Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

When did we ever have it?

The country is ruled by Civil Servants who laugh at election times, because all that ever changes is the Ministers name on their department stationery. When you add in the power of specific lobby groups to scare the bejaysus out of our elected political reps, then you can see why we actually never have proper political leadership.

We have political reps who hide behind the un-elected others who actually make the decisions because it then suits them not to question those decisions, and they also blow with the wind generated by whatever lobby group is making the most noise and potential electoral traction. This has always been the case, in the current covid situation and forever previously.

It's not just because of Covid that we should question the calibre of our representatives. They are spineless and self serving, the whole lot of them.

Tomas Ryan was being rolled out on a few of the news bulletins I heard this morning. The man was almost giddy at the news hospital numbers were rising. Its as if they want things to get bad again so they can preach to us how we need to lockdown again and eradicate the virus.

different Hospitals, different systems. but not the same for all.

Over the last year anyone who suggested that the numbers in hospital included people "with" covid as opposed to being in hospital "because of" covid were demonised as conspiracy theorists and tinfoil hatters.

That’s interesting,will NPHET take any of their guidance aboard.

like **** they will

i know other tests have been in the works. The only thing in the release was that you can’t differentiate between the flu and Covid. So if you test positive, it doesn’t mean you have Covid, but you might.

There is definitely something more. So this might not be quite the good standard we are led to believe. Since they are withdrawing their EUA, it will be a while before they get around to publishing it.

It’ll be interesting to see what media outlets do. I’ve a feeling they’ll bury it and spin the new testing methods going forward.

Opening up will push up cases. The UK level of vaccination was not that high when it started, plus they had the Euros. Ours held steady for a few months and even the increase are not that alarming.

People need to read the articles. Currently in the US they were using tests that were approved under EUA. They have now approved many other PCR tests for Covid and they will be withdrawing the EUA at the end of the year for the current one. So labs will have to stop using the EUA test and use the other many approved ones instead. They are not stopping testing for Covid and people assuming a positive covid test could be covid or the flu is ridiculous.

They have new assays/tests which can detect Covid and the flu, meaning someone with respiratory symptoms can have 1 test, the lab will process it once and the result will tell them if they are positive for Covid, positive for the flu, positive for both or negative for both etc...

We use RT-PCR here for Covid cases here. It will still be used in the US for the next few months and then will cease afterwards in regards to testing for Covid. if you look at the link it forwards you to the FDA for other options. I followed on saying other tests have been in the works /getting approved, which makes sense as the pcr tests are invasive.

But essentially the gold standard, which is dictating our lives, is to be stopped because it’s not good enough and has issues differentiating (in fairness it is costly to take every positive swab and sequence it) between Covid / non-Covid. The miss differentiation has to be high enough that they would make this call. You may not like that, but that’s the reality.

That is now debatable, because of Delta, but it may well be at a much lower level.

So the way the hospital figures are been massaged does that mean the hospitals never actually were overwhelmed and it was just people getting treated in hospital for other reasons who happened to be positive????

HSE mixed up my 2nd dose appointment and now it is 18 days from the 1st one

I had rearrange my original appointment and now the 2nd is falling 30 days from the original first one

Would you go ahead and get it on day 18 or should i rearrange??

Hospital numbers haven't been massaged. Anyone who had any knowledge of the hospital system knew that there were a small percentage of people in hospital who came in with something and happened to test positive on admission. I said it months ago that it was happening and that if your a positive case in a hospital your counted as a case as long as your there... but anyway that was a small number, the hospitals were absolutely under pressure, speak to anyone who's worked in covid wards in the various surges, they're drained still physically and mentally from the impact of covid, in particular the Christmas surge which was very grim in hospitals from those I've been talking to. In some cases that I know of multiple family members were in beds beside each other and some didn't make it.

Yes a number of people picked up covid in hospital and yes a number of people just so happened to test positive when admitted for something else but that doesn't change what the hospitals went through in months gone by

Yeah i know i could but if i just go ahead with 18 days then at least it's over and done with!

Just wondering what others would do!