Should NPHET be disbanded ?

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117819023#Comment_117819023

What else could they have done? It's still the Cabinet sub-committee running things anyway.

Beechwoodspark

Too early yet to disband.

Spring 2022 opportune time for a review

growleaves

The only emergency is if the cocktail bar runs out of mohitos.

A couple of people in hospital in summer isn't a national crisis. They don't want to give up their committees, sub-committees, sub-sub-committees, guidelines, measures, concern, blah blah blah bli blu blo blah

Beechwoodspark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117819413#Comment_117819413

What I would like to know is why some posters are DETERMINED to ignore the daily figures and breezily state “all is well”??

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117820250#Comment_117820250

What figures? All is well

Deeper Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117820239#Comment_117820239

You're going to be very disappointed I'm afraid 😂😂

franciscanpunk

No big deal disbanding them, just an indication that the country is moving from the initial emergency phase with covid to a longer term bau phase, its not like all civil servants are being fired, they are still available to advise govt just not under nphet umbrella.

I think some nphet members stepped out of line, tony last xmas telling people(not advising, dictating) that ppl dont go out, don't visit restaurants even though their was no govt restrictions against it. If im a business struggling to survive and i see an unelected figure who is effectively the most powerful man in ireland tell my customers something that people who are elected to run the country haven't ruled against I'm thinking the line is overstepped and needs to disbanded first chance.

Same with Nolan and the Lidl antigen tests, i know Lidl aren't a small shop just keeping their head above water but so what, aren't they entitled to sell any legal products they wish without a senior member of the countrys most powerfull group using their newly found public profile to disregard your products.

How could anyone not see that these people clearly think the are in a position where their rule is beyond advise and feel they should do what they like without any consideration for the fact they are unelected and that government actually have the mandate to imolement legislation which affects peoples lives, not them.

Hopefully first step is an announcement next week that there is an immediate scalling back of the scope and size of the group with a phased disbanding.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117819550#Comment_117819550

Already have that with the vaccine passport, now set to be extended to nightclubs, indoor sports, gigs and "other organised activities": Revealed: Details of full reopening of Irish society (irishexaminer.com)

At what point do you just accept that the passport is permanent and that masks are permanent?

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117822093#Comment_117822093

Probably at least after the temporary measures period of time has expired + 6 months, your timeframe and meaning for "permanence" is a bit distorted.

These new temporary restrictions that are coming in will be permanent, the fact that all previous restrictions ended up being temporary should be ignored, these ones are in fact permanent.

grogi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117819413#Comment_117819413

But that's exactly what NPHET do - inflate number of cases left right and center, just to justify its existence.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117822298#Comment_117822298

They don't need to justify their existence, as far as I'm concerned.

Nor do I believe they are "making up" extra numbers of positive tests to justify their existence.

Conspiracy theory rubbish.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117820250#Comment_117820250

Mostly posters are looking past daily cases to hospitals and it is still "generally fine" there. Hospital cases have crept up but ICU is still at about 60. Not quite sure what you're hoping for here, them to be proved wrong by an "I told you so" hospital surge? TBH COVID is over for many people, they are vaccinated and no longer talk about it, they do follow restrictions but normal life is on the horizon.

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117822093#Comment_117822093

Doesn't bother me in the slightest at the moment but then i don't need to wear a mask in work.

daheff

More likely should we disband the government?

NPHET's job is to advise the government around medical issues. In this case a pandemic. Government's job is to listen to what is said an make a decision on how to implement NPHET's advise in full, in part or not at all.

NPHET are doing their job in advising the government. Government are listening to their advise because thats what they pay NPHET to do. Ultimately the decisions stop at the Taoiseach's desk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117822187#Comment_117822187

What ones were temporary?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117823270#Comment_117823270

Does it not bother you not being able to see people's faces, people smile etc?

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117823572#Comment_117823572

The only place that i have to wear a mask is a shop so no it doesn't bother me. I can go to the pub, football match and work without need for masks. If i had to wear one all day i would be more bothered though.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117823225#Comment_117823225

Yes, covid definitely over for most people.

Is it only Public Servants who havent returned to offices.

I was on the N8 today heading to kildare village at 2pm, traffic was so heavy, where is everyone going.

The outlet was very busy, so many Northern Ireland cars, I forgot it was a UK bank holiday.

Its surreal to hear talk of return to work sometime in Sept, it certainly seemed today that many people are back already, time to acknowledge reality and put NEPHET out to pasture, the group got too politicised, time for them to return to obscurity.

grogi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117823294#Comment_117823294

In that case we don't need NPHET at all. I can give the government all the same advice NPHET are giving.

"The next wave is coming, it is just around the corner. Our models predict we will have 5 mln infections and 1 mln people in hospitals. ".

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117825478#Comment_117825478

There's 100s of thousands of private sector employees still working from home. Believe me, traffic will be getting worse in the next couple of weeks/months.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117831397#Comment_117831397

This time of year is typically the busiest for traffic anyway. Public transport being back to 100% will help.

Valhallapt

Nphet have finally relented to science and now back antigen testing, but in the two years fighting science they have severely undermined public trust in them. Philip Nolan should should hang his head in shame, and be open to public scrutiny, his number never added up, he is the only person selling snake oil.

what has changed, why do antigen tests now work? 26 out of 27 eu countries have been using antigen since the start. But Nphet simply ignore the science why? Why? They have to be held to account on this.

How much of the current surge could have been avoided if Nphet were competent and accepted medical and scientific advice?

it’s now looking like Ireland is going to follow the rest of the eu and subsidise antigen testing, by offering discounted tests at pharmacies. Long over due. Our lockdown could have been less severe if we followed the science.

crossman47

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118158299#Comment_118158299

Many GPs are saying that the doubts about antigen testing are justified. People have symptoms, get a negative antigen result and go about their business as if all was well. The don't go for a PCR test and continue socialising so leading in part to our high numbers.

kend1973

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118159026#Comment_118159026

Ha ha some bullshit.

Real Donald Trump

They should be obliterated!

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118159363#Comment_118159363

Guess your a GP who has observed the opposite?

Be interesting to see the results of the antigen tests which were posted to fully vaccinated close contacts who had no symptoms.

Valhallapt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118159026#Comment_118159026

So your GP has observed something that hundreds of academics, professors, scientists and medics at large have missed. All those peer reviews science journals missed it too? Has your GP spoke to the WHO to let them know they don’t think antigen testing works and the WHO should change their advice?

on a side note many GPs believe the earth is flat

shesty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118159026#Comment_118159026

I have seen this said, but for the life of me I cannot figure out why this is such a problem- it is completely contradictory.

Why would you do an antigen if you were going to go for a PCR anyway?What this says is use antigens to try and control case numbers, but don't believe their results, go get a PCR anyway.What would we be using antigens for so?

I don't dispute that they aren't perfect, but I mean we either are using them or we aren't.Using them but not believing their results is just....silly.

They want to bring them in for schools which is fine, but if I am to go by that advice, I should use antigens (especially if the kids have a bit of a cold), but ignore any negative results, go get them tested and then isolate them anyway, which in the real world makes zero sense .

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118158299#Comment_118158299

God bless the EEC 😁

It's hard to beat the oul "Subsidy".

Just as the Climate Change thing,makes the Common Agricultural Policy (and it's subsidies) appear anti-social,along comes a brand new "Sector" which can now be drawn into the Administrative net,with all the opportunities that brings with it.

It would be interesting to see where the 30+ members of NPHET (with EMERGENCY being the apposite word) will be placing their Pension Pot money in the coming years,or what area their friends & families will be "encouraged" to invest in.

The Public Health EMERGENCY in Ireland ended over 12 months ago,however the PH "Administrative" emergency continues unabated with little actually being done to address it,except perhaps for investing over € 25 Billion into the executive responsible for managing it.

Right now,I'd support approaching Ryanair's Micheal O'Leary to take on the HSE's Top Job,as we appar to be getting little return from the present incumbents.

Disband NPHET ?

Yesterday !!

recode the site

Covid is going nowhere, too early to disband much and all as it depresses me.