Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

Trying to reason with your average NPHET bootlicker is like trying to convince someone they're following the wrong religion. They just "know", and seem to be mentally incapable of processing the fact that not all choices in life are binary.

Eg: If someone with their child's welfare in mind considers the fact that's there's a minor risk associated with vaccinating a child, to no benefit at all to the child, they must be "an anti-vaxxer" and deserve to catch a new strain of covid.

In a way it must be great to be so simple of mind.

In the space of just two posts you've branded anyone that considers a viewpoint that differs from your own, as in relates to children they're the guardians of no less, as "evil", and gone on to say you hope a new covid strain comes along to target them specifically.

Would you consider yourself an extremist at all?

'cannot complain when opting out also means having to miss out on other parts of society'

I don't really care about indoor dining, but I do care about a two tier society in which I pay hefty taxes to be part of the system/society. Using a vaccination is a choice, not mandated, and should not be used to exclude people.

People who have had Covid have significant brain injuries, even in "mild" cases according to the report linked below from the Lancet. I'm not qualified to give any medical opinions, but anyone who suggests this is just a flu, or there are no risks to getting Covid, is just not following the emerging evidence.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00324-2/fulltext

No, not those either due to the unfortunate clotting issues. I know the risk figures are small before you enlighten me.

Not sure what this has to do with parents vaccinating kids, but in any case the study is clearly based on subjects with "severe COVID-19" so it's hardly surprising there will be residual effects, similar to say severe pneumonia.

Fortunately most that contract covid won't experience severe effects (or "long covid") , not dissimilar to how most healthy people that catch the flu won't develop severe pneumonia.

Not to downplay it for those that do yes its bad for sure, likely though, no it's not so no need for exaggeration. Again not clear what this study (mean age of 47) has to do with vaccinating kids.

What are you talking about, we've 20+ months of data and it's completely conclusive that kids are absolutely lowest risk.

The first result of a cursory Google..

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57766717

I mean need I go on? It's common knowledge. .

And here I thought denial of science was reserved for "anti-vaxxers".

The study you linked isnt relevant to this at all.

Do the vaccines not reduce the transmissibility of the virus no?

would this not be the main reason for giving kids the vaccines?

Me creating a straw man, after you posting a link to study about the brains of 47 year olds with long covid in the children vaccine thread? ...OK.

There's plenty we don't know about long term Covid (or the vaccines) in adults and kids. There's also plenty we do know from the data and experience we do have.

You seem to be suggesting parents vaccinate their kids on a "what if" basis. Im suggesting that everything we do know (a lot) should be taken into account, and that points to healthy children themselves not needing it due to being the lowest risk.

Your study again brings nothing to the table in this thread apart from perhaps this strawman argument: "what if this somehow happens to children, even though there's no data to suggest it will".

The idea of mass vaccinations is to reduce the overall levels of virus in the community. We vaccinate for measles and a number of other diseases even though we can't eliminate them, but the vaccination is effective enough at reducing the level of virus in circulation and reduce the risk of coming into contact with it. Herd immunity for Covid would be nice, but looks unlikely unfortunately with Delta, but that doesn't mean we simply allow the virus to circulate freely in society by having large numbers of unvaccinated people for the virus to find.

The vaccines were trialled to see whether they prevented disease only as that what was the world needed urgently. Of course reducing transmission was also an aim, and thankfully they do - even if you do get infected while vaccinated it is likely the vaccines will reduce the length of time you are infectious, or suppress the amount of virus you are expelling into the environment.

I guess this attitude will become louder as those who want a vaccine have all had one and the rate plateaus. The anti-vaxxers will dig their heels in and moan about civil liberties.

However, your vaccine status is not just your business. You're exposing other people to danger and you're prolonging the pandemic.

In our society, we're lucky to be able to do pretty much anything we want so long as you're not hurting anyone else. You can smoke 50 King Size a day but you can't do it where others get your second hand smoke. You don't need fully comp car insurance but you do need third party. You can drink 20 pints but you can't drive home. None of these rules are there to protect you, they're there to protect everyone else from you.

If you make the decision, in the face of all the scientific and medical evidence, that you don't want a vaccine, that's fine - but don't expect the rest of us to carry the risk, which is essentially what you're asking.

The vaccine take up shows that most of us are happy to take the carrot. For others, well, I guess the stick has to come out.

I don't know if you had meant to quote me there? But no, I think it will eventually become like the flu, always there to some extent and we just manage it. I think it's gone too far to simply disappear.