The Tipperary GAA Discussion Thread

Joe_ Public · 03-07-2021 1:30pm

FoFo1254122 wrote: »

when the year is over we can all come back here and review the year.
i bet every poster at that stage will be saying we need youth and power and speed to live with the likes of limerick and galway. Tipp need new blood.
The thing is I know it now, many supporters dont get it because they actually know very little about hurling.
same supporters who think paudi maher can go to full back sunday and lord it over Clare.

Tipp might win sunday and if they do great but i predict if tipp do win, it will be only our win of the year.

Sure look, it's all opinions, isn't it? But where did anyone say Paidi would "lord" it at full back? I haven't heard that anyway. And talking about others not knowing much about hurling when you were banging on about "where's Ger Browne", strikes me that any moderately knowledgeable hurling fan would know what the story there was.

FoFo1254122 · 03-07-2021 1:46pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Sure look, it's all opinions, isn't it? But where did anyone say Paidi would "lord" it at full back? I haven't heard that anyway. And talking about others not knowing much about hurling when you were banging on about "where's Ger Browne", strikes me that any moderately knowledgeable hurling fan would know what the story there was.

ah stop
i course i know where he is. its a rhetorical question.
lets get something straight, i am just posting what i believe. not personally attacking posters.
on the other hand you are the fourth poster to have a go at me personally.

too many tipp players have too much mileage in their legs. nothing wrong with their hurling brains nor their hands. Its simple logic.
Hurling is now more then ever a game of power, strength, stamina and speed.
Limerick are the standard and tipp are a good bit off.

Pogue eile · 03-07-2021 1:47pm

FoFo1254122 wrote: »

when the year is over we can all come back here and review the year.
i bet every poster at that stage will be saying we need youth and power and speed to live with the likes of limerick and galway. Tipp need new blood.
The thing is I know it now, many supporters dont get it because they actually know very little about hurling.
same supporters who think paudi maher can go to full back sunday and lord it over Clare.

Tipp might win sunday and if they do great but i predict if tipp do win, it will be only our win of the year.

6 weeks ago you told us that Tipp had a great chance and would go very close this year. What happened in those 6 weeks to cause you to 'fear' for the future of Tipperary hurling.

You were also on here not two months ago singing the praises of Liam Sheedy who in your own words would do anything to win, but now you are accusing him of been negligent and jeopardising Tipperary hurling.

Forgive me if I dont put much stock in your opinions!

Pogue eile · 03-07-2021 1:48pm

It's kind of refreshing that this years meltdown is happening before we even play

Joe_ Public · 03-07-2021 1:49pm

FoFo1254122 wrote: »

ah stop
i course i know where he is. its a rhetorical question.
lets get something straight, i am just posting what i believe. not personally attacking posters.
on the other hand you are the fourth poster to have a go at me personally.

too many tipp players have too much mileage in their legs. nothing wrong with their hurling brains nor their hands. Its simple logic.
Hurling is now more then ever a game of power, strength, stamina and speed.
Limerick are the standard and tipp are a good bit off.

No, i took issue with what you posted, purely and simply. Doesn't read like a rhetorical statement to me but i will accept your clarification and, like i suggested, everyone entitled to their opinion and will leave it at that.

FoFo1254122 · 03-07-2021 1:55pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

6 weeks ago you told us that Tipp had a great chance and would go very close this year. What happened in those 6 weeks to cause you to 'fear' for the future of Tipperary hurling.

You were also on here not two months ago singing the praises of Liam Sheedy who in your own words would do anything to win, but now you are accusing him of been negligent and jeopardising Tipperary hurling.

Forgive me if I dont put much stock in your opinions!

i expected sheedy to inject new blood.
i was wrong and i admit it.
i assumed the issue with ger browne would be sorted so he could play for tipp, i thought sheedy would pick cadell, brian mcgrath, willie connors,
i assumed our bench would have the more senior players ready to come on and use their experience.

its now worked out like i thought it would. I think our bench for sunday looks weak.

Rosita · 03-07-2021 2:01pm

FoFo1254122 wrote: »

i expected sheedy to inject new blood.
i was wrong and i admit it.
i assumed the issue with ger browne would be sorted so he could play for tipp, i thought sheedy would pick cadell, brian mcgrath, willie connors,
i assumed our bench would have the more senior players ready to come on and use their experience.

its now worked out like i thought it would. I think our bench for sunday looks weak.

Odd that you assumed those players would be starters and good enough to be starters but when they're on the bench you consider the bench to be weak.

FoFo1254122 · 03-07-2021 2:02pm

where are the players from tipps 2 all ireland under 20 wins
how is it possible only one of those players are on the starting team given the talent on those squads.
it makes no sense.

FoFo1254122 · 03-07-2021 2:05pm

Rosita wrote: »

Odd that you assumed those players would be starters and good enough to be starters but when they're on the bench you consider the bench to be weak.

your looking at wrong.

who would you rather come off the bench

brendan maher, paudi maher, noel mcgrath, seamie callinan

or what is currently on the bench sunday.

Joe_ Public · 03-07-2021 2:17pm

Not hindsight to look back on those u/20 or 21 successes and see them as great managerial, collective team triumphs. I think that was obvious at the time. The Cork teams we played had better individual components, we had the better teams. I believe several of those will make the breakthrough and have good careers but it's just taking time. The last 18 months have obviously disrupted things, lack of competitive games hasn't been good for young lads who desperately need them for development. That has affected all teams but i think it's hit us particularly hard. I'd love to have seen a few break through but i don't know what goes on behind the scenes in terms of training, s&c etc so personally i think it's hard to make definitive judgements about who should or shouldn't be making the cut. The young guys will still get game time over the coming weeks so they can make statements if they are able.

Mantis Toboggan · 03-07-2021 2:19pm

FoFo1254122 wrote: »

where are the players from tipps 2 all ireland under 20 wins
how is it possible only one of those players are on the starting team given the talent on those squads.
it makes no sense.

Think the reality is those players aren't as good as expected and most have regressed unfortunately for whatever reason.

Pogue eile · 03-07-2021 2:21pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Not hindsight to look back on those u/20 or 21 successes and see them as great managerial, collective team triumphs. I think that was obvious at the time. The Cork teams we played had better individual components, we had the better teams. I believe several of those will make the breakthrough and have good careers but it's just taking time. The last 18 months have obviously disrupted things, lack of competitive games hasn't been good for young lads who desperately need them for development. That has affected all teams but i think it's hit us particularly hard. I'd love to have seen a few break through but i don't know what goes on behind the scenes in terms of training, s&c etc so personally i think it's hard to make definitive judgements about who should or shouldn't be making the cut. The young guys will still get game time over the coming weeks so they can make statements if they are able.

Thats all well and good Joe, but surely FoFo is in a far better position to know what our best 15 is as opposed to the collective knowledge of Liam Sheedy, Tommy Dunne, Daragh Egan, Eoin Kelly and Eammon O'Shea?

Rosita · 03-07-2021 2:25pm

FoFo1254122 wrote: »

your looking at wrong.

who would you rather come off the bench

brendan maher, paudi maher, noel mcgrath, seamie callinan

or what is currently on the bench sunday.

By the same token would it not be better to have 50/60/70 minutes from players like that than 15/20?

farmerval · 03-07-2021 3:27pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Think the reality is those players aren't as good as expected and most have regressed unfortunately for whatever reason.

I think the young players trying to break through are the ones that lost out the most in the covid enforced changes to the calender.

They have missed out on Colleges hurling, a reduced league last year, this year's league so condensed and Liam Sheedy's desire to get minutes into the older legs. Remember in 2019 after the round robin we thought we had no bench that the young players just weren't up to it. The Semi against Wexford, the contribution from the bench was a surprise to Tipp fans too.

formerlyET · 03-07-2021 3:42pm

FoFo1254122 wrote: »

where are the players from tipps 2 all ireland under 20 wins
how is it possible only one of those players are on the starting team given the talent on those squads.
it makes no sense.

There's two of those players on the team and a load on the bench and squad.

Ompala · 03-07-2021 3:57pm

Galway bet by Dublin today, despite being most peoples 2nd favourites after Limerick for Liam after the league. Only managed 1-14. Just goes to show Championship is another level, take nothing for granted.

03-07-2021 4:25pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

Thats all well and good Joe, but surely FoFo is in a far better position to know what our best 15 is as opposed to the collective knowledge of Liam Sheedy, Tommy Dunne, Daragh Egan, Eoin Kelly and Eammon O'Shea?

It’s ****e like this , that ends most forums. By the way Tipp looks like a similar outfit to last year so I’d expect a similar ending. At least John and Noel are better rested heading into this year

Pogue eile · 03-07-2021 4:30pm

1373 wrote: »

It’s ****e like this , that ends most forums. By the way Tipp looks like a similar outfit to last year so I’d expect a similar ending. At least John and Noel are better rested heading into this year

Considering its not long since you said that there were Tipp players in the match day squad that wouldnt trouble a club team, you would be a fair judge of ''****e'

03-07-2021 6:46pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

Considering its not long since you said that there were Tipp players in the match day squad that wouldnt trouble a club team, you would be a fair judge of ''****e'

And I stand by that . But you seem to forget the meaning of Gaa Discussion. It means people are allowed to give their opinions without being ridiculed because you’re opinions are different. Two of Tipps starting forwards tomorrow, have not big games with their clubs in a number of years, and that’s in my opinion

Pogue eile · 03-07-2021 6:49pm

1373 wrote: »

And I stand by that . But you seem to forget the meaning of Gaa Discussion. It means people are allowed to give their opinions without being ridiculed because you’re opinions are different. Two of Tipps starting forwards tomorrow, have not big games with their clubs in a number of years, and that’s in my opinion

Which two??

03-07-2021 7:05pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

Which two??

Work it out yourself , you seem to live on this page

03-07-2021 7:15pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

Very hard to work it out when its complete and utter boll*x, you said you wanted a discussion so either name them or shut it.

You just can’t stop proving me right

Pogue eile · 03-07-2021 7:18pm

1373 wrote: »

You just can’t stop proving me right

Name them and have the courage of your convictions, either that or you are just a wum throwing mud at intercounty players.

Is that you Jim Bolger??

formerlyET · 03-07-2021 7:22pm

Don't feed the trolls, lads. You'll end up filling the thread with ambiguous, pointless nonsense.

FoFo1254122 · 03-07-2021 11:11pm

formerlyET wrote: »

Don't feed the trolls, lads. You'll end up filling the thread with ambiguous, pointless nonsense.

who are you classifying as trolls?

what is it about social media which makes people think they can say what they want about someone, when in the real world they wouldn't dare say anything like that to someone's face.
look work away if it makes you happy in the real world.

anyway i hope tipp win tomorrow and win the all ireland and i am proven to be complete spoofer.
but when the year ends badly just like last year i wont come on here and say i told you so. there wont be any need because it will be quiet clear why we failed and it will be the same reason as last year. A failure to inject new blood especially in midfield and at full back.

windy shepard henderson · 04-07-2021 1:42am

intresting posts tonight none about clare ......getting a small bit worried

No word of 93 Gealic Grounds

Where the tipperary half back line sang slivnamon while hurling clare people to death

Where Nicky English auditioned for live at the Appolo (Noels house at the time party back in 1993) while playing full forward

Tell Noel there will be no house party tonight :pac:

04-07-2021 3:06am

I had to check it wasn't the Arsenal thread I wandered into for a second

Looking forward to later on either way. in truth, I'm probably more hopeful than expectant of winning the All Ireland this year. i think it's Limericks to lose. Are they beatable? Sure, but it will take a mammoth effort from the challengers. We cant look past Clare who have some class players and a game under their belt already. I hope we are ready for it.

Galway and Waterford are still dangerous but I think that defeat in Extra time will crush Wexford. I have to wonder is it a rebuilding job there and I would doubt Davy is the man that will commit to this (in fairness he lives in Clare and that's a hell of a drive-up)

04-07-2021 3:08am

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

intresting posts tonight none about clare ......getting a small bit worried

No word of 93 Gaelic Grounds

Where the tipperary half back line sang slivnamon while hurling clare people to death

Where Nicky English auditioned for live at the Appolo (Noels house at the time party back in 1993) while playing full forward

Tell Noel there will be no house party tonight :pac:

A lot of water under the bridge since that day. Clare beat us plenty of times in the 90s and the harrowing defeat in 2018 still rankles. Its a derby, and will be a ding-dong battle tomorrow I'm sure. Id expect Tipp, but it will be close

windy shepard henderson · 04-07-2021 4:32am

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A lot of water under the bridge since that day. Clare beat us plenty of times in the 90s and the harrowing defeat in 2018 still rankles. Its a derby, and will be a ding-dong battle tomorrow I'm sure. Id expect Tipp, but it will be close

I live a mile away from Anthony Daly , often over the years the topic of 93 has been brought up but any time I asked him about Nicky laughing I got no response

It was a tool by Daly to spur Clare on back in the day , English was and is still one of the most gracious hurling men around he was the scape goat

osullic · 04-07-2021 9:06am

Lads have any of ye heard anything about Bryan O’Mara. I remember they said he would be out about 6 weeks back in May. I think it’s been 9 since then. He looked like he was well able for the step up.

For those of you who managed to get tickets enjoy the atmosphere. Fantastic to get into a live inter county match.

It will be the telly and couch for me unfortunately.

Tiobraid Árann ABÚ!!

seligehgit · 04-07-2021 9:18am

Pogue eile wrote: »

Thats all well and good Joe, but surely FoFo is in a far better position to know what our best 15 is as opposed to the collective knowledge of Liam Sheedy, Tommy Dunne, Daragh Egan, Eoin Kelly and Eammon O'Shea?

1373 wrote: »

It’s ****e like this , that ends most forums. By the way Tipp looks like a similar outfit to last year so I’d expect a similar ending. At least John and Noel are better rested heading into this year

Pogue eile wrote: »

Considering its not long since you said that there were Tipp players in the match day squad that wouldnt trouble a club team, you would be a fair judge of ''****e'

1373 wrote: »

And I stand by that . But you seem to forget the meaning of Gaa Discussion. It means people are allowed to give their opinions without being ridiculed because you’re opinions are different. Two of Tipps starting forwards tomorrow, have not big games with their clubs in a number of years, and that’s in my opinion

Pogue eile wrote: »

Which two??

1373 wrote: »

Work it out yourself , you seem to live on this page

Pogue eile wrote: »

Very hard to work it out when its complete and utter boll*x, you said you wanted a discussion so either name them or shut it.

1373 wrote: »

You just can’t stop proving me right

Pogue eile wrote: »

Name them and have the courage of your convictions, either that or you are just a wum throwing mud at intercounty players.

Is that you Jim Bolger??

formerlyET wrote: »

Don't feed the trolls, lads. You'll end up filling the thread with ambiguous, pointless nonsense.

FoFo1254122 wrote: »

who are you classifying as trolls?

what is it about social media which makes people think they can say what they want about someone, when in the real world they wouldn't dare say anything like that to someone's face.
look work away if it makes you happy in the real world.

anyway i hope tipp win tomorrow and win the all ireland and i am proven to be complete spoofer.
but when the year ends badly just like last year i wont come on here and say i told you so. there wont be any need because it will be quiet clear why we failed and it will be the same reason as last year. A failure to inject new blood especially in midfield and at full back.

formerlyET wrote: »

This is you a little over a month ago - Did Liam stop putting sugar in your coffee?:

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personally i think barrett bubbles and john mcgrath have plenty left in them if they so wish.
regardless we will go close this year and the future is bright.
sheedy knows he has to adapt how we play - i liked the withdrawing everyone to the middle when limerick pucked out.

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i came across liam sheedy professionally while he worked at bank of ireland.
liam sheedy will use whatever he can to win - whether thats lovely hurlers or beasts, players he knows very well or liam cahills U20 players , sheedy wont care
last year losing by a whisker to galway who themselves lost to limerick by a whisker is no embarrassment,

what killed us last year in my opinion was john mcgrath and bubbles not showing up. i love how both hurl and when they bring it together on match day Tipp cannot be stopped
For me Tipps four most important players are barrett john mcgrath bubbles and callinan
if sheedy can get all 4 humming this year we will win the all ireland.
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Joe_ Public · 04-07-2021 9:24am

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

I live a mile away from Anthony Daly , often over the years the topic of 93 has been brought up but any time I asked him about Nicky laughing I got no response

It was a tool by Daly to spur Clare on back in the day , English was and is still one of the most gracious hurling men around he was the scape goat

I remember a league encounter in ennis around 97-98 time. John Leahy was taking a line ball, taking his time about it and just as a momentary lull went around the ground, a very lusty "come on ya little b****x" came roaring out of Daly, standing about 10 feet away! It really broke the tension of which there was a lot in the stadium that night.

I think Daly, in the spirit of loughnane, would do whatever it took to win, they'd been "whipping boys" too long, as they put it. But off the field i never heard a bad word about him, always came across a very fair and decent chap.

For a clareman of course ;-)

formerlyET · 04-07-2021 9:54am

Hopefully we're headed in the right direction - full attendance of these games.

Looking forward to today. I've missed it.

Exceptional players, managers, and coaching on both sides. Exceptional people involved. Some of the best players to pick up a hurl are playing today. You can tell I'm excited. Almost emotional. Over a game! I can't wait.

Pogue eile · 04-07-2021 5:28pm

Not bad for a bunch of auld lads

farmerval · 04-07-2021 5:46pm

Great win. We left 4-5 late points behind us. Clare's bizarre tactics in the second half helped.
Awfully disappointing with John McGrath. Otherwise I think everyone contributed.
We were lucky with the Barry Heffernan foul near the end, would have been easier for the ref to give it.
Bubbles was magic, such great wrists.
Really funny, in the first half at times the Clare players individually made Tipp look very slow yet they never got a run on them in the second half.
Seamie and the full back had some battle.

Pogue eile · 04-07-2021 5:50pm

Daly spitting fire is the highlight of the day to be honest

:D

Ompala · 04-07-2021 5:53pm

What a bizarre game. We were very rusty in the 1st half, but were also very unlucky to be down at half time (2nd year in a row where a blocked shot for a pount has ended up in the net on us). Having said that, we seemed to do our best to lose when on top, missed lots of shots and bad decisions. Very lucky with the penalty too, a yellow and a free in for me. At least we get two more days out.

04-07-2021 9:00pm

Big improvements needed for Limerick. Looked very rusty and missed a few goal chances although id be hopeful we'll be sharper if we can get near goal next day.

Fortunate with that penalty decision. I thought Jake still had it all to do to even set up a goal there. Bubbles and Forde were very good. Callanan done very well considering the ball into him wasn't always good. Improved in the second half. Loads to work on. It's not beyond us to beat Limerick, but we'll have to be at our very best. A slow start and we'll be toast. looking forward to it. Will it be in Pairc Ui chaoimh presumably??

letowski · 04-07-2021 9:05pm

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Big improvements needed for Limerick. Looked very rusty and missed a few goal chances although id be hopeful we'll be sharper if we can get near goal next day.

Fortunate with that penalty decision. I thought Jake still had it all to do to even set up a goal there. Bubbles and Forde were very good. Callanan done very well considering the ball into him wasn't always good. Improved in the second half. Loads to work on. It's not beyond us to beat Limerick, but we'll have to be at our very best. A slow start and we'll be toast. looking forward to it. Will it be in Pairc Ui chaoimh presumably??

I thought Callinan played a good game for ye. He also laid off a few passes. He was having a right good battle with Conor Cleary all afternoon. That will stand to Callinan the next day as he continues his return.

I think Sheedy will be happy tonight to both have won, but also being given a good test in preparation for the Munster final.

Ompala · 04-07-2021 9:16pm

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Big improvements needed for Limerick. Looked very rusty and missed a few goal chances although id be hopeful we'll be sharper if we can get near goal next day.

Fortunate with that penalty decision. I thought Jake still had it all to do to even set up a goal there. Bubbles and Forde were very good. Callanan done very well considering the ball into him wasn't always good. Improved in the second half. Loads to work on. It's not beyond us to beat Limerick, but we'll have to be at our very best. A slow start and we'll be toast. looking forward to it. Will it be in Pairc Ui chaoimh presumably??

We were very rusty early on I thought. How many Clare scores game from us fumbling the ball, or Tipp lads slipping?

Thought Jake, Forde and Bubbles were quite sharp. Jake in particular dropped deep to collect a lot of ball. Dan was outstanding, got on so so much ball. I dread to think of the team without him. Callanan had a lot of poor ball go in, wasn't sticking in the 1st half, but got better as the game went on. John McGrath was pretty anonymous today, I can't see him starting the next day. His form is just way off. Not sure who would start in his place.

Backs were struggling early, particularly half back line but got to grips with Clares runners after the opening 15 mins.

Would venue be Thurles since last time both teams made the Final it was in the Gaelic Grounds?

Joe_ Public · 04-07-2021 9:28pm

Callanan was inspirational, just the sheer work ethic and the little touches to set up several scores. Probably needed that match for sharpness too. We were slack last 10 minutes, wide after wide when you should be making sure the door stays firmly shut. Barry Heff gets that decision against him and it's heading for squeaky bum time. That annoyed me slightly. Dan needs to be in midfield i think and just getting frustrating with John Mac. Just not happening for him and it's sad to watch.

Ompala · 04-07-2021 10:07pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Callanan was inspirational, just the sheer work ethic and the little touches to set up several scores. Probably needed that match for sharpness too. We were slack last 10 minutes, wide after wide when you should be making sure the door stays firmly shut. Barry Heff gets that decision against him and it's heading for squeaky bum time. That annoyed me slightly. Dan needs to be in midfield i think and just getting frustrating with John Mac. Just not happening for him and it's sad to watch.

Yeah, our wides towards the end were criminal shooting from angles that didn't suit and just some poor wides in general. Very infuriating as we had been mostly quite good up until then (think back to our wides early in the league) but lost our way towards the finish. We were very lucky with the penalty we got and the one not given against us.

John has all the ability, we've seen him do it before for us on the biggest stage, but hes just totally out of sorts. Would be a big ask, but I do like the look of Paul Flynn, he seems a good target man.

Also thought Barry Hogan did quite well in goal, don't think he could do much for either goal, saved well late on.

formerlyET · 04-07-2021 11:58pm

A decent result.

At important moments, Tipp were clinical when they needed to be clinical. And at other times...

Clare showed the value of championship minutes with their fast start. They were slick and sharp. I like what Lohan's doing there, I like his approach to hurling and his willingness to change and adapt. A fine manager - if Clare stick with him, he'll produce. And Clare are visibly improving with him. Duggan and O'Donnell would add a lot. But I really do feel they're missing at least two possession hurlers, men who not just win the ball but who can find a man with precision a la Dan McCormack who was a major thorn in their side. I feel Dan got a grip on the game after a while - really protected the backs.

Paidi slipped and had no luck for a while, chasing shadows, and then thundered into it when we needed him to.

The ball started to stick more in the full forward line late into the first half - just a small bit. The full forward line was getting cleaned for most of the half - John McGrath is struggling. The harder he tried, the worse it got. Willy Connors worked very hard when he came in, made life very awkward for the Clare full back line. And the ball spent more time in the Clare full back line, and we put them under pressure.

The championship minutes are in the legs now. And another game coming against a top team, more minutes in the legs.
Callanan's endless running into space and leadership was good (he ran over to Quirke after Quirke lost possession and I heard Callanan say, 'Go in full forward and win that ****ing ball' then took Quirke's place in the half forward position. Breen had a good day. Barry Hogan, a big plus. Barrett did a very good job. I didn't know how taking off Noel would go, but Flynn really added a lot of energy and used the space that the tactics created (well done, management).

We don't need to win Munster, but we do need to find ways that work against Limerick. We need an improved performance and a need to produce tactics that work against their defensive set up. That's essential for what comes later in the year, if we're going to make it to the business end of the championship.

When Tipp had John McGrath sent off and a few goals disallowed against Wexford in 2019, they didn't stop. They kept going due to their experience, as did KK yesterday. Clare need to learn this, and it can be learned. Let nothing put you off.

Looking forward to rewatching the game.

05-07-2021 12:16am

formerlyET wrote: »

A decent result.

At important moments, Tipp were clinical when they needed to be clinical. And at other times...

Clare showed the value of championship minutes with their fast start. They were slick and sharp. I like what Lohan's doing there, I like his approach to hurling and his willingness to change and adapt. A fine manager - if Clare stick with him, he'll produce. And Clare are visibly improving with him. Duggan and O'Donnell would add a lot. But I really do feel they're missing at least two possession hurlers, men who not just win the ball but who can find a man with precision a la Dan McCormack who was a major thorn in their side. I feel Dan got a grip on the game after a while - really protected the backs.

Paidi slipped and had no luck for a while, chasing shadows, and then thundered into it when we needed him to.

The ball started to stick more in the full forward line late into the first half - just a small bit. The full forward line was getting cleaned for most of the half - John McGrath is struggling. The harder he tried, the worse it got. Willy Connors worked very hard when he came in, made life very awkward for the Clare full back line. And the ball spent more time in the Clare full back line, and we put them under pressure.

The championship minutes are in the legs now. And another game coming against a top team, more minutes in the legs.
Callanan's endless running into space and leadership was good (he ran over to Quirke after Quirke lost possession and I heard Callanan say, 'Go in full forward and win that ****ing ball' then took Quirke's place in the half forward position. Breen had a good day. Barry Hogan, a big plus. Barrett did a very good job. I didn't know how taking off Noel would go, but Flynn really added a lot of energy and used the space that the tactics created (well done, management).

We don't need to win Munster, but we do need to find ways that work against Limerick. We need an improved performance and a need to produce tactics that work against their defensive set up. That's essential for what comes later in the year, if we're going to make it to the business end of the championship.

When Tipp had John McGrath sent off and a few goals disallowed against Wexford in 2019, they didn't stop. They kept going due to their experience, as did KK yesterday. Clare need to learn this, and it can be learned. Let nothing put you off.

Looking forward to rewatching the game.

Psychologically id fear we might have to. A hiding in that game, and it could be the end of an era in spite of having the backdoor. Limerick are on a run, they feel invincible. A defeat can change alot though and if they are seen as human, it could open up the championship. We cant beat them soon enough as far as im concerned. Munster medals to play for.

Mantis Toboggan · 06-07-2021 10:17am

Any word if Niall o Meara could be back for the munster final?

iebamm2580 · 06-07-2021 6:17pm

Getting to a Munster final was essential, realistically i would only worry about Galway and Limerick. If we were to lose Munster and meet Kilkenny at semi finals stage, iv no doubt we would win by 5 plus, very average team nowadays. On all Ireland final day, anything could happen, we tend to turn up on the biggest stage. Getting to Croke park was vital for us which we have now achieved(presuming quarters in croker).

formerlyET · 15-07-2021 10:47am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117601561#Comment_117601561

i think Sheedy said he's back.

farmerval · 15-07-2021 9:43pm

Niall O Meara would be a good addition. He's busy style complements the other players well.

I thought against Clare was as good as Dan, and Jason Forde and Jake Morris have hurled for us. Seamie got great praise for his work rate, I thought in 2019 that his stints at centre forward in most games was very important. Times in games when we were in trouble he went to CF and suddenly the ball was sticking around, nothing flash, just not letting it be cleared easily.

I don't see us beating Limerick twice this year, so I'd gladly sacrifice Sunday to beat them later on in Croke park. To win it I think we'll have to beat Limerick, I don't think anyone else will.

Our record in Croke Park is good, so getting there is the first big challenge.

Paddico · 16-07-2021 2:12pm

A good win for the u-20s last night but no chance you'll mention of Tipp underage football on here

formerlyET · 16-07-2021 6:46pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117619894#Comment_117619894

You just did - but you took a chance to sarcastically mention the interest in hurling. Why not just discuss the football and not try to cause division?

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