Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Hearing snippets of news from my holidays. Could someone send NPHET & ISAG off on their summer break.

1. Goalpost move re vaccine and now throwing around 90% for herd immunity? What next 99.99%, 100% plus boosters, ‘Vaccine plus’ - a new ISAG concept that means we all get vaccinated & live with draconian, never ending restrictions anyway. Are they ignoring Scotland and England, which they’ve used to drum up fear re Delta variant now when it doesn’t suit?
2. Deciding to label children as ‘unvaccinated’ - this has got my blood boiling. Imagine to in-still this kind of language in people, to attack a family unit, to attempt to shame families and restaurants into ‘making their own decisions’. Imagine for children who are aware of what is going on somewhat, picking up on cues of ‘vaccinated diners’, stares, frowns, etc. What an utter disgrace of a suggestion from NPHET, and the language being used is clearly just a ploy to try and force children into taking a vaccine they don’t need.
3. Why isn’t NPHET adjusting their infamous modelling scenario on Delta based on Scotland’s and England numbers this week. The modelling has formed the basis for how we live our lives this summer - for smaller weddings, closed indoor dinning & pubs, and curtailments on many more events that are supposed to be happening. They’re very quick to close down, bombard and harass the public with the help of ISAG and try and keep their ‘worrymeter ’ at top notch and not so fast to dial it back down again as required.
4. Some absolutely ridiculous comments I’ve read from public health doctors this week - Philip Nolan, “We’re getting too close”. Some Public Health HSE West doctor on Morning Ireland on Wednesday, scary scary Delta. She wouldn’t eat indoors at the moment as she wouldn’t feel ‘safe’, despite being double vaccinated.

Has the HSE hack been fixed?

I think the point about adjusting models is hugely important. Are nphet still envisaging the hospitalisation, icu and death numbers they forecasted at the end of June. Additionally these numbers were based on indoor dining opening on July 5. When asked about numbers if it didn’t open, they didn’t have anything to produce and were to provide at a later date. Has their modelling for indoor dining not opening ever been provided? I know people will say they are just models but we are basing the opening/closing of substantial industries on their outputs.

And barely a word about it on RTE, surprise surprise.

If there was an equivalent increase in cases over there I guarantee you we'd be hearing about it.

Laughable

Has Colm suggested it with this variant? He definitely said it pre-delta alright. If he suggested it this time too it'd be excellent!

Good to see you're enjoying your holiday.

I honestly think people like you will miss the pandemic. NPHET and ISAG keep yous going constantly crying. Such hyperbolic nonsense, you get off on it.

Children are unvaccinated makes your blood boil..Jesus Christ. How do you get through the day if a basic fact makes you lose your head.

Holy Jesus. And they said herd immunity is around 85% with the delta variant but I'm sure if we went back to when Delta was first mentioned your sort would have said oh more scare mongering variants don't matter. I guess they do. They will vaccinate 16 and 17 years old. And vulnerable 12 to 15 year olds. Parents consent will be needed so it won't be your children therefore none of your business if others decide to.

Enjoy the rest of your holiday ISAG you can.

In addition to the massive chasm which is being created in society. There are some divisions happening now which will never heal.

There are also some people gone down a very coercive and authoritarian road in their belief system, such is their fear.

We have had a very strong history up to very recent times of coercive and authoritarian leadership (church). True freedom is not something we are used of, it still makes us uncomfortable and the majority of the population still prefer someone in power to just tell them what to do. This is the main reason why there has been massive compliance to the restrictions, even the crazy ones which had no impact on spread of the virus.

It is not necessarily anger towards the new legislation which concerns me as I expected it (although some who are against it have gone down a different, equally dangerous road into the conspiracy rabbit hole).

At the moment it is the opinions over what should be done to anyone who does not comply which I find very concerning.

There is a thread over on reddit Ireland with a large amount of comments which demonstrates the anger and hate which is building in some people. Some of the opinions expressed in it are just downright scary.

Luckily, so far, such opinions appear to be relatively rare in real life.

If they start to take hold in the real world, we may be in for a bumpy ride over the next few months.

I will add that the hyper-dramatic reporting from RTE and the rest is not helping in the least. Everyone is worried about radicalization in people who have gone down the conspiracy route but are ignoring an equally dangerous radicalization in those who have allowed fear of the virus to consume them totally.

We all need to calm down a bit I think before we do further serious damage to our society.

Edit: Reading some of the comments on the Journal (I know, I know), this has become a superiority thing for some people. It does not even seem like they support it for health reasons, just as long as they have someone to look down on and hate. There is a strange pleasurable spite thing going on in some of the comments.

What a sad and pathetic post.

Why so antagonistic?

We seem to have skipped a portion of time and are talking about anyone not yet vaccinated as anti-vax? We’re still 8 weeks at least from everyone who wants a vaccine being fully vaccinated I’d imagine.

I’m waiting on a second dose of AZ myself mid august. Won’t be fully vaxxed till start of September.

The whiff of superiority and judgment I’m noticing off some people (both here and IRL) who just happened to be nearer the front of the queue when vaccines were being handed out is frankly sickening. And anyone who thinks this is a temporary measure of less than 3 months is deluded.

I’ve very mixed feelings on the vaccine pass. We could have opened hospitality up months ago with it and included a negative test element. Far less discriminatory and would have made a more pleasant summer for everyone. This lastminute.com u-turn just feels laboured and desperate. But that’s been par for the course since last year. So don’t know why I’m surprised.

Hope the weather holds. So this perfectly healthy 40 something can sit outside with her cake and coffee with the rest of the great unwashed.

This "discrimination" angle is manufactured. We have always had laws, and we have always had public health laws. You have to wear a seatbelt, it's not "discrimination". Restaurants have to have certain food safety standards, it's not "discrimination". You can't force your children to work in the mines, it's not "discrimination".

It's a completely fake narrative. We regularly implement laws which restrict "freedoms" (e.g. speed limits on roads outside schools), because they are for the benefit of society. We elect governments to make those decisions, and they can be challenged in the courts who are the ultimate upholders of the Constitution. If anyone wants to take a case to the Supreme court, there is nothing stopping them. I expect however they will be laughed out of court if they challenge decisions made on public health grounds.

Good point made by an earlier poster that the 2k at the protests were dwarfed by the 62k who got vaccinated, yet all the media attention is on the first group.