F1 2021 Round 11: Hungaroring

PsychoPete · 02-08-2021 12:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117694482#Comment_117694482

Would Stroll still be in F1 if it wasn't for his father? I honestly don't think so

El_Duderino 09 · 02-08-2021 12:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117694746#Comment_117694746

He wouldn't have gotten into F1 in the first place if he weren't a pay driver (whoever his sponsor is). And he wouldn't have gotten past his first year if he weren't a pay driver. But he has improved into an average driver who is having a very poor season this year.

There were those who were willing to say he's a top end driver when he was outperforming Vettel in the first few races. But they haven't needed to resort to that kind of guff since Vettel's performances have picked up. He's probably going to be in f1 for as long as his dad owns the team.

quokula · 02-08-2021 12:45pm

This line really jumped out at me from Autosport's report on the Vettel disqualification (where the team still believe there is a litre of fuel in the car but just haven't been able to extract it)

teams can't take things apart – they can't even remove the engine cover. All they can do is put the car on stands of differing heights and tip it back and forwards in an effort to dislodge some fuel.

The rules are the rules, but what a completely arbitrary and nonsensical requirement to have. Stuff like this really makes the sport look very silly at times.

Interestingly the engineers at Aston Martin who would normally handle this task were already gone from the circuit before they knew there was an investigation as the red flag delays meant they were late for their flight home, so the investigation was conducted without them, which also seems pretty crazy.

The team are still adamant that the fuel is in there as all the measurement devices say it is, and it's simply a failure of the pump to extract it, but the FIA haven't allowed them to try another pump to get it out.

quokula · 02-08-2021 12:51pm

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He certainly wouldn't have lasted as long as he has, but with the experience under his belt he's matured into quite a good driver, probably in the top 50% on the grid at this stage. He's got one of the top drivers of the last decade as his team-mate and he hasn't been completely outclassed. Performed well relative to Perez last year too, who is also a first rate driver.

chicorytip · 02-08-2021 2:19pm

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You comment "after what he did to Max". Come on! It was a racing incident. How can anybody claim he intended to injure an opponent. It was just unfortunate Max ended up in the barriers. Christian Horner, with his comments in the aftermath, comes out of all this looking like a fool. Even yesterday he kind of hinted - in a jocose fashion - that Bottas, with the tacit approval of Toto, might have deliberately caused the crash in order to ruin Red Bull's race.

MadYaker · 02-08-2021 2:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117695158#Comment_117695158

Posts like this ruin discussion forums. Find anywhere in any of my posts where I claimed Hamilton intended to injure any of his opponents, ever. Why did you even bother quoting my post if you're just going to type some unrelated nonsense? I seem to remember Hamilton getting penalty for that "racing incident"? Did Max get one as well? I can't quite remember.... Only one person here looking like a fool.

flazio · 02-08-2021 2:54pm

Seriously? In the thread for the Hungarian Grand Prix we're back to that poxy little shunt in Silverstone. F*** sake.

Killinator · 02-08-2021 2:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117694561#Comment_117694561

That's a real pot calling the kettle black kind of comment after this one by you shortly beforehand:

quokula11:25 amH

amilton is a compulsive liar, all he's done is said he "might" have long covid to the British media who have lapped it up. No doctor has diagnosed him with anything and he was happily bouncing around after winning the previous race by putting his competitor in hospital. Long covid doesn't suddenly appear 9 months later, coincidentally on a day when you performed poorly and had to do a bit of work for once.

He's just milking it and making excuses, maybe since covid impacts your sense of taste and smell it also impacts your ability to identify a dry track that was blatantly obvious to every other driver on the grid.

McFly85 · 02-08-2021 4:40pm

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Horner did nothing of the sort - with yesterday he basically said thats racing and they’ve been incredibly unlucky. He did question(rightly IMO) the rules around engine replacements in the budget cap era when you get penalised for being a car that was crashed into.

Faugheen · 02-08-2021 4:46pm

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Horner's reaction hasn't covered himself in glory, but you are chatting sh*te here again. He never said anything of the sort.

That's worse than the one or two who implied that Bottas actually crashed on purpose.

Harika · 02-08-2021 5:31pm

That Bottas got a 5 place grid penalty would lead to tons of discussion I assume?

patsman07 · 02-08-2021 6:00pm

Interesting to see Alonso's post race interviews-states in one here that Hamilton always complains...

"He always complains" - Fernando Alonso on Lewis Hamilton | #HungarianGP - YouTube

& that holding Hamilton up was also to help Max! Surprised he'd admit to that even if it was a personal motivation.

"It was important for MAX so I tried my best"-Fernando Alonso - YouTube

sk8board · 02-08-2021 6:39pm

After silverstone, it was almost a given that the next GP would be underwhelming, especially a track like this being so difficult to pass - but wow, what a difference a damp track makes.

so many subplots going on across the order too, once the race settled down, all the way down to Schumacher and Verstappen. Ocon and vettel were separated by 1sec for about 55 laps and almost none of it was shown!

ditto for Russell, he defended against Riccardo and Verstappen within drs for the whole race and none of it was shown.

I’ve been rooting for Russell to get points for years, so at least now I can move on with my life :D

how long is 3 weeks …

ctrl-alt-delete · 02-08-2021 6:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117696149#Comment_117696149

Ridiculous that they are having a break.

We want more!

chicorytip · 02-08-2021 7:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117695192#Comment_117695192

In a discussion forum you expect contributors to have differing opinions. I think Hamilton should not have been penalised. That was the consensus in the paddock among drivers, ex-drivers and team principals (excluding Red Bull). I would question the competence and qualifications of some of the stewards who adjudicate on these matters. Emmanuel Pirro and Tom Kristiensen have never even sat in an F1 car let alone raced. Derek Warwick, fair enough. At least he's been there,done that. Masi,also,is not a true racing guy unlike his predecessor.

Faugheen · 02-08-2021 8:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117696433#Comment_117696433

Some more nonsense here trying to discredit those involved.

Emmanuel Pirro spent three seasons in F1 starting 40 grand prix, for starters.

Tom Kristensen has more than enough experience in motor racing to be able to contribute to calls like this, and is one of the best racers of all time outside of F1.

As for Masi not being a 'racing guy', what exactly is this based on? Masi was involved in racing when he was still in school.

What makes Whiting more of a 'true racing guy' than Masi, considering their backgrounds are equally similar?

That post was just a load of word vomit and quite frankly is complete and utter sh*te.

kksaints · 02-08-2021 8:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117696433#Comment_117696433

Pirro was in F1 for 2 and a half seasons late 80s and early 90s.

Harika · 02-08-2021 8:07pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuele_Pirro

Kristensen just tested F1 ...

Anyway, an apex is an apex wherever.

bucketybuck · 02-08-2021 8:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117693951#Comment_117693951

This would be my opinion also, every time I read this forum I start wanting Hamilton to win, its really quite pathetic the hatred some posters here have for him.

Gaoth Laidir · 02-08-2021 9:12pm

I was pleasantly surprised yesterday to discover that the race was being streamed live on the Sky Sports app. I'm abroad at the moment and didn't have anywhere to watch it. Im glad I got to see a great race! I really hope Vettel doesn't get DQd as he really did a great race. Fair play Icon and Sainz. And well done to Alpha Tauri for robbing that fastest lap point from Mercedes. It could count in the constructors' at the end.

I hate Lewis, but I have to say fair play to him for recovering something from the race after a fairly strange decision not to put before the start. On the long COVID issue, I did wonder yesterday if there was a bit of putting it on on the podium as those champagne bottles aren't that heavy and you'd think he'd celebrate Ocon's victory. He seemed well enough to run around and skip over barriers in Silverstone, but maybe at his age he is feeling it more after the adrenalin peaks. This break could sing in good.

Burkie1203 · 02-08-2021 9:15pm

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Coulthard called the leniency of the penalty as controversial IIRC

Webber said it was a soft penalty.

A lot of the current drivers won't say much controversial in these situations unless they are directly involved and lose out. I think if Leclerc or Lando were the ones taken to hospital they and their teams bosses would take a very different view

Also, Jenson Button said

"It's a difficult one," said Button, who raced in 306 Grands Prix. "Lewis was almost alongside him but that for me was not the most important part - it's that Max left enough room.

"But at that speed, it's very difficult on the inside to get around that corner.

"At the speed he was going, Lewis had to back out of it.

Mercedes' Lewis Hamilton argues Max Verstappen was too aggressive during the wheel-to-wheel battle in the opening stages of the British Grand Prix.

"He's misjudged the apex, which is completely fair enough because he's coming in at such a speed from an angle that he never has before. He has missed the apex, there wasn't enough room for two cars."

Button, who also competed in 17 British GPs, added: "It is unusual to put the nose in that corner. Normally you are ahead if you're going to make a move into that corner. That's just always been the way for me."

While marginal, Button said he understood the 10-second penalty for Hamilton.

"It's a difficult one to have a definitive answer on who was wrong," he stated. "I get the penalty for Lewis, because he was put someone in the wall.

"I think the awareness of Max Verstappen is fantastic, what he can do with the car, and I think that is beyond everyone else. I think that is the struggle when you're racing him."

murphyebass · 02-08-2021 10:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117693198#Comment_117693198

A LOT of Hamilton fanboys alright

Jordan 199 · 02-08-2021 10:22pm

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tigerboon · 02-08-2021 11:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117695664#Comment_117695664

Fair enough question. If an opponent is judged to have caused an accident in which an engine is damaged then that damage should be allowed to be repaired. I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

tigerboon · 02-08-2021 11:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117696433#Comment_117696433

Don't diss Tom K. One of the greatest.

Widdensushi · 02-08-2021 11:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117696524#Comment_117696524

Alonso mustn't be on boards so.

Killinator · 03-08-2021 1:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117697440#Comment_117697440

Mr Le Mans? What would he know about racing....😂

Ultimate Gowlbag · 03-08-2021 5:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117697056#Comment_117697056

gotta love when this doozy gets rolled out just because other people dont have the same appetite to sh1te on another person every single day,what's the point of it though?to get people to stop debating or giving their opinion so you can have a nice little anti-Hamilton echo chamber?

As a "fANboY" of the sport and not any particular team or driver i find it weird as fcuk!

MadYaker · 03-08-2021 7:49am

I just don’t like hypocrites and whingers. Does it not bother you when he shunts Max off the track and then 2 weeks later he’s crying on the radio about Alonso making dangerous moves in corners when Alonso’s defence was perfectly legitimate? It’s just one example.

Ultimate Gowlbag · 03-08-2021 8:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117697925#Comment_117697925

But they all do it,they all cry and moan at the top of every single sport to get any kind of edge...do i like it? No!!

Am I going to jump on a bandwagon against one driver because his messages get aired more than anyone elses on his home broadcaster station...also No!!

F1 2021 Round 11: Hungaroring

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