Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

I am an oldie and don’t ever remember demanding that business keep younger people out . I didn’t make the rules .

This whinging about a few weeks delay to get an indoor pint or dinner is childish. People need to grow up, we are in a pandemic, it's not over yet, and businesses are trying to survive.

I know full well too that a lot of the noise being generated is by hard-core anti-vaxxers who see this as a wedge issue - it's not young people waiting for their vaccine who are threatening to burn down pubs which open. There's also potentially some sharp practices going on with certain pubs who conveniently have large outdoor areas talking about how they "will not facilitate discrimination".

I remember this thread a year ago and there were some posters going on about how we might never have vaccines. One prominent poster was posting claptrap about young people never again having social contact and how the human race was going to die out.

If there is one thing this pandemic has taught us, it's that planning longer than a few weeks or months in advance is largely a waste of time, and so is mistaking short-term measures with some sort of long-term plan. It's not "treating children like lepers" and we are not losing "one of the great joys of life" - we're talking about a series of short-term measures to allow businesses to reopen safely while we vaccinate 60,000 people a day and win the fight against this new variant.

Something new might happen over the next few weeks (good or bad), and I expect we will also react to that. There is some hope that Delta waves might be ending in a few countries already, and if that is replicated here we could be looking at a relatively rapid lifting of restrictions.

We don't know that. We know they are less likely to get infected or severely ill, but children do get infected (are you aware of school outbreaks at all?), some do get sick, and the health authorities may make the decision to vaccinate certain age groups. The government is taking a chance by allowing them into indoors locations and they know it. You are the one who used the word "threat", not me.

Not long now lads. A meaningful Christmas is looking good. 🎅

The reason for caution with children is that they do get infected and they do infect others, no one wants anyone excluded from society but there are risks to be balanced, those that dont want to get vaccinated do risk being excluded from certain activities while the Government has gone against NOHET and have allowed those under 18 to eat indoors once they are with a vaccinated person, they know there is a higher risk of transmission by doing this but they have decided it is a risk worth taking until such time as everyone has been offered a vaccine.

This makes absolutely no sense

It’s ok to keep fcuking them over because we did it before

Insane logic

ah it’s an anti alcohol agenda it seems

What number of cases would you be happy to reopen indoor dining?

In regard to your last paragraph, do you realise that there is overlap of the two ‘groups’ m, despite the media and many on here trying to polarise everything, and discredit all opposition to dystopian measures as anti vaxxers. I took the vaccine, I’m disgusted and angry about the vaccine passes, and I will never show mine. Not that I’ll need to, this will be defeated by being ignored, at least in rural Ireland. People generally are more sensible that the shower of idiots governing us.

No I have no idea of transmitting rate. My point was about the actual effects of the disease on children. They are effected worse by flu than covid.

So my question is why are you so worried about them transmitting the disease during indoor dining if everyone else is vaccinated? I'd ask NPHET the same question is I could.

I'm firmly of the belief that excluding them from indoor services (play areas, swimming pools, indoor dining) is serving them worse than any covid disease will ever effect them. It's ridiculous nonsense to suggest they are safer in a classroom of 30 of their peers (all unvaccinated) than in a restaurant with similar numbers with majority vaccinated?!

In the same logic hospitals were just as full before covid

I'm sure some young people have had it bad. I'm also sure some young people had a grand old time getting paid the pup and not having to work, and they still socialised - some even moreso than before, given all the free time they had. Exams cancelled or impossible to fail because of the "trauma" and, moreso, admin headaches.

Some people of all age groups had it tough. Some died, some lost their livelihoods, some couldn't go to the pub. The young people may well leave in their droves, but it'll largely be for the same reasons they've always left. If I were a nurse, granted, the covid experience would definitely make me less inclined to stay. Ditto some other front line jobs. But the martyred youth is a bit overplayed.