Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I would guess that vaccine uptake in Ireland is higher than everywhere else because Ireland has had the longest and strictest suppression measures in Europe

We all wanted to take the vaccine to return to normal after a rough 12 odd months

Most of Europe didn’t suffer such lengthy suppression so they were already normal so to speak and weren’t as motivated as the Irish to register for the vaccine

So the UK having a similar uptake in vaccines means by your definition, they have also had as long and as strict a lockdown as we have had?
Otherwise it's just the old Correlation vs Causation effect.

brickster69 wrote: »

Totally clueless they are :pac::pac::pac:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-surpasses-500000-coronavirus-covid-19-tests-genomically-sequenced

You can sequence till the cows come home, but if you don't act on it, it's kinda useless.
In the grand scheme of things, we're not too far behind on the sequencing of cases (10% vs 5%). I'm actually surprised how few cases are sequenced in other countries.

This is so over, deaths are falling in the UK and daily hospitalisations are a fraction of the last wave, despite it been over run by this delta variant.

If we are meant to be a number of weeks behind the UK then it's even less of an event for us.

WertdeerSC wrote: »

What I wrote was taken from the source that I quoted. Not my words.

My point, if the death rates are so low, why does it feel to me like I am being railroaded into taking a vaccine. If not by the Government and media, but by individuals.

I'm in no great hurry to take something to prevent a virus that has a 0.05% chance of killing me. A vaccine that I have no real understanding of what it is doing to my body, god knows it's effects on me which may not be seen for 5,10,20 years.Yes, I might get long Covid, but I will weigh up the pros and cons and decide myself.

I'm surprised there isn't more scepticism, or are people just that desperate to go to the pub, etcetera? It's not like these big pharma's haven't got previous form. Anyone can Google and see the billions they've had to pay out in the States.

No I am not anti vax, I have had everything else over the years including not so common jabs for when I went travelling around the whole like rabies and dengue fever.

It's an interesting area for discussion, though not strictly Covid or vaccine related. Though it's late on a Saturday, so forgive me for paraphrasing articles I've read over past number of years without sources, and a few generalisations, and it's based on research findings which could be plain wrong!
It could be assumed that the migrant workers are from deprived, or at least poorer areas (Indian subcontinent or Africa) Some studies have shown that many from deprived areas actually have hyper active immune systems throughout childhood and early adult years. However there's a pay back- lower life expectancy, possibly due to the stress on the body this causes. One example of such a longitudinal
study was of some estates in Glasgow eg Calton which had lowest life expectancy in Europe, 54, in mid 00's( in fact lower than Iraq even during war). Those enrolled in the study actually rarely got sick in their youth or early adulthood, even from common illnesses. Yet rates of heart disease, stroke etc in late 40s/ 50s etc was through the roof. ( Yes drug, alcohol abuse etc far higher but this was factored in).
So based on some studies it could be assumed that younger adults from deprived areas, would actually have " better" immune systems.
The first wave in India showed similar results. In slums of Calcutta and Delhi very few showed any symptoms of Covid. (Though they were rarely overweight, and the high level of diabetes in India is mainly seen in the Middle classes) However studies involving antibody tests showed a very high level throughout that population.
To digress slightly, and to over simplify, in some areas of Africa where one form of Malaria is present, sickle cell anemia is far more common than the norm. It appears to offer protection against that form of malaria. However it generally leads to serious complications in later life, and shortens it.
Tl;Dr nature/ evolution/ whatever is very good at ensuring you live long enough to procreate and rear offspring. It appears some or many from deprived areas have stronger immune systems up to early adulthood, and this may apply to Covid as with everything else. However, as with everything, the piper must be paid for those people, ie lower life expectancy.
(I take any vaccine available, including Comirnaty/ Pfizer, just in case!)

lucernarian wrote: »

I would argue this goes too far, people shouldn't have to be virologists to understand the consequences of what they're taking. This is why Phase 4 "trials" are a thing, ruling out any unintended consequences of a medication or preventative medication.

I agree. But that poster is not listening to the experts who have explained the benefits of taking and the consequences of not taking. The poster just doesn’t like it. He’s no different to people who think they can treat their cancer with diet and no chemotherapy.

They have the evidence base expert given information. They just don’t want to hear it. So for the level of assurance they require - they’d have to be experts in that field. Of course if they were - they would take it.

lucernarian wrote: »

The risks from covid are still far worse than vaccination currently. That's arguably the main point and anyone questioning the worth of them should remember the body bags in northern Italy and New York.

Agreed. Though I found the dead bodies on the streets of India more powerful.

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Agreed.

“We had 8,000 in Croke park today, it went great, let’s extrapolate that and have 80,000 next”

“Eh no”

Obviously not a Galway or a Wexford fan!

Meanwhile the UK are going ahead with their Freedom Day on 19 July according to the Sunday Times here (paywall):

From July 19, masks will become voluntary in all settings, including shops, hospitality and public transport.

The requirement to scan a QR code when entering a bar, restaurant, hairdresser, gym, museum or other venue will be dropped. The government will scrap the regulations that require businesses to collect customers’ contact tracing details.

In a news conference early this week, Boris Johnson is also expected to announce plans to drop social distancing rules

House parties will no longer be outlawed and mass events, such as music festivals, will be allowed.

JTMan wrote: »

Meanwhile the UK are going ahead with their Freedom Day on 19 July according to the Sunday Times here (paywall):

That's just going to be a mess tbh

Shin

is_that_so wrote: »

Curfews make no sense to us but they do in the likes of France and the Med where people tend to go out and stay out a lot later.

And the Netherlands too?

lucernarian wrote: »

And the Netherlands too?

If they've implemented one I'd assume so. No personal experience of it.

TefalBrain wrote: »

NPHET are going to have to dream up some other variant or way to scare people now. Delta is a wet fart and the vaccines are keeping the vulnerable and old free from any effects. The tsunami of cases they are hoping for isn't even coming forward and people have being going about life normally now for weeks here.

It's time for Martin to at least act like a leader and tell NPHET to stand down and let's get people back working and paying taxes. We face an incredibly rough few years ahead trying to pay for all the over the top measures we had to put in place and we must knuckle down asap without delay.

Ah .... I've spotted a problem