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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    There was also a record low turnout in the low thirties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It looks like Scotland's deaths are coming through from the high cases a few weeks ago now. Cases seem to be falling most days also. Possibly a good country to compare Ireland with based on it's population. Quite a bit higher than now but not totally catastrophic compared to NPHET projections.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    any ground for what is considered far right ideals, is new ground.

    And what of the slap? the coup? the "you will stay home this time" regarding the unvaccinated. it's his attitude and the French are having a low uptake on the vaccines, they do not like to be pushed as we know. Also, nurses speak to doctors and health care professionals see evidence based medicine every day. should they not be listened to of all people? yes there will be fringe views but I think this widely use stick approach is just mental.


    So far, only 57% of caregivers in nursing homes and 64% of hospital personnel have been vaccinated in France, according to the French Hospital Federation. With the risk of a fourth wave looming, pressure is growing for all healthcare professionals to get the jab. But many remain reluctant, sharing their concerns in anti-vaccination Facebook groups and on social media using the hashtag #JeNeMeVaccineraiPas (or #NotGettingVaccinated).

    Sylvie, a retirement home nurse, has refused for fear of possible side effects. “I don’t trust their gene therapy. There’s not enough hindsight about the vaccine. It’s still experimental and humans are being used as guinea pigs. To me, it’s toxic,” she told FRANCE 24.

    Martin, a psychiatric ward nurse, shares these fears. “We can’t be certain that there are no side effects in the medium and long term,” he said. “The vaccinations should only be for those at risk, like the elderly and people with underlying health issues," he said, stressing that he was not anti-vaccine in general and was up to date with all his other shots. Half of his colleagues shared this view, he said, and the issue has become a contentious one. “What will happen to those who refuse even if it is required?” he asked, saying such a law could “lead to a wave of resignations”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Why do you feel that Israel thing is big news? Israel is famously insular anyway, but they're also falling behind in vaccination numbers, so they're just doing what they can to prevent a delta surge.

    The Spanish Supreme Court hasn't declared all lockdowns unconstitutional. It has declared their first lockdown unconstitutional because the government didn't follow the correct process. Something like one house or parliament declared a national emergency, but the constitution requires both houses to declare a super-emergency. So lockdowns in Spain are perfectly legal once the correct process is followed.

    This is not a huge story.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    This is unfortunately the gamble you play with zero covid. Don't we have a poster here who's based in Vietnam?

    A lot of those Southeast Asian countries have been applauded for their response and how they've managed to keep covid suppressed, but in many ways it's a bit like that famous IRA speech. The countries engaging in zero covid need to be lucky every time to avoid outbreaks. Covid only needs to get lucky once before it's out of control.

    Australia likewise seems to be starting to struggle with Delta. If they can't get it under control again hopefully, as has been suggested by some, Delta results in less illness than its ancestors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    This relates to viral vector vaccines, is it the case also for MRNA?



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its interesting to note there has been a phalanx of posters going after mRNA for the past numbers of days. Its almost as if the overwhelming evidence that these are safe following billions of administered doses has somehow caused them to double down on the kool-aid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Colm Henry on transmission

    75% of cases are in people under 35 and 25% are among 19-24 year olds, where he said the disease is "thriving". 2.9% are in people aged over 65.

    He also said

     "What really matters is what proportion of the vaccinated population can catch Covid. We know the vaccines we use are at least 90% effective against the most serious aspects of Covid ... so a much smaller proportion of individuals are going to be admitted."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Study also states

    ‘Roughly 84% to 91% of people who developed antibodies against the original strains of coronavirus were unlikely to be infected again for six months, even after a mild infection. People who had no symptoms during the infection are also likely to develop immunity, though they tend to make fewer antibodies than those who felt ill. So for some people, natural immunity may be strong and long-lasting.’

    and if you notice when it comes to comparisons between natural immunity and vaccine immunity at the bottom of the article, there is no mention of t-cell immunity- only antibodies.

    Am fully vaccinated, for context, but studies need to be drilled into before being manipulated as fact.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Ok. I’m not one of those. If you are going to post proof of vaccination providing better protection than previous infection you must acknowledge the proof should past muster?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Are we there yet though? I genuinely **despise** the "2 weeks are critical" kinda language we've been hearing but I'm still a fraction uneasy about letting loose 100%. Not arguing with you either btw buddy. Just on the fence 😂😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    When was everyone made aware that following vaccination their information would be shared with revenue?

    And the HSE with a yearly budget of 20 billion, tens of thousands of staff, offices in every town in the country, plus the dept of health arent able to send a bunch of letters??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Revenue do mass postings all the time. This is a one off and the HSE infrastructure is creaky to say the least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    You don't have to be made aware of this. And no, the HSE should not be doing this just because they've been given loads of money. If you've ever had to deal with the HSE over mail, you'd know that they're really, really bad at it.

    It's bread and butter for Revenue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    Dont think government agencies should be sharing personal info without obtaining consent. The HSE sent out letters all the time, for example any time anyone goes to A&E for example they receive correspondence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    What information have Revenue now got that they didn’t have before . Well apart from the fact that you are vaccinated ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭greyday


    A good breakdown of vaccinated against non vaccinated hospitalisations and deaths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Do you work in The Mater ? If not you have no idea the reasons they are there .


    When numbers are so little there can be discrepancies everywhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    You know thats obviously not the point I'm making. The HSE shouldnt be sharing people's vaccination info with revenue, and certainly not without obtaining consent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    What point are you making so ? So Revenue now know you are vaccinated ?? Eeek

    So does the bartender when you go for a pint or the restaurant owner !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Well you'll be sharing them with Mary in the local café from next week so what exactly is the problem? Do you have intimate knowledge of how much access Revenue has to this data? It really sounds like data sent to an automated print run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Well, I suppose the very best approach would have been to suppress covid (like New Zealand, Australia, Vietnam) and also have really quick vaccine roll-out. But no country in the world has managed that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    Revenue don't know your vaccine status. The Department of Health just used their printers!

    The alternative was to not use a big state-owned printing system that's sitting there doing nothing in particular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Do you seriously think anyone in Revenue is keeping track of the information? they're just issuing letters. Its a very sensible approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,131 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    UK has started to level out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Why not? It's perfectly legal to do so. On what basis do you think your consent should be obtained?



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    they've always sought to take privacy for granted. regina doherty dismissed the data commissioners findings and insisted they misinterpreted the law so she could push through biometric tech on ID cards.


    Regina Doherty goes to war with Data Protection Commissioner as damning report on Public Services Card published - Irish Mirror Online


    "The Minister for Social Protection is ignoring the DPC's recommendations on the PSC scheme in a 'staggering' move"



    I know this is not connected, but it seems even when it seems illegal to do something, they still say actual experts in the data commissioners, who's very job it was to investigate this, "misinterpreted the law" sounds to me that GOVT don't mind bending it until it breaks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I do appreciate that the DoH has a poor recent record in terms of privacy & data. But in this case, this is no different to a company hiring a private printing company to run off a large mailshot. It doesn't require the consent of the individuals who are being contacted, it just requires that the company doing the printing adhere to GDPR too.

    This means that while Revenue are permitted to take this data and print it out, they would not be permitted to use it for other purposes (i.e. cross-referencing with their own data) without consent.



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