Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

stephenjmcd

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642801#Comment_117642801

You do know if they've had a lab confirmed covid test they only need 1 dose anyway.

Guess what I'm a young male and had pfizer... no enlarged heart so why would it be wiser not to take a vaccine on the basis of a very rare side effect. There's very rare side effects to every vaccine and every medicine, guess what we still take them though.

Your post reads like it's straight off some anti vax Facebook page

stephenjmcd

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642863#Comment_117642863

Yup indeed will be in the numbers

Wolf359f

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642863#Comment_117642863

They used to report admissions with covid and positive cases detected in hospital separately, now it's just people in hospital with covid.

amandstu

Have we a breakdown of cases by county yet?

I see figures being given out today for Donegal,Galway etc

Can we see them directly somewhere even though the Cobid app is not showing them yet?

iamwhoiam

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642773#Comment_117642773

What medical data ? The fact you were vaccinated ???

seamus

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642773#Comment_117642773

Revenue are sending out the physical certs because they're one of the few departments left with large-scale facilities for printing and posting.

The HSE doesn't have the hardware, manpower or experience to post out a million personalised documents in a short space of time. Revenue do, they do it nearly every week.

It is perfectly legal for a data controller to engage a third party to handle your data in this way.

Vicxas

India. Just stop

https://www.thejournal.ie/india-black-fungus-45000-cases-5501964-Jul2021/

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642889#Comment_117642889

Yes, it would be wiser for young people who have had covid not to take vaccines.

How do you know your heart hasnt been affected, enlarged hearts in young males is a reported side effect of the pfizer vaccine.

If young people get covid abroad many take antigen tests to confirm it. Its quite difficult to get a covid recovery cert as you must get it within whichever EU country you were diagnosed with covid.

Hence the young people who have recovered from covid are now rushing to take an unnecessary vaccine, if they dont they will not be able to attend restaurants and pubs indoors.

The young people have been so badly treated, antigen tests should be available to everyone who wants to socialise indoors.

There will be a massive exodus of young graduates from Ireland and we will feel their loss, this country is being run with the interests of the elderly to the fore front, its young people who are more important.

hmmm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643780#Comment_117643780

Several studies have shown that vaccinations give a much stronger immune memory than a Covid infection. It has been a recommendation for quite a while that people who have had Covid should get vaccinated, and they'll be in a much better position to be protected in the event of a future infection.

Your scare-mongering about heart issues is just that. A small number of cases, jumped on by anti-vaxxers.

Thankfully younger people are less likely to fall for nonsense than unfortunately many older people have been - it's been great to see so many getting vaccinated, we'll be in a great place as a country in a few weeks.

Do you not want side effects of vaccines to be reported.

why do you day we will be in a great place in a few weeks time, the Dept of Education had said children will be returning to school in pods, that doesnt sound great to me, do you have children yourself.

There has been little information on whats happening at Third Level though a lecturer told me everyone will be masked all day indoors and any student without a mask will be escorted off the premises.

we have no extra capacity built up and our immune systems have been weakened, we will have flu and covid and thousands of people presenting with advanced cancer.

I and many others are watching the days shorten in dread of what winter will bring, we know our health service is totally dysfunctional, this is the real reason we still cant sit indoors in a cafe, I wish I shared your optimism.

petes

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643780#Comment_117643780

The way you say it is if it's a common side effect, it isn't.

CalamariFritti

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643981#Comment_117643981

Several studies have shown that vaccinations give a much stronger immune memory than a covid infection?

Sorry, maybe it's me being ignorant, but that makes no sense at all. Maybe you could link some of those 'several studies'?

And no I am not 'against' vaccinations, I am vaccinated myself. But that sounds like a vaccine sales pitch more than anything to me. I would want to see very strong evidence for that before I believe it.

cheezums

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117644498#Comment_117644498

Are you taking the piss or what? Live your life ffs. Its over. Channel your longing for doom towards climate change or something, plenty there to get your teeth into.

Pablo Escobar

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117644943#Comment_117644943

It has been attributed to steroid use since it first emerged. They just subtly allude to it at the bottom of the article.

namloc1980

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117644976#Comment_117644976

I've seen posters declaring Covid is over for a year now and it still isn't over....far from it.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117644963#Comment_117644963

"Any infection initially activates a non-specific innate immune response, in which white blood cells trigger inflammation. This may be enough to clear the virus. But in more prolonged infections, the adaptive immune system is activated. Here, T and B cells recognise distinct structures (or antigens) derived from the virus. T cells can detect and kill infected cells, while B cells produce antibodies that neutralise the virus.

During a primary infection – that is, the first time a person is infected with a particular virus – this adaptive immune response is delayed. It takes a few days before immune cells that recognise the specific pathogen are activated and expanded to control the infection.

Some of these T and B cells, called memory cells, persist long after the infection is resolved. It is these memory cells that are crucial for long-term protection. In a subsequent infection by the same virus, the memory cells get activated rapidly and induce a robust and specific response to block the infection.

A vaccine mimics this primary infection, providing antigens that prime the adaptive immune system and generating memory cells that can be activated rapidly in the event of a real infection. However, as the antigens in the vaccine are derived from weakened or noninfectious material from the virus, there is little risk of severe infection.

Vaccines have other advantages over natural infections. For one, they can be designed to focus the immune system against specific antigens that elicit better responses.

For instance, the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine elicits a stronger immune response than infection by the virus itself. One reason for this is that the vaccine contains high concentrations of a viral coat protein, more than what would occur in a natural infection. This triggers strongly neutralising antibodies, making the vaccine very effective at preventing infection.

The natural immunity against HPV is especially weak, as the virus uses various tactics to evade the host immune system. Many viruses, including HPV, have proteins that block the immune response or simply lie low to avoid detection. Indeed, a vaccine that provides accessible antigens in the absence of these other proteins may allow us to control the response in a way that a natural infection does not.

The immunogenicity of a vaccine – that is, how effective it is at producing an immune response – can also be fine tuned. Agents called adjuvants typically kick-start the immune response and can enhance vaccine immunogenicity."

https://theconversation.com/why-a-vaccine-can-provide-better-immunity-than-an-actual-infection-145476

hmmm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117644963#Comment_117644963

Here's a good summary: https://www.phillyvoice.com/delta-variant-covid-19-vaccine-natural-immunity/

Vaccines are (in general) providing a stronger, more consistent, and longer lasting response than a "natural" infection.

We've seen that also in some recent surveys of Delta where breakthrough infections are happening at a greater rate in those who previously have had the virus than those who were vaccinated.

timmyntc

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645081#Comment_117645081

That has no bearing on Covid though - you cant assume that because vaccine induced immunity is superior in one scenario, that it is better in all scenarios.

Are there studies on covid immunity - natural vs induced?

redlad12

Why don't rte say 0 deaths anymore, or the number of deaths? It was always case numbers followed by the number of deaths even if that number was zero.

iamwhoiam

I have no idea what’s happening in the UK but I know two households now who got infected . Some in the house were double vaccinated and one with one dose . Also in one house one who had Covid in March .

In that house in March no one else was positive . This time in July one person tested positive who had one dose . Three others who were double dosed tested positive , the only one who tested negative was the one who already had Covid

Of the three double doses who tested positive one had mild cold symptoms and the other two were in bed for three days with headache , body aches and cough

A similar story in the second house with two fully vaccinated being positive and the one who had Covid earlier in the year was negative

No one was severely ill or needed hospitalisation but its interesting that the only one testing negative were the people who had a confirmed case of Covid

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645225#Comment_117645225

It doesn't suit the narrative to call out 0 deaths every day and maybe 1 every few days. People wouldn't be as afraid then.

Instead, every week or so, they give a low key update in the middle of a conference and the media don't give it much attention because it won't generate clicks.

But if this latest run of cases starts to result in some deaths I think they'll be well able to let us know.

seamus

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645225#Comment_117645225

Because since the hack they don't have daily reported death figures in this way. They don't want to say "there were no deaths", because that's not accurate. The deaths may have occurred, but it hasn't been possible to report them. Some death figures are coming through, but at a guess I would say they're all in-hospital deaths rather than community deaths.

At some point, probably pretty soon, RTE will get on a nice little doom gravy train where they can report 20 deaths a day for a couple of weeks, with a tiny asterisk to note that these deaths all occurred in May or earlier.

Wolf359f

Looks like we will now know vaccinated status of admissions from the HSE hospital reports now

TheDoctor

Nice drop back in numbers over the day yesterday.

zebastein

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645341#Comment_117645341

The hack is an excuse for a lot of things these days. Vaccinations and daily numbers of cases are back, I just think that they changed the way of communicating because the old way was not relevant, the same way they moved from a conference every day to twice a week.

5000 deaths reported on 1st of July, 5026 today so deaths are reported, increasing slowly 1 by 1. There is little chance that they report a high number of deaths all of sudden. Where they would come from ? The last wave of covid in this country was 6months ago and the deaths have to be reported 3months after death maximum. Who has been dying in the last 3months ? All the 70+, and nursing homes are vaccinated since March. Difficult to find a backlog of 20 people now.

airy fairy

A bit of advice please. Son was die to go for Pfizer this morning, 50 minutes before appointment he got a text saying not Pfizer but Moderna.

Is waiting time between shots still 28 days?

CalamariFritti

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645176#Comment_117645176

Thanks for the link but I would still take that with a bit of caution. People seem to forget that the corona vaccines were not developed with the aim of preventing infections but with the aim of mitigating the few more severe reactions to it. Fewer infections were a hoped for but not promised and still unconfirmed side-effect. Therefore it should be no surprise that relaxations of restrictions still lead to higher infection numbers.

I think a lot of the problems in the public and political perception come from that. The public eye seems to have a short memory.

Tyrone212

28% of Covid-19 tests taken at Buncrana's test centre are positive.

Figures from the HSE show the highest positivity rates for self-referrals as of Tuesday evening, are in Buncrana followed by Tallaght Stadium, Dublin.

Meanwhile, Buncrana also has the highest positivity rate for walk-in testing at 23.6%.

Donegal GP Denis McCauley who is Chair of the GP Committee of the Irish Medical Organisation says the figures in Buncrana are shocking.

timmyntc

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646057#Comment_117646057

The only people going to walk in test centres are those with symptoms who almost certainly have covid - if people are on the fence about it round there they will not get tested because it means self isolation

airy fairy

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117646057#Comment_117646057

Any age group in particular?

Only good thing is that they're turning up to test, could be worse and they ignoring things.

Huge positive %age though.