Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

If you’re a 40 something year old, you could’ve been fully vaxxed by now. Was it the talk of vaccine passports for restaurants that prompted you to take the vaccine?

I see you ignored most of what I said in a favour of another sermon on the meaning of discrimination. The completely patched up nature of this approach says all there is about a plan.

Hospitality are now expected to enforce a law that prevents them serving those who could consider themselves their customers. Spoke to a publican last week, he'll be pleased now it's happening, but knowing his customers he said he will be unlikely to push this too hard. There are also, according to their representative body, up to 25% passing on this approach and will wait for at least six more weeks. Let's not forget too that this measure is off the back of a set of models that are probably already wrong seeing as we didn't open on July 5th yet NPEHT seem of no mind to even look at them.

First dose of AZ was 9 weeks ago. Getting done through work. You’re right i could be fully vaxed a week ago if I’d been picky and held out for Pfizer instead via the HSE. Advice at the time was to take the first vaccine I was offered though.

The "patched up nature of this approach" was because we failed to plan for this, even though the idea of a vaccine pass was something many of us thought would be inevitable. But no, Ireland was special and we weren't going to discriminate, and of course we were going to throw open indoor locations to everyone.

If we had less moralising a few months ago and a bit more reality we'd have had a more robust plan.

I heard a publican earlier saying that many of her elderly customers were asking whether she would be enforcing the vaccination requirements - as otherwise they wouldn't be comfortable entering the pub. It's not all one-way traffic.

I don't think the thought process in government nor NPHET got past Christmas as a predicted outcome. That in conjunction with a set of numbers that still look completely unreal has brought about this measure. I had no great enthusiasm for the whole inquiry into NPHET for most of this, but their behaviour this year does warrant a lot of questions, especially how we've hitched ourselves to the British "plan".

I'm actually a fan of moralising myself as it makes you consider the importance of can V should and what that says about us.

Are people calling anyone not vaccinated anti-vax? I thought (though I may well have missed stuff, especially on this poxy new site), that people were levelling the anti-vax accusations against people like yesterday's "I don't need a vaccine, I have an immune system", "I don't need a vaccine, the blood of Jesus runs through my veins", "I identify as vaccinated", "The government is adding fluoride to the water to make the population more docile" (allegedly the masks also reduce oxygen flow and make you more docile), "If you take vitamins, you don't need a vaccine", "The government are trying to take out children" slogan-bearers etc?

We asked already. Schedule not changing. It’s only a couple of weeks away and like I say hopefully the weather holds till I’m fully done. And my even bigger hope is that once we get everyone a vaccine that wants one, we abandon this pass nonsense and get back to a rational approach to drinking/dining, and heaven forbid,don’t extend it into other areas of everyday life !

These case numbers now seem flat and apart from a bit of a rise in admissions still no great alarm.

You are fighting enemies which do not exist in the main outside of the online circus.

Not everyone who declines the vaccine or is uncomfortable with the passport ideas are the same as the lunatics who turn up at the gamma o'doherty protests.

There are many people who are uncomfortable with the vaccines and if they don't want one then that is their right.

The coercive techniques being employed at the moment are unlikely to change their minds.

Edit: also, I never mentioned discrimination in my previous post. You inserted that in there in your rage and anger. It kinda illustrated what I am talking about.

There are a lot of people fighting windmills at the moment. On both sides of the argument.

I don't know where you are getting "rage and anger" from - the only people I see raging and angry are the ones shouting into megaphones in Dublin city centre.

Most of the rest of us just wanted to be protected from your choices and frankly don't care all that much about what your views are. For a group who are very clear about how little they care about everyone else, the anti-vaxxers seem to be very upset about how little everyone else care about them.

Agreed on the unvaccinated children.

I think the risk to a general lifting of all restrictions is Winter, and a possible resurgence of the virus because of the environmental factors at that time. Israeli data is suggesting that people there who got vaccinated in January are largely losing their antibody protection (this is to be expected, we will still have slower-acting memory cells), and so we may need to roll out boosters for the most vulnerable people over the next few months. I could see a vaccine cert being required for many activities until Spring of next year. Large parts of Europe seem to be heading towards vaccine passports, and many are rolling back reopenings and restricting them only to vaccinated people who are less likely to spread the virus.

Well if it doesn't affect a random internet user I suddenly don't see what all the fuss has been about.

I think we could have done with better communication at explaining that the reason for the long delay in the AZ first and second vaccine is because a long gap gives much better protection with this type of vaccine. The mRNA vaccines use a different technology and a shorter gap seems to work better. There seems to have been a lot of "why are we waiting so long to get my AZ second-dose those with Pfizer get theirs within 4 weeks", as if it is a scheduling issue when all along the plan was for a delay.

Nope this random internet user don't matter much...no more than that random internet user

but like I said first world problems