Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645235#Comment_117645235

It's all over the shop and to be honest the true efficacy is reavealing itself. We all new the 99% efficacy claims by Pharma et all was just to sell the product.

I saw isreal saying their jab de jour is about 50% effective now and the will need booster for the elderly at least.

This is a 4th stage trial from 1-4 years in the general population from my understanding. I never believed the high efficacy numbers at all and now we can see how many are contracting Covid as easily as before albeit, it;s not sending them to hospitals which is the good thing and the real aim.

With all the young Olympians and footballers contracting covid for instance, imagine the worry what with 1 in 7 "sufferings from debilitating" ling covid....

It's so horrendous that many of them are competing in races at elite world class level and not so much as a sneeze.. they're popping up from routine testing. They might as well take a herpes or cold sore test for all the damage covid is doing on them.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646192#Comment_117646192

ehhh NO they did not, nor will they. They're in the business of covid promotions and protections, not the truth.

Govt will say "look this is what Europe and the UK are doing" and use it as an excuse to push unconstitutional measures in further.

anyone who wants to start talking about natural immunity Vs the vaccines should realise that if indeed this virus was engineered, then we're either all

in the dark or the vaccines were under lock and key before it got out. The WHO want to go into WUHAN again but the chinese are not for turning.

This leak theory has officially got legs, even Facebook now listed it's discussion as credible and not conspiracy fodder.

redlad12

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645841#Comment_117645841

I'm pretty sure the original aim was to prevent infections?

HildaOgdenx

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645518#Comment_117645518

Yes, according to the attached.

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/moderna/

Wolf359f

Does anyone know where the Journal has gotten the total in hospital with Covid that are fully vaccinated?

They are reporting 18 are in hospital with covid and are fully vaccinated.

The updated HSE reports only give new fully vaccinated figures over a 24hr period and not a running total.

I also notice the new confirmed cases on the Hub is 26 but the new HSE report indicates 18 new cases total, of which 8 are full vaccinated.

Is this going to be the new "does the number in hospital include ICU figures or are they separate" question!

bodhrandude

What's this I'm hearing about France, come August if your over 12 years old, you will need to show your vaccinated in order to use the supermarkets. Isn't that just a wee bit over the top.

Speak Now

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645518#Comment_117645518

Both the same, 4 weeks.

Lucas Hood

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646372#Comment_117646372

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-21-july-2021.pdf

Page 7 of this.

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646389#Comment_117646389

They are vaccinating 12-15 year olds so it's consistent with the rest of their approach. It may be a dubious approach but it's consistent.

CalamariFritti

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646305#Comment_117646305

Go back and read up on the pre-release test criteria. Preventing infections wasn't in the goals/requirements. Mitigation of symptoms was.

is_that_so

Vietnam, not good there now, dismally low vaccination rate.

https://twitter.com/paimadhu/status/1417661703479861256?s=24

redlad12

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646592#Comment_117646592

Fair enough! Looks like they have succeeded with that

muddypuppy

Ireland is back to red to the ECDC map as we've above a total positivity rate of 4%. Not that it really matters a lot now (it's not really used for anything)

TefalBrain

The vaccines have been a wonderful success of that there is zero doubt, way beyond my expectations. The evidence is there that nations who have been slow with uptake like Australia and Vietnam etc... are having real problems now.

For us here this as good as over as the numbers being admitted to hospital is tiny and the deaths are the same. Time to drop the last remaining silly measures and let us get on with life now.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646389#Comment_117646389

nope, have a look at how macron spoke to the medical staff of France, who have a less than 50% vaccine uptake by the way.

consider this, his leadership has been the subject of a cause for Coup talk within military circles. He has been slapped in the face in public recently.

he has a far right rival in marine le pen making huge ground off the back of his policies, France is a one to watch indeed. Notice they said it's in August and according to Boris, by September you'll need one to go clubbing or to an indoor evernt with crowds..consider the most crowded place in london is the underground..you'll need it travel too in this case. If nightclubs need to ask for them, then they're put at a trading disadvantage maybe, so pibs will then need to ask for them too.. pretty soon we'll have Leo out telling us..Our good neighbors and our European friends have normalised these measures so we must adopt them in turn to save lives! save your lives, your father, your sister, your wife..

now you have to check your wedding guests are all vaccinated...shocking stuff.

Wolf359f

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646512#Comment_117646512

That only shows the number in a 24hr period, not how many in total.

Amirani

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646946#Comment_117646946

The far right in France, La Pen etc., aren't doing well or "making huge ground". They only had regional elections across France recently and both Macron's En Marche party and La Pen's Rassemblement National did terribly.

Any losses for Macron are going to the more traditional (Socialist etc.) parties. The Far Right actually underperformed polls and lost vote share; they didn't win a single regional presidency.

brickster69

https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1418194878962577412

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117647093#Comment_117647093

There was also a record low turnout in the low thirties.

brickster69

It looks like Scotland's deaths are coming through from the high cases a few weeks ago now. Cases seem to be falling most days also. Possibly a good country to compare Ireland with based on it's population. Quite a bit higher than now but not totally catastrophic compared to NPHET projections.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117647093#Comment_117647093

any ground for what is considered far right ideals, is new ground.

And what of the slap? the coup? the "you will stay home this time" regarding the unvaccinated. it's his attitude and the French are having a low uptake on the vaccines, they do not like to be pushed as we know. Also, nurses speak to doctors and health care professionals see evidence based medicine every day. should they not be listened to of all people? yes there will be fringe views but I think this widely use stick approach is just mental.

So far, only 57% of caregivers in nursing homes and 64% of hospital personnel have been vaccinated in France, according to the French Hospital Federation. With the risk of a fourth wave looming, pressure is growing for all healthcare professionals to get the jab. But many remain reluctant, sharing their concerns in anti-vaccination Facebook groups and on social media using the hashtag #JeNeMeVaccineraiPas (or #NotGettingVaccinated).

Sylvie, a retirement home nurse, has refused for fear of possible side effects. “I don’t trust their gene therapy. There’s not enough hindsight about the vaccine. It’s still experimental and humans are being used as guinea pigs. To me, it’s toxic,” she told FRANCE 24.

Martin, a psychiatric ward nurse, shares these fears. “We can’t be certain that there are no side effects in the medium and long term,” he said. “The vaccinations should only be for those at risk, like the elderly and people with underlying health issues," he said, stressing that he was not anti-vaccine in general and was up to date with all his other shots. Half of his colleagues shared this view, he said, and the issue has become a contentious one. “What will happen to those who refuse even if it is required?” he asked, saying such a law could “lead to a wave of resignations”.

seamus

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646192#Comment_117646192

Why do you feel that Israel thing is big news? Israel is famously insular anyway, but they're also falling behind in vaccination numbers, so they're just doing what they can to prevent a delta surge.

The Spanish Supreme Court hasn't declared all lockdowns unconstitutional. It has declared their first lockdown unconstitutional because the government didn't follow the correct process. Something like one house or parliament declared a national emergency, but the constitution requires both houses to declare a super-emergency. So lockdowns in Spain are perfectly legal once the correct process is followed.

This is not a huge story.

seamus

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646617#Comment_117646617

This is unfortunately the gamble you play with zero covid. Don't we have a poster here who's based in Vietnam?

A lot of those Southeast Asian countries have been applauded for their response and how they've managed to keep covid suppressed, but in many ways it's a bit like that famous IRA speech. The countries engaging in zero covid need to be lucky every time to avoid outbreaks. Covid only needs to get lucky once before it's out of control.

Australia likewise seems to be starting to struggle with Delta. If they can't get it under control again hopefully, as has been suggested by some, Delta results in less illness than its ancestors.

Stormyteacup

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645081#Comment_117645081

This relates to viral vector vaccines, is it the case also for MRNA?

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117647398#Comment_117647398

Its interesting to note there has been a phalanx of posters going after mRNA for the past numbers of days. Its almost as if the overwhelming evidence that these are safe following billions of administered doses has somehow caused them to double down on the kool-aid

is_that_so

Colm Henry on transmission

75% of cases are in people under 35 and 25% are among 19-24 year olds, where he said the disease is "thriving". 2.9% are in people aged over 65.

He also said

 "What really matters is what proportion of the vaccinated population can catch Covid. We know the vaccines we use are at least 90% effective against the most serious aspects of Covid ... so a much smaller proportion of individuals are going to be admitted."

Stormyteacup

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645176#Comment_117645176

Study also states

‘Roughly 84% to 91% of people who developed antibodies against the original strains of coronavirus were unlikely to be infected again for six months, even after a mild infection. People who had no symptoms during the infection are also likely to develop immunity, though they tend to make fewer antibodies than those who felt ill. So for some people, natural immunity may be strong and long-lasting.’

and if you notice when it comes to comparisons between natural immunity and vaccine immunity at the bottom of the article, there is no mention of t-cell immunity- only antibodies.

Am fully vaccinated, for context, but studies need to be drilled into before being manipulated as fact.

Stormyteacup

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117647420#Comment_117647420

Ok. I’m not one of those. If you are going to post proof of vaccination providing better protection than previous infection you must acknowledge the proof should past muster?

funnydoggy

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646786#Comment_117646786

Are we there yet though? I genuinely **despise** the "2 weeks are critical" kinda language we've been hearing but I'm still a fraction uneasy about letting loose 100%. Not arguing with you either btw buddy. Just on the fence 😂😅

M three

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643501#Comment_117643501

When was everyone made aware that following vaccination their information would be shared with revenue?

And the HSE with a yearly budget of 20 billion, tens of thousands of staff, offices in every town in the country, plus the dept of health arent able to send a bunch of letters??