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The Delta variant

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    #1532
    cheezums
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    Biscuitus wrote: »
    The problem is it could mutate into a variant that the current vaccines are ineffective against which would completely undo all the progress made so far sending is back into summer 2020.

    And an asteroid could hit us tomorrow. Why worry about this ****? What good does it achieve?


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    #1533
    brickster69
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    Holland starting a bit like Spain & Portugal 2/3 weeks ago.

    https://twitter.com/equibotanica/status/1412284788334108672

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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    #1534
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    brickster69 wrote: »
    Holland starting a bit like Spain & Portugal 2/3 weeks ago.

    https://twitter.com/equibotanica/status/1412284788334108672

    Doesn't really look like Spain and Portugal 2/3 weeks ago.

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    #1535
    ACitizenErased
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    800 less cases in Scotland today compared with last Tuesday.

    https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1412419323461881874?s=20


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    #1536
    ACitizenErased
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    "Having plateaued for around three days, the seven-day average has dropped for two days running, and now stands at 3,216. "


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    #1537
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    With all vaccines 60 odd per cent stopping delta infection its going to be difficult to keep r rate below 1. Not sure how this is going to play out.I reckon there will still be many deaths yet in europe. herd immunity is not happening.


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    #1538
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    "Having plateaued for around three days, the seven-day average has dropped for two days running, and now stands at 3,216. "

    Hopefully the "delta surge" was at least partially a function of pockets of poor vaccine uptake


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    #1539
    ACitizenErased
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    More on Scotland and some parts of England, there is some plateauing/reductions happening. Hopefully this is sustained.
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    #1540
    TonyMaloney
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    "Having plateaued for around three days, the seven-day average has dropped for two days running, and now stands at 3,216. "

    Unfortunately there's already one hospital under considerable strain.

    As double vaxxed staff will often get sick again, many hospitals are in for some challenging staffing issues again I guess.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-57735232.amp


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    #1541
    Boggles
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    The UK has recorded 28,773 new coronavirus cases, according to the latest update to the government’s Covid dashboard. That is the highest daily total on this measure since the end of January (29,079 cases on 29 January). And the total number of new cases over the past seven days is up 49% on the total for the previous week

    They will comfortably hit Javid's prediction of 50k per day by Monday week.


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    #1542
    brickster69
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    https://twitter.com/James1uk/status/1412429344534843397

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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    #1543
    brickster69
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    Boggles wrote: »
    They will comfortably hit Javid's prediction of 50k per day by Monday week.

    I thought cases don't matter anymore ?

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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    #1544
    is_that_so
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    Think this is relevant here.
    "As of the end of Monday, 86.2% of British adults had received one dose of a coronavirus vaccination and 64.3% had received two doses."

    We are at 50% and 70% respectively and are aiming for about 67% and 82% for the end of this month.


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    #1545
    OwenM
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    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Unfortunately there's already one hospital under considerable strain.

    As double vaxxed staff will often get sick again, many hospitals are in for some challenging staffing issues again I guess.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-57735232.amp

    If that is going to happen in any significant number then why bother with vaccines at all?

    Have you way to quantify 'often'?

    Or is it just procedural self isolation that might cause shortages of staff - because it seems they are dumping that now: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57733276


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    #1546
    wadacrack
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    brickster69 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/James1uk/status/1412429344534843397

    I'd be fearful of relatively harsh restrictions being brought back here in October or so. I don't think the public could handle it again.

    On the other hand vaccination rates likely to be very high by then, hopefully it will be enough


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    #1547
    brickster69
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    I'd be fearful of relatively harsh restrictions being brought back here in October or so. I don't think the public could handle it again.

    On the other hand vaccination rates likely to be very high by then, hopefully it will be enough

    At least you have a good guinea pig ;)

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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    #1548
    TonyMaloney
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    OwenM wrote: »
    If that is going to happen in any significant number then why bother with vaccines at all?

    Have you way to quantify 'often'?

    Or is it just procedural self isolation that might cause shortages of staff - because it seems they are dumping that now: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57733276

    Why bother with vaccines? To avoid severe illness and death.
    They're still fantastic at doing that.

    I can't yet quantify how often it's going to happen, but if it's occurring in one Scottish hospital it's quite likely happening in many


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    #1549
    Lyle
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    EDIT:

    My previous post here was way off, so I've deleted it. I won't be relying on that twitter page for info anymore. This is the actual hospital admissions data from various sources. It's not great, but still needs more context. Half of all admissions now are under 45 years old which hopefully means a) less or no deaths and b) a faster discharge of admissions from this age cohort.

    https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1412426776643522569?s=20

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1412427154315436037

    https://mobile.twitter.com/COVID19actuary/status/1412434233923149825


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    #1550
    brickster69
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    Spanish health ministry recommends the immediate closure of all nightclubs in Spain to the Government.

    https://www.ideal.es/sociedad/salud/sanidad-propone-cerrar-20210706173505-ntrc.html

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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    #1551
    FileNotFound
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    brickster69 wrote: »
    Spanish health ministry recommends the immediate closure of all nightclubs in Spain to the Government.

    https://www.ideal.es/sociedad/salud/sanidad-propone-cerrar-20210706173505-ntrc.html

    Imagine that - who thought a hot sweaty packed nightclub would be a bad idea.

    If spain and portugal have been at this kind of thing there numbers are going to be totally out of whack.


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    #1552
    TonyMaloney
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    FileNotFound wrote: »
    Imagine that - who thought a hot sweaty packed nightclub would be a bad idea.

    If spain and portugal have been at this kind of thing there numbers are going to be totally out of whack.

    Portugal absolutely have not. They've been ostensibly quite cautious, but unlucky.


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    #1553
    Floppybits
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    The Delta variant is dead now there is the lambda Variant.


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    #1554
    is_that_so
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    Floppybits wrote: »
    The Delta variant is dead now there is the lambda Variant.
    It's still a variant of interest not a VOC. No panic on it by the look of things.

    https://www.euronews.com/2021/07/06/lambda-what-do-we-know-about-the-latest-covid-variant-flagged-by-the-who


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    #1555
    brickster69
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    Greece cases up 150% in a week, a bit like Holland that one.

    Portugal, Spain, Cyprus and Greece looking like holidays are going to be off limits in a few weeks time. Looking inevitable to be fair.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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    #1556
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    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/decrease-in-effectiveness-of-pfizerbiontech-vaccine-reported-in-israel-40620038.html


    MRNA less effective against Delta.


    They all seem to protect 60 odd % against infection and over 90 odd % against severe illness.

    Fook all difference between any of them.

    Get the one first one available.


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    #1557
    Micky 32
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    Woody79 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/decrease-in-effectiveness-of-pfizerbiontech-vaccine-reported-in-israel-40620038.html


    MRNA less effective against Delta.


    They all seem to protect 60 odd % against infection and over 90 odd % against severe illness.

    Fook all difference between any of them.

    Get the one first one available.

    This thread maybe of some interest regarding this :

    https://twitter.com/shalituri/status/1412424696491089926?s=21


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    #1558
    ACitizenErased
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    Woody79 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/decrease-in-effectiveness-of-pfizerbiontech-vaccine-reported-in-israel-40620038.html


    MRNA less effective against Delta.


    They all seem to protect 60 odd % against infection and over 90 odd % against severe illness.

    Fook all difference between any of them.

    Get the one first one available.
    That Israel study is incredibly flawed. One commenter put it as suggesting the Delta variant was worse than Ebola.


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    #1559
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    That Israel study is incredibly flawed. One commenter put it as suggesting the Delta variant was worse than Ebola.

    If it said 100% protection, you would probably agree with study.

    More like its incredibly not what you want to hear.

    Who says its flawed? yourself becuase its not what you want to hear :rolleyes:

    Lets be honest all vaccines are around the 60% mark against this variant with regards to infection protection.

    All protect against hospitalisation by > 90% and mortality 95-99%.

    Phillip Nolan said as much a few months ago.

    Its also why 20 somethings are mad to get J&J.

    One and your done.


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    #1560
    ACitizenErased
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    Woody79 wrote: »
    If it said 100% protection, you would probably agree with study.

    More like its incredibly not what you want to hear.

    Who says its flawed? yourself becuase its not what you want to hear :rolleyes:

    Lets be honest all vaccines are around the 60% mark against this variant with regards to infection protection.

    All protect against hospitalisation by > 90% and mortality 95-99%.

    Phillip Nolan said as much a few months ago.

    Its also why 20 somethings are mad to get J&J.

    One and your done.
    Any bit of research at all can show you it's flawed.

    https://twitter.com/dvir_a/status/1412426715050172420?s=20


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    #1561
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Any bit of research at all can show you it's flawed.

    https://twitter.com/dvir_a/status/1412426715050172420?s=20

    Some lad on twitter like yourself does'nt like the study either.

    Apologies.

    Great rebuttal :pac::pac:


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