F1 2021 Round 11: Hungaroring

Would Stroll still be in F1 if it wasn't for his father? I honestly don't think so

This line really jumped out at me from Autosport's report on the Vettel disqualification (where the team still believe there is a litre of fuel in the car but just haven't been able to extract it)

teams can't take things apart – they can't even remove the engine cover. All they can do is put the car on stands of differing heights and tip it back and forwards in an effort to dislodge some fuel.

The rules are the rules, but what a completely arbitrary and nonsensical requirement to have. Stuff like this really makes the sport look very silly at times.

Interestingly the engineers at Aston Martin who would normally handle this task were already gone from the circuit before they knew there was an investigation as the red flag delays meant they were late for their flight home, so the investigation was conducted without them, which also seems pretty crazy.

The team are still adamant that the fuel is in there as all the measurement devices say it is, and it's simply a failure of the pump to extract it, but the FIA haven't allowed them to try another pump to get it out.

You comment "after what he did to Max". Come on! It was a racing incident. How can anybody claim he intended to injure an opponent. It was just unfortunate Max ended up in the barriers. Christian Horner, with his comments in the aftermath, comes out of all this looking like a fool. Even yesterday he kind of hinted - in a jocose fashion - that Bottas, with the tacit approval of Toto, might have deliberately caused the crash in order to ruin Red Bull's race.

Seriously? In the thread for the Hungarian Grand Prix we're back to that poxy little shunt in Silverstone. F*** sake.

Horner did nothing of the sort - with yesterday he basically said thats racing and they’ve been incredibly unlucky. He did question(rightly IMO) the rules around engine replacements in the budget cap era when you get penalised for being a car that was crashed into.

That Bottas got a 5 place grid penalty would lead to tons of discussion I assume?

After silverstone, it was almost a given that the next GP would be underwhelming, especially a track like this being so difficult to pass - but wow, what a difference a damp track makes.

so many subplots going on across the order too, once the race settled down, all the way down to Schumacher and Verstappen. Ocon and vettel were separated by 1sec for about 55 laps and almost none of it was shown!

ditto for Russell, he defended against Riccardo and Verstappen within drs for the whole race and none of it was shown.

I’ve been rooting for Russell to get points for years, so at least now I can move on with my life :D

how long is 3 weeks …

In a discussion forum you expect contributors to have differing opinions. I think Hamilton should not have been penalised. That was the consensus in the paddock among drivers, ex-drivers and team principals (excluding Red Bull). I would question the competence and qualifications of some of the stewards who adjudicate on these matters. Emmanuel Pirro and Tom Kristiensen have never even sat in an F1 car let alone raced. Derek Warwick, fair enough. At least he's been there,done that. Masi,also,is not a true racing guy unlike his predecessor.

Pirro was in F1 for 2 and a half seasons late 80s and early 90s.

This would be my opinion also, every time I read this forum I start wanting Hamilton to win, its really quite pathetic the hatred some posters here have for him.

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Don't diss Tom K. One of the greatest.

Mr Le Mans? What would he know about racing....😂

I just don’t like hypocrites and whingers. Does it not bother you when he shunts Max off the track and then 2 weeks later he’s crying on the radio about Alonso making dangerous moves in corners when Alonso’s defence was perfectly legitimate? It’s just one example.

I find him very unlikeable but I acknowledge that he's a good driver. I dislike him but I can't just go along with any old criticism of him. I don't like defending him but I can't watch people suggest nonsense like the idea that he knew he would likely put Max in hospital in Silverstone or he's making up long Covid - he's not a doctor and people make medical pronouncements all the time. I have a friend who calls every cold he gets the flu. And some people call headaches a migraine.

When I heard Lewis say he might have long covid, I didn't get furious and make up story around it. I just presumed he was talking as a lay person, like everyone else who isn't an expert.

He's not a likeable guy. There's plenty in reality to dislike about him so couldn't we just keep the criticism of him based in reality?

Mercedes dominance over the past number of years also hasn't helped. People like to see competition and when one team dominates with no others in reasonable contention it will lead to dislike towards that team and Hamilton is a fundamental part of Mercedes. People like the underdog and he hasn't been an underdog in a long time.

I want Max to win the Drivers championship so I guess that’s true, I would like to see him win every race, but I don’t expect that to happen - so each race I’m hoping that there’s a good battle between the two at least - if nothing else, it’s interesting to see Hamilton in a position he’s not used to.

so it’s incredibly annoying when that’s out the window from lap 1!

Wasn't it only 2 years ago when one of the ferraris hit one of the mercs and Hamilton said something a long the lines of a ten second penalty isn't fair but I don't really have a problem with Hamiltons complaining as all the drivers do it whether they are right or wrong. He does take it a bit far tho. Hopefully we are in for a good battle between Max and Lewis for the rest of the season

Schumacher was a master of dirty tricks and now Lewis takes after him...

I think most drivers would think this. Ham has been vocal on a number of occasions in the past about the severity of penalties. Now that he’s benefitted from it he’s being quiet about it but I don’t think that’s any different to any other driver on the grid. Same can be said for red flags, which he’s hugely benefitted from twice this season already but again, I’d guess all drivers think the same in private.

This is true also but at the same time everyone is in it to win so can you really blame Lewis and Mercedes

Jesus relax a bit will you. I never said he punted Max on purpose and I never said he was faking long COVID. If I haven’t called out the people posting that nonsense it’s because they are morons and are best ignored. Doesn’t detract from the fact the he is a whiny hypocrite.

Well to be honest, the first mention of it in this thread was when Hamilton was crying on the radio during the race, multiple people commented on it spontaneously, maybe if he didn't do that so often it wouldn't be such a frequent topic of discussion?

Kimi getting angry on the radio for usually a good reason, and Hamilton whining because the guy in front of him is defending too hard is an apples and oranges comparison and if you think it's the same you're biased (you seem to be a bit)