

    On the cards today was a return to Hill Sprints - but this time the shorter explosive 8 sec variety with a 2.30 min recovery.

    After a conflab with the coach o the grade of hill and speed of the sprints - I used the same hill at St. Marys, which according to Strava is a 6% grade.

    Done the 8 sprints - trying not to overthink them - run tall, dont lean, pump the arms. The 2.30 recoveries were actually ok - I thought they'd be a bit awkward but 2mins 30 comes around quite quickly - in 2mins 30 seconds actually............

    Jogged home - foam rolling and stretching.

    8mile total

    Friday: 7 miles, just after lunch - more stretching to get rid of that damn feeling in the legs.

    7m / 8.26 - all on grass.

    Saturday: Session - 10m at 6.40 working down to 6.30

    I was a bit apprehensive about this one as I had found last weeks 'easy run' a bit of a grind at 7.50 pace.

    3m warmup with Strides to the CK Gate and I was off.

    1st 3miles were handy enough - I was considering a different route, but the wind was actually strong enough in your face up Chesterfield, so I chose the remaining miles carefully.

    At 5 miles, I started to feel a bit 'meh' - I had done 14m at this pace recently, quite comfortably, so this hurt the ego more than the body. I actually remember at about 6m thinking about canning the session and just running easy - the lungs felt ok, but the legs could not get moving comfortably. Decided to do a couple more miles and leave it at 8m in total - when I reached the 8m mark - I considered 1 more mile as it would have had a half mile downhill, but I'd be forcing it. let it be at 8 and tagged on an additional CD mile for 15 total.

    15.2 with 8 at 6.37 (ave)


    Sunday: A few easy miles and the 1st run in a while where the legs felt 'normal' - that icky feeling was gone and I was at peace with the world.

    7.9m / 8.18 pace.

    57 miles for theweek.

    Its awful looking at Strava and Social Media at those racing good times and doing brilliant Marathon sessions. Decided that I'm not going to chase fitness - I've nothing on the horizon so, just going to get the head down and let he fitness come to me. I know it wont take long to be back in decent shape again - then I'll look for an opportunity to use the fitness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    I can empathize with you AMK, use the time to get fitter and stronger.


    You're in good shape and it’ll come good


    TbL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Monday: Theres a route I used to take a lot while training for DCM and it involved running from Mile 2-7 of the DCM route - the piece up through Stonybatter is lovely - dont know why, with all the cars, people and the CLIMB - but I love it. So I through this into the route for Monday.

    It really gives me a grá for DCM training when I do this and makes me want to sign up in 2022 (will probably be the most oversubscribed DCM ever!).

    Anyway - legs felt really good today :)

    8m / 8min miles.

    Tuesday: Session - 20WU / 10min T / 5x1min at 5k/ 10min T/ 5x1min at 5k/10min T / 20 CD

    When I seen this workout on the schedule I couldn't wait to do it. I really love this type of multi paced workouts with longer intervals.

    As it was a dry day, I wore the Endorphin Speeds - they could do with a bit more rubber on their sole, then they'd be nearly a perfect shoe!

    20mins included Strides - down to CK gate and I set off.

    1st 10 min segment was at 5.59 - around the North road - finished just past the Aras.

    3min jog to Furze road for the next piece - the 5x1min on/off went fine - they ranged from 5.24-5.29 with very slow recoveries.

    3min recovery to Chesterfield and then the tempo went up Chesterfield and around the North Road - ave 5.58. Same pattern for the recovery to the Furze.

    The set of 5x1min ranged from 5.23 to 5.34 - 3 min recovery to the Ambassadors residence in the PP.

    Final 10min segment up Chesterfield, turn left at OS road and finish right by Knockmaroon gate. I wanted to stop about 3 mins from the end - but didn't - demons are good in training when you can push them away.

    Final 10min segment was 5.58.

    A nice and contented 2+mile jog home. Happy head on me.

    13.1 miles total.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Wednesday: Rest day

    Thursday: 8x8sec hill sprints (2.30 Rec).

    Kept this local as I've a nice hill for this sort of stuff quite near me - Strava tells me its a 6-7% gradient.

    4 miles easy then pumped out the 8x8's.

    Friday: Easy miles today after lunch - as it was wet out I wanted to try the grip on the Adidas Solar boost that were in my attic - I have a box for runners that I retire early, but just might unretire :) )

    I had been thinking about doing some sessions in 'normal' runners - not the supershoes we have now - so checked Strava and seen I had done many sessions in these shoes - both speed and longer MP stuff.

    Holy Jaysus. I think I've gone soft in the legs or something. Not too sure I'd survive many sessions in those shoes - I firmly believe its the foam that makes the difference, not the carbon plate.


    At least I didn't slip.

    7m at 8.23 pace.

    Saturday: Session - 2m WU/ 12m at 6.40 down to 6.30 / 2 CD

    So - slightly apprehensive about this one given I managed 8m at that pace last week with no pick up at the end. However - the headspace was different this time.

    Making the choice that I wasn't going to do loops and just run a route was a big difference - didn't matter if there were hills - I can just run at effort. Simple things.

    Our Brain is our biggest 'holder backer' at times!!

    Anyway - 2m warm up - both under 8 min mile, so I knew it was going to be a good day. It was dry and I was wearing the Endorphin Pro 2 - some strides and set off.

    1st few miles was down North Road, around by the zoo and up Military hill - navigated these quite well - bit quick, but downhill (6.30/6.40/6.32/6.34)

    Went up Military hill and onto the S Bends (6.40/6.36) - onto the Upper Glen Road - this was encouraging as the climb was beginning to bite, and for a while the pace was in the 6.50's-7's but once I got onto the flat - it came back down and the mile came in at 6.40 - bang on target. I was wondering if I'd be able to hold 6.30 pace for the next part.

    Along the Furze and onto Chesterfield to CK Gate - picking it up as I went - (6.36 / 6.29)down the north road/C'Field (6.28/6.23), with a nice downhill finish by the Magazine fort (6.19).

    Very happy with this run - was in control most of the way - was tiring by the pick up - but that's the point I guess.

    2m cool down

    16m total (Total ave 6.56 pace / 12m Tempo in 6.32)


    Sunday: Nice n easy few miles - the HRM is chaffing my chest, so will lay off it for a while.

    7m/8.34

    58 miles for the week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Monday 20th: nice and easy few miles down in the PP - mainly on the trails - some lightish strides to help the legs along the way. Stomach not in a great place but was fine on the run. Not much sleep on Mon night due to stomach issues.

    Tuesday 21st: After a great nights sleep I woke up a new man - legs and stomach felt great.

    The session today was 15x2mins on/off - looking back I seen that I had done these in and around 5.30 pace previously - so had that in mind (range 5.25-5.35). The effort was to be 5k effort - so I also kept that in mind (btw I've never ran a 5k at 5.30 pace :) )

    20 mins WU with some strides and set off.

    Most of them - bar 3 were around the North Road/C'Field loop - the reps into the wind were tough enough.

    By the 4th rep - I could feel my glutes popping - I was toying with the idea of only doing 10 reps - then made it 12 reps - then decided to do the last 3-4 on the Furze with the last one up Chesterfield.

    A very tough workout - you are really questioning yourself and working hard - reps when you nail the pace from the first 30 secs are the best ones as opposed to running 5.10 pace for the 1st 30-40 secs.

    20 mins cool down.

    When I got home, the body turned into bad shape later on - stomach was at me (nothing to do with my previous illness - just something I ate on Sunday) and I got a chill.

    Went to bed early and felt much better on Wednesday morning - no other issues since.

    12.4 miles total



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    That 15x2min session at 5k effort always blows me away...I've had a lot of 5k (and faster) sessions over the past few months and to he honest they are mentally tough. Fair play. That's 30mins of 5k effort....yikes.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    30 mins @5k effort 🤢🤮 not for me thanks...🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Thursday 23: 8x8sec hills - 8.1 miles total.

    Friday 24th: 7 miles total - 8.36 pace - felt ok.

    Sat 25th - session - 40 mins at 6.15 pace.

    Legs didn't have it today at all - 1200 meters in to the rep I stopped, that's not happened before. Got going again - but stopped wthin 2 miles. Got going again - stopped again.

    Ah Here - WTF is going on. Why is there always f'ing drama with these - nearly threw my toys out of the pram along with the baby & the bathwater.

    Giving up running, running for fun, running for less ambitious targets, giving up running, giving up running, run less etc etc - all going around my stupid noggin'


    15.4 miles total at 7.29 pace - (thats not bad is it!)


    Sunday: Monday is a hospital appt - so Sunday was a prep day - no eating at all. So decided not to run - it would have been stupid.

    I had to take this concoction to clear my stomach/bowels - starting at 3pm.

    Started working at 4.30pm just as the Spurs v Arsenal match was on - No matter where I looked, all I could see was $h!te.

    Pretty weak by the end of it.

    Monday: Endoscopy & Colonoscopy - reminded me of being in San Seb with TBL.

    Very efficient in the Hermitage - in at 7.30am - home by 11:30am.


    2 polyps removed and sent for testing / Numerous diverticulae / Multiple ulcers / a Hiatus hernia / bad bacteria in the gut / medication for 12 weeks / further endoscopys needed - but apart from that I'm grand.


    Tuesday: 8m - legs felt great with the 2 days off. mostly on grass - 8m @ 8.12 pace.

    Wednesday: Session: 20 WU/ 15 min Tempo / 5x2min on-off / 15min tempo / 20 CD

    1st 15min Tempo was around the North road/C'field loop: 5.58 pace - felt very strong.

    5x2 mins - up & down Chesterfield: ave 5.33 - tough into the breeze.

    2nd 15min Tempo - Down the North Road, mainly to avoid the wind - pace was 5.57. Hd hoped for slightly faster given the downhill nature of it - but cant complain given what went before.

    I really like these sessions.

    Total was 13 miles


    Thursday: A proper recovery run - 6.2 miles / 8.40 pace - trying to avoid the hills. Nice. (mad day/week/month/year in work mind you.........)


    At some point in the week I crossed over 2000 miles - also finished Sept with 234 miles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Bet you didn’t offer to buy the consultant the Vaseline though…🤣


    TbL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Jeepers. Mind yourself. I’ve taken the ‘concoction’ myself. Very, eh, explosive!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Friday 1st Oct: 8x8sec hills.

    Parked at Whites Gate and ran to St Mary's hospital - 8x8sec hills with 2.30 recovery.

    8.7m total

    Saturday 2nd: 7m / 8.20 pace.

    One of the things about having a'blog' or an 'online running diary' is that I feel I need to be 100% transparent in my training (to the point of oversharing sometimes).

    I'll cut an extremely long story very short: Due to my own 'workout anxieties' - I've become self coached again.

    Its extremely important to me that everyone reading this knows that this is a 'me' issue.

    I would love to stay with Stazza - he is a super coach (as his recent results show with a lot of PB's on days when a lot of people struggled) and despite his Boards shenanigans (a lifetime ago) is one of the nicest and funniest people I've had the pleasure to meet. He is also a person with 100% integrity as his athletes know only too well recently.

    I've no doubt my decision to step away will result in me NOT running to my potential - but I'm comfortable with that given the issues I've faced - which are also tough to admit to myself as I come across as an extroverted person at times - I'm quite unsure what I am - but there you go. (maybe I listen to Scullion too much :) )

    So - John was absolutely brilliant with my decision and did not try to push on me in any way - offering me future advice and consultation should I need it - A Thoroughly decent man - I would 100% recommend him as a coach to everyone who reads this.


    Sunday: 3rd

    As it was a windy day out there - I said I'd try to do as much of a tempo as I could without going into the breeze - and then do a broken tempo.

    After a 2 mile warm up where I met an old running buddy (ran a mile with him and it was the best mile I've ran in many many months) - I started off from CK Gate and ran down to the Triangle by the HITW and then down C'Field - turning back to Garda HQ and down by the Monument - onto Chapelizod road to Parkgate street and finishing just before Stoney Batter - 5 mile tempo in just over 31 mins. Quite happy with that.

    I then ran a mile up Stoneybatter back into the PP - and started off with the 3x1m at Garda HQ - going up the North Road.

    Done the 2nd rep up Chesterfield and the 3rd rep back down the North Road - I was tempted to do a 4th rep (downhill), but said I'd not push it.

    5m Tempo: 6.18 / 6.15 / 6.11 / 6.20 / 6.15

    3x1m (2 mins): 6.17 / 6.19 / 5.57 - the effort level for the 1st 2 miles was strong - but the wind & uphill nature help it back.


    3m CD home - for 14.5 miles (with 8m of effort.)

    Very happy with this run - quite happy with how I broke up the tempo - I was very aware not to have more that 1mile recovery between the 5mT and the 3x1mT - I was also aware that at the pace I was running the 3x1m at - that 2mins was the absolute max recovery I would get away with.

    Happy this evening with that run.

    Not 100% sure If I'll take a total break from 'Running Social Media' or if I'll keep updating here to record my thoughts as they happen.


    Best of luck to all those running Marathons next weekend.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Best of luck on the self coaching journey A. I get the desire to step away from running social media (or all social media in general). From a selfish perspective I hope you don't step away from logging. I can hardly talk as I abandoned my log ages ago but personally I get an awful lot out of this log and your training in general. I think me and you are similar style runners, enjoy the same types of sessions, hate the same types of sessions, running at a similar level for the shorter stuff and you'd certainly be my reference point for when I transition to the marathon. I've also stolen several of your sessions lately while I go through my own self coaching journey while things settle with the new baby. So in summary, please don't go but totally understand if you take a break...I've done the same in the past and it did help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    What do you mean by 'workout anxieties', A? Just curious.

    It struck me the other day before the HM - I had that unpleasant pre-race nerves feeling, which is part anticipation, part anxiety, part fear, part adrenaline - that a lot of people never put themselves through those 'squeaky bum' moments, preferring (and fair play and good luck to them, we're all still runners) to stay in the comfort zone or just go out and enjoy themselves. But yet many of us put ourselves through that unpleasantness, and out the other side to post-race euphoria (if it went well) or alternatively, but rarely, despair.

    Workouts can feel that way too, although personally with less at stake if it goes wrong - because no one watches my workouts too closely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Not a dialogue I wanted to have - but sure, lets do it and open the can.

    Its not the same sort of thing as pre-race nerves - that's part and parcel of racing.


    This is something I've noted with all coaches I've had - MSB/Luke/Wilsons/Stazza. Its very difficult to put into words or have a dialogue about as I dont think I have the language for it.

    The best example I can give is that there are a number of workouts that I can do if I set them, I can do them without issue 10/10 times.

    If that same workout is set by a coach, I feel an added pressure prior to the workout and a self doubt during the workout - invariably the workout goes wrong because my normal positive mindset isn't there.

    Workout goes wrong - I spent time beating myself up, both because the workout went bad, but also because I know I should be able to do the workout and only 'failed' not because of my legs or lungs, but because of the grey space between my ears.

    I then that that thought process into the following weeks workout - a vicious circle.

    It doesn't happen all the time - but if it happens 2-3 times in the period of a few months - then its stuck in the memory bank.

    Typically I'm a very very optimistic and positive person - so I don't deal with the above too well.

    Being self coached - that 'pressure' (thats not the correct word - but for want of a better word) doesn't exist - if a workout is not going well - I change it on the fly into a similar workout, I turn it into a positive, finish the workout feeling good and look forwards to the following week.

    There I go again...........over sharing.


    Many thanks for the texts & PM's - certainly feeling the love - alls well here - still training away - I'll update the log later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    And if you don't update the log then just PM me your sessions please and thanks 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,485 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    I wouldn’t call it oversharing. You’re just reflecting and giving an honest and detailed answer. And an interesting one. I wasn’t trying to equate the issue with pre-race nerves - that was an awkward comparison. Just trying to channel a feeling of running-related anxiety in a way that I understand as I genuinely never feel that way about workouts, even the really big ones. Quite the opposite.

    I’ve never had an official coach myself so I haven’t had the experience you describe. I did ask a couple of former boardsies to coach me for the recent 5k TT attempt though, and while it's probably not the same kind of relationship as with a long-term coach, it was interesting to be given different kinds of sessions than I would have prescribed myself, or borrowed from the usual sources. I can't say I felt any additional pressure to "do well" on them however. I've never really cared if a session went badly, as long as it's a learning experience.

    It's an interesting discussion to have. You say it's not a dialogue you want to have, but you brought it up. 😁

    I hope you do continue to update regardless, as plenty here like to read your stuff, but it's totally understandable also to feel like taking a break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    Apologies for jumping in but here's the way I see it. Running is in a sense the pursuit of self improvement, self care and personal achievement. It's an entirely selfish pursuit and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that (within reason) because it enhances people's lives so much, you can see that on the logs here. There's no need to go into the positives, the list is endless.What it shouldn't do is evoke feelings of doubt, self flagellation and anxiety pre race or workout but we all know it sometimes does and the problem is when people do nothing about it and end up walking away. In that sense, I think you made a good call and you did it admirably without blaming anyone and parting ways amicably with your coach. All we want from this sport is a sense of achievement and enjoyment while we have the privilege of being able to do it. There's no time to waste in life so if something's not working, if it's not enjoyable anymore, you make a change and that's exactly what you did so fair play to you and I hope it works out. Nice to read your thoughts on things and I know it's quite personal so thanks for sharing. By the sounds of it you know exactly what you need to do to progress. By now, you know your body and how you react to training more than anyone so go and enjoy it and get the best out of yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Right so - moving on with relentless positivity............

    Monday: 7 miles recovery - about 8.20 pace

    Tuesday: Wasn't sure what state the legs would be in today, so set off thinking I'd do a session if the WU felt ok - legs still felt a bit tired, so moved it to Wednesday - Tuesday is obviously too close to Sunday!

    Done a lap of the PP - legs felt ok - but not ok enough for a session.

    7.5m / 7.55 pace.

    Wednesday: Session

    The planned session was WU/ 4x1m progressive / 5 min R / 3 mile Steadyish on the lumpy side of the park.

    Actual was 3x1m / 5x30 sec hill sprints / 10+6 mins steadyish on lumpy side of the park.

    Ran from the house to the PP - started from CK gate and down North Road to avoid the wind.

    Mile 1 was 5.58 pace - 2 mins recovery

    Mile 2 was 5.53 - 2 mins recovery -

    Mile 3 was 5.46 - probably too quick as I knew I wasn't doing a 4th rep faster than that.

    Decided to do 5x30sec hills in lieu of the 4th rep - enjoyed these - about mile pace or slightly faster.

    Took a 2-3 min walk break and then started on the Steady part - the idea here was that with the wind and the hills, the pace would be the pace - once the effort felt steadyish.

    The 10 min section was about 6.30's and that brought me up Military - s Bends and down to St Marys.

    The 6 min section was up the UGR and into the Glen, going out the other side. Nicely B0ll!xed by the end of this.

    2.5m home

    12m total for the session with a good volume at a decent effort and pace.


    Interestingly, I wore the old Pegs 37's for this workout - they are as useless as the Endorphins in the wet. But it felt great to do a workout in a 'normal' pair of shoes.

    That being said - I've a Nike Bday discount this month (no - not a new age category just yet) - so might treat myself to the Next % Tempo's. (I need a shoe with good traction in the wet for longer MP sessions).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    As someone who took a break from Strava for a while. I think it is a good thing to do at certain times. Especially if things aren't just right. I also used to get anxious about sessions. Where I'd put myself under pressure to preform a certain way like hitting prescribed paces and if my body didn't respond I'd feel shiťe about it. It doesn't seem to happen anymore probably because I'm running solo and secondly I know I've to be patient to get back to where I once was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Out of interest do you not fancy the fuelcell TC for long tempo sessions (in the wet)



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 thechigger


    Ah here, who doesn't have at least 7 accounts per website lmao



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