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Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

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  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Someone who also doesn't have a fecking notion about how vaccine rollouts work. Back to the wholly antivax notion of "only vulnerable need be vaccinated"


    Educate yourself, with reputable sources, before you spout such misinformed bullcrap, lad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet


    its a regulated industry and as such details are available. Media and 'google' sources and then choose to report and focus on elements of what are available to suit what ever narrative they want



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    LOL, have a read yourself about how these vaccines work you clown.

    Antivax! Far right!

    The battle crys of the thick and ignorant, incapable of critical thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet


    to stop COVID becoming endemic; to stop further variants emerging" - vaccinating children won't stop this for the same reason, transmission occurs amongst the vaccinated = mutations and variants naturally remain possible.

    vaccination greatly reduces this possibility ..... that is why ideally we would have as many of the population vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Sure, but there is a risk and reward to be considered in all decisions, some a no-brainer (vulnerable), some reasonable (healthy adults), some worthy of further consideration (such as kids where reward = almost zero, and risk from vaccine side affects are also extremely slim but alas, not a non-zero chance).

    I am NOT saying that kids should not be vaccinated. I AM saying that they shouldn't be forced and any parents should always have the right to consider it themselves and weigh these things up.

    All this extremism on the issue in the thread is just ludicrous frantic carry-on from people that for the most part I'd wager don't have kids.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    I'm not disagreeing that vaccination reduces the possibility of transmission, I am saying that the reason it reduces transmission is the reduction of symptoms. Children do not, for the most part, have any symptoms. So... ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    "Some [kids] will be [seriously affected] - then clearly those kids should get the vaccine." Right, I'll just get my crystal ball so I can tell one type of kid from the other, shall I? 🙄

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Is that how you usually identify medical conditions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    The only "extremist" commenting today (apart from the threadbanned!) is you, calling people extremist, pathetic, and thick. Nobody on the thread is calling for mandatory vaccination, you're one of the few mentioning it at all.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet


    you are skipping around this ... ... mutations occur when the virus can pass around (regardless of symptoms) ... I am saying that high uptake of vaccinations in children will reduce the opportunities for the virus to mutate



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Dude. We know most kids probably won't have serious symptoms from most current variants of COVID; and we also know that some kids will. You're say above grand, get those one vaccines then. How do you know in advance which will be seriously affected and who will have minor symptoms or be asymptomatic? We don't. We can't. Especially if the kid has no underlying conditions.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    I'm not skipping around it at all. The virus can always be passed around like you say, whether vaccinated or not (that's my point). The vaccine doesn't stop this happening. It does however reduce it, by way of lessoning the symptoms (not as much coughing, sneezing, sick for a shorter time, etc).

    But kids do not suffer those symptoms for the most part, making that a moot point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Once again we have misinterpretation of data, misinformation and close to downright lies.

    While most children are asymptomatic they can still transmit the virus. It seems that those that have symptoms are more likely to have long COVID than some of the older population. COVID is now linked to possible infertility in the younger population where it will persist longterm only time will tell.

    While children were very immune to the first varient newer varient's are more infections and children are picking up the disease in higher numbers as well they have higher spreading rates of these newer varient's.

    Again you ignore the percentage of the population that fail to pick up immunity from vaccination and those that cannot be vaccinated because of health reason.

    As I said

    ''misinterpretation, misinformation and close to downright lies''

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    If your kid has a condition that makes them susceptible to severe symptoms or complications from Covid19, then get them vaccinated.

    If you suspect they have some mystery condition that you don't know about that also makes them susceptible to severe symptoms or complications from Covid19, then get them vaccinated.

    If you are worried about Covid19 for some reason even though your kid is perfectly healthy, then get them vaccinated.

    if you are not worried because kids are generally perfectly fine and asymptomatic when it comes to Covid19, the rest of the house is vaccinated, and feel the vaccine hasn't been around long enough or whatever, or just don't want to see your child with the common side effects, then it should be the parents choice and theirs alone whether or not to go ahead with a vaccination.

    That's my opinion on it. No crystal ball is required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet


    Again you are missing the point - its the mutations that are the issue - which have a better chance of occurring in the unvaccinated.

    Saying children are not going to pass it around as they don’t have the coughing and splitting is again nonsense …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    "COVID is now linked to possible infertility in the younger population

    More bullsh1t/misinformation!

    Seriously, wtf?! Do you seriously believe any legitimate medics anywhere are doing fertility tests on children?! No, they're obviously not! So how, then, could there be any possible link between infertility and the vaccine in the younger population?! This sh1te has already been debunked. Can you please stop spreading this crap?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    But I'm not saying that, I'm saying that them being vaccinated won't make much difference (if any at all) in regard to transmission, because they usually don't have symptoms to reduce in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Re-read the post you're responding to. It's not about the vaccine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    😂😂

    I think you are confused. It was the poster Bass Reeves said that, in this post (to which I was replying) - https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117677576#Comment_117677576 .

    I agree with you. So whos "spreading this crap" and posting misinformation then? Glad we're on the same page.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet


    The virus has the ability to mutate regardless of symptoms … your assertion isn’t correct



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    The lads are so desperate to jump on any "misinformation" they're now even calling each other liars.

    Bass Reeves - TaurenDruid has refuted your claim 'COVID is now linked to possible infertility in the younger population', he reckons no legitimate medics anywhere are doing fertility tests on children.

    I'm not sure if he's an antivaxxer or the far right or what, but I tend to agree with him there. How do you respond?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭grofus2


    I was thread banned by a Mod for a misunderstanding. It has been resolved and in fairness I had forgotten it even occurred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Which is my point. Ergo, the suggestion that giving children a vaccine which reduces transmission by reducing symptoms is flawed.

    Mutations possible either way but the reduction of transmission by way of reducing symptoms makes total sense for adults, but somewhat is pointless with children as they are largely asymptomatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭whippet


    you are misrepresenting the argument. If the virus is free to circulate in an unvaccinated population it will have opportunities to mutate - including in populations which may or may not have a high proportion of asymptomatic vectors. Vaccinating children will reduce the opportunities the virus will have to mutate regardless of if they show symptoms or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    No, you can leave your crystal ball for more complicated stuff. Thankfully we (supposedly) know already who is the most at risk of having any possible complications when contracting covid. Majority of the people who had it (confirmed by pcr test) had no idea they are positive anyway. As for children that percentage goes even higher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Either you are failing to understand my responses or intentionally misinterpreting.

    There is only so many times I can say the same thing.

    The virus is free to circulate in an unvaccinated population - that's true.

    It's also free to circulate in a vaccinated population - that's also true, although you are failing to accept it or acknowledge it.

    However - transmission in the vaccinated population is reduced, due to lessoned symptoms because of the vaccine. Sneezing, coughing, recovery time, etc.

    So again and this the last time I will respond about this. As the vast vast majority of children already do not suffer those symptoms that are lessoned by the vaccine (and thus reducing spread, and lessoning the chance of mutation) this is a moot point.

    Again in brief: transmission possible with vaccine, new variants possible with vaccine, transmission reduced by vaccine through reduced symptoms, but as kids don't generally suffer said symptoms in the first place..

    After this we will just have to agree to differ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,175 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    WOW, this is the first time I’ve started a thread on boards that has taken off and grown legs.

     I’m on the fence about vaccinating kids. 

    The risk of death to an otherwise healthy child is near zero.

    The risk of other complications is not zero but it’s not quantified and I don’t thinks we will get an answer here. This could persuade me to vaccinate mine, I’ll probably talk to our GP first. 

    I don’t believe that any parent would vaccinated their child to benefit anybody outside their own family circle. The case for vaccinating kids needs to be made in clear and fair manner, it has to be focused on the benefit to the child/family. I don’t think this government are able to do that but we will see.

    One thing I don’t like is that England is looking at making the vaccine mandatory for College, not school yet. 

    We can’t make it mandatory for school here the right to education is in the constitution. 

    All name calling here isn’t helping I’ve already added two users to my ignore list. They make too much noise for no facts. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Head


    As far as i can see this pandemic has targeted groups of people from the very start and by the pandemic I mean the mob. Initially it started out as children were super spreaders. Then it moved onto the elderly people need to cocoon mob shouting again. Then it moved onto the unvaccinated adults and now suprise, surprise we are full circle and back to the children again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    It's already been confirmed that vaccines won't be mandatory for schoolchildren. There are no mandatory vaccinations in Ireland, of any type.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭bladespin


    I don't see any need to tbh, they told us all along it Covid was very low risk to children, even used that as an argument for opening schools etc, they also tell us the vaccine doesn't stop you spreading the virus (or getting it - I think), and now they're advising vaccinating those who really don't need the vaccine (yet, anyway).

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