Should NPHET be disbanded ?

[Deleted User] · 06-07-2021 1:20pm #1

There was a poll on this last autumn and it was a No from boards at the time

Pwindedd · 06-07-2021 1:54pm

To clarify on my yes. I feel a board of advisors from a cross section of life such as economists, psychologists, social welfare experts etc. should replace it. Edit: as well as health, virology experts of course.
There should be no leader of this new board. A regular report can be compiled for government to aid their decisions. Meeting minutes should be made public and no member is permitted to use social media to advance or publicise their personal views. This is no longer an emergency. Time to manage and develop how we live with this.

Relax brah · 06-07-2021 1:56pm

No definitely not - they have other duties outside of covid, anyone who suggests otherwise doesn’t know what are taking about it.

It would be more dangerous to disband at this point.

An Ri rua · 06-07-2021 1:57pm

NSYnC were so I suppose it's inevitable isn't it? Tony and the Boys will re-form for the next Pandemic though.

fun loving criminal · 06-07-2021 2:00pm

What is with the hatred towards Nphet? The WHO has said we are in a dangerous part of the pandemic and it's not over yet. Yet no bitching goes on about them.

POBox19 · 06-07-2021 2:10pm

Pwindedd wrote: »

To clarify on my yes. I feel a board of advisors from a cross section of life such as economists, psychologists, social welfare experts etc. should replace it. There should be no leader of this new board. A regular report can be compiled for government to aid their decisions. Meeting minutes should be made public and no member is permitted to use social media to advance or publicise their personal views. This is no longer an emergency. Time to manage and develop how we live with this.

What would 'economists, psychologists, social welfare experts' know about public health? About as much as the elected government.

Calahonda52 · 06-07-2021 2:13pm

Pwindedd wrote: »

To clarify on my yes. I feel a board of advisors from a cross section of life such as economists, psychologists, social welfare experts etc. should replace it. There should be no leader of this new board. A regular report can be compiled for government to aid their decisions. Meeting minutes should be made public and no member is permitted to use social media to advance or publicise their personal views. This is no longer an emergency. Time to manage and develop how we live with this.

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grogi · 06-07-2021 2:13pm

POBox19 wrote: »

What would 'economists, psychologists, social welfare experts' know about public health? About as much as the elected government.

NPHET seems so preoccupied about COVID that forgets about different aspects of public health: cancer and depression to name a few.

seamus · 06-07-2021 2:21pm

Disbanding a National Public Health Emergency Team in the middle of a National Public Health Emergency, is...misguided...to put it very politely.

It's the kind of thing Trump or Bolsonaro would do.

Notmything · 06-07-2021 2:23pm

fun loving criminal wrote: »

What is with the hatred towards Nphet? The WHO has said we are in a dangerous part of the pandemic and it's not over yet. Yet no bitching goes on about them.

Something something not elected etc

is_that_so · 06-07-2021 2:24pm

fun loving criminal wrote: »

What is with the hatred towards Nphet? The WHO has said we are in a dangerous part of the pandemic and it's not over yet. Yet no bitching goes on about them.

The WHO can be ignored, NPHET provides advice that affects our lives in a very direct way. The government could say thanks but no thanks to what they say. It will be disbanded once it is no longer required so some time after we get everyone vaccinated.

Beasty · 06-07-2021 2:24pm

It should not be disbanded. It should though be instructed to work with the Government. There has been little if any evidence of this and it is the Government that should force the point.

ELM327 · 06-07-2021 2:25pm

Yes, time to get rid of the prohibitionist case count fetishists and let the country open up

duffman13 · 06-07-2021 2:26pm

fun loving criminal wrote: »

What is with the hatred towards Nphet? The WHO has said we are in a dangerous part of the pandemic and it's not over yet. Yet no bitching goes on about them.

The WHO has a worldwide remit so given worldwide vaccination rates and disease spread, the situation is probably somewhat comparable to Ireland in late January. NPHET issues advice for one country only.

Personally I'd say no with the caveat of tweaking it to include economists and have a wider panel of people

is_that_so · 06-07-2021 2:28pm

Beasty wrote: »

It should not be disbanded. It should though be instructed to work with the Government. There has been little if any evidence of this and it is the Government that should force the point.

Yes, there is a sense that they believe that only they can make these decisions. No danger of our government moving on that for a good while.

[Deleted User] · 06-07-2021 2:29pm

seamus wrote: »

Disbanding a National Public Health Emergency Team in the middle of a National Public Health Emergency, is...misguided...to put it very politely.

It's the kind of thing Trump or Bolsonaro would do.

A public health emergency with less than 20 people in ICU in the whole country for weeks now ?

Pwindedd · 06-07-2021 2:30pm

POBox19 wrote: »

What would 'economists, psychologists, social welfare experts' know about public health? About as much as the elected government.

I’ve edited my original post. I just think a multi faceted approach to COVID is required. It really isn’t just a health issue anymore IMO.

Lux23 · 06-07-2021 2:34pm

There is no way the Government would ever disband NPHET because they are a convenient scapegoat for them when people are giving out about public health measures. This is now the third time the spin doctors in government have allowed NPHET to take the heat, and the media/public are quite happy to follow the spin.

elperello · 06-07-2021 2:35pm

Preposterous to even consider such a suggestion.

Should be renamed the Lemming Thread.

Floppybits · 06-07-2021 2:38pm

Don't think they should be disbanded but I do think that members of NPHET need to change every 3 or 4 months to avoid exhaustion and group think. Get in fresh ideas.

ixoy · 06-07-2021 2:40pm

No it shouldn't - it serves a purpose in providing medical advice and health guidelines to the government.

The government's job though is to take that advice into consideration when making a decision - and that can include ignoring elements of it. It can also include questioning the advice be it asking about their modelling or seeking clarification. They've got a wider responsibility that includes the economy, society, etc and they need to be able to factor those in. They've been very weak doing this and trying to use December/January fallout (when he had no vaccinations) as a means of weaseling out of making tougher decisions.

[Deleted User] · 06-07-2021 2:40pm

POBox19 wrote: »

What would 'economists, psychologists, social welfare experts' know about public health? About as much as the elected government.

Well alternatively we need a separate panel of those with equal input to any decisions around opening or closing businesses.

[Deleted User] · 06-07-2021 2:42pm

seamus wrote: »

Disbanding a National Public Health Emergency Team in the middle of a National Public Health Emergency, is...misguided...to put it very politely.

It's the kind of thing Trump or Bolsonaro would do.

The closest thing we have in Ireland to a Trump or Bolsanaro is the current head of NPHET. Tweeting about everything and anything like a loose cannon. Micheal Martin is the anti-Trump or Bolsonaro - he has no opinions of his own whatsoever.

This isn't the remit of a public health advisor .... he should advise in private.

[Deleted User] · 06-07-2021 2:45pm

I voted Yes, mainly due to the ‘large’ personalities that have wrestled control of the country through NPHET. Their remit was once to flatten the curve and stop the health service being overwhelmed - it’s now become stop anyone ever getting sick with Covid.

However, I would be willing to have them kept on, with some changes.
1. There are far too many members of the HSE, to the point that they can never be an impartial group. Every decision is made with our creaking, mis managed health service in mind. Unfortunately this can’t be used to keep other sectors locked.
2. The Minister for Health should be it’s head and main communicator. There is no need for a CMO or chair to be talking about their feelings in the media.
3. From the point above, make it clear to NPHET members, you’re either a part of NPHET or you’re an ‘expert’ constantly talking to radio, papers and social media (Favier, Nolan & Holohan take note). You can’t be both, far too much grenades being lobbed into the media.
4. The minister for finance should be part of the group. NPHET’s decisions (both right and wrong ones) have meant we have to haemorrhage billions. At the very least the MoF needs to have an input as to what their decisions will lead to.

Dr. Bre · 06-07-2021 2:46pm

fun loving criminal wrote: »

What is with the hatred towards Nphet? The WHO has said we are in a dangerous part of the pandemic and it's not over yet. Yet no bitching goes on about them.

The Who?

ednwireland · 06-07-2021 2:47pm

Beasty wrote: »

It should not be disbanded. It should though be instructed to work with the Government. There has been little if any evidence of this and it is the Government that should force the point.

It should though be instructed to work through the Government, they shouldnt be tweeting or giving the press commentary or appearing on the late late for that matter

[Deleted User] · 06-07-2021 2:48pm

FTB2021 wrote: »

I voted Yes, mainly due to the ‘large’ personalities that have wrestled control of the country through NPHET. Their remit was once to flatten the curve and stop the health service being overwhelmed - it’s now become stop anyone ever getting sick with Covid.

However, I would be willing to have them kept on, with some changes.
1. There are far too many members of the HSE, to the point that they can never be an impartial group. Every decision is made with our creaking, mis managed health service in mind. Unfortunately this can’t be used to keep other sectors locked.
2. The Minister for Health should be it’s head and main communicator. There is no need for a CMO or chair to be talking about their feelings in the media.
3. From the point above, make it clear to NPHET members, you’re either a part of NPHET or you’re an ‘expert’ constantly talking to radio, papers and social media (Favier, Nolan & Holohan take note). You can’t be both, far too much grenades being lobbed into the media.
4. The minister for finance should be part of the group. NPHET’s decisions (both right and wrong ones) have meant we have to haemorrhage billions. At the very least the MoF needs to have an input as to what their decisions will lead to.

Agree 100%. Spot on.

[Deleted User] · 06-07-2021 2:49pm

is_that_so wrote: »

The WHO can be ignored, NPHET provides advice that affects our lives in a very direct way. The government could say thanks but no thanks to what they say. It will be disbanded once it is no longer required so some time after we get everyone vaccinated.

So....your problem is with the government, who already have lobby groups and voters and the civil service and their own legal and parliamentary advisors to weigh in

What's the problem, other than you dont agree with the govt decision?

secman · 06-07-2021 2:50pm

We should obviously disband it, we have a good cross selection of Publicans, Hoteliers, Restaurant owners, Airline owners to replace them with. These people have all the answers............ i jest and laugh at the notion

ted1 · 06-07-2021 2:50pm

Pwindedd wrote: »

To clarify on my yes. I feel a board of advisors from a cross section of life such as economists, psychologists, social welfare experts etc. should replace it. Edit: as well as health, virology experts of course.
There should be no leader of this new board. A regular report can be compiled for government to aid their decisions. Meeting minutes should be made public and no member is permitted to use social media to advance or publicise their personal views. This is no longer an emergency. Time to manage and develop how we live with this.

They would not be qualified to fulfill NPHETs role. However the government could take NOHETS advise and balance it between input from other stake holders

Silentcorner · 06-07-2021 2:51pm

Jesus can we keep Trump and Balsanero out of this thread, only the truly brainwashed would even consider them relevant to us.

Nphet will never allow society to fully reopen, that much is clear, and it's up to the politicians then to decide whether they wish to go along with that or not.

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