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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #8132
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    This week compared to last.

    515 more cases (2341 v 2856)
    1 fewer in hospital (43 v 42)
    1 more in ICU (14 v 13)


    The higher weekly case rise is now factored in which would include the cluster outbreaks in Sligo, Athlone and Waterford.

    Another week whereby the hospital situation remains in a very stable position and the 4.3M and counting vaccines administered has played its part in that thus far.


  • #8133
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    This lambda variant is really concerning.


  • #8134
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tony and co have tried to use their "science" models to abandon logic and just opt for zero tolerance policies. Even a broken clock is right twice a day ffs. This 4th wave "may" see thousands dead is like the 50,000 extinctions every year to come etc..fearmongering designed to get old folks giving us all the stink eye..i feel terrible for old people..stories of rural break ins, stories of care home abuse and now they're terrorised by worst case scenarios carried into their homes by the national broadcaster..shame on all of them. Cuntz.


  • #8135
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    This lambda variant is really concerning.

    The next two Greek letters are crucial


  • #8136
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,033 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    The next two Greek letters are crucial

    An independent public inquiry is crucial.


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  • #8137
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    With regards to the ‘pilot’ events, I have to say I just don’t get it. Look I’m glad live events are back but this bordering on freakish control

    I was at Croker today for the hurling. Enjoyable games. However, constant reminders from stewards, staff, embarrassed volunteers and speakers to wear masks. Outside with no one with 20 metres of most people given the 10% attendance. Fairly odd. Outside in a half empty stadium and still told you’ve to wear a mask while watching the game.

    Then tonight’s gig. From all accounts, despite the negative test requirement, you’re still not allowed to mingle with other “households”. You’d have to wonder what’s the point? What is there to gain if we don’t allow people to mix? We’re not going to find anything. Most of these events will pass with little or no positives and they’ll pat themselves on the back. But nothing will have been learned. These crop circle / distanced gigs aren’t a sustainable model.

    10% or 20% capacity won’t save industries.


  • #8138
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    There was a lot of talk at the beginning of all this, including on this thread, about the theory that some people, even many people, who come across someone with Covid and would otherwise be infected, don't get infected. The virus can't attach to their cells, as all our cells are different, and therefore the person isn't infected with Covid at all. Is this still true? Is this the case with most viruses? Or is the consensus now that everyone in the vicinity of someone with Covid is probably going to get it, and it's just a case of you getting a 'mild' dose, a more serious dose (hopefully lessened with one or two vaccines) or you'll get it but you won't experience any symptoms? Lot of questions, sorry!


  • #8139
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,991 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    The next two Greek letters are crucial

    Will we have to go all the way through to omega?


  • #8140
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    With regards to the ‘pilot’ events, I have to say I just don’t get it. Look I’m glad live events are back but this bordering on freakish control

    I was at Croker today for the hurling. Enjoyable games. However, constant reminders from stewards, staff, embarrassed volunteers and speakers to wear masks. Outside with no one with 20 metres of most people given the 10% attendance. Fairly odd. Outside in a half empty stadium and still told you’ve to wear a mask while watching the game.

    Then tonight’s gig. From all accounts, despite the negative test requirement, you’re still not allowed to mingle with other “households”. You’d have to wonder what’s the point? What is there to gain if we don’t allow people to mix? We’re not going to find anything. Most of these events will pass with little or no positives and they’ll pat themselves on the back. But nothing will have been learned. These crop circle / distanced gigs aren’t a sustainable model.

    10% or 20% capacity won’t save industries.

    And hotels all over the country packed with residents and walk-ins all day for the games.

    But let's ignore that.


  • #8141
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Will we have to go all the way through to omega?

    No need to worry, we'll all be dead by then due to the super tsunami of cases from the Iota variant, meanwhile the rest of the world will have moved on.

    #holdfirm


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  • #8142
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    With regards to the ‘pilot’ events, I have to say I just don’t get it. Look I’m glad live events are back but this bordering on freakish control

    I was at Croker today for the hurling. Enjoyable games. However, constant reminders from stewards, staff, embarrassed volunteers and speakers to wear masks. Outside with no one with 20 metres of most people given the 10% attendance. Fairly odd. Outside in a half empty stadium and still told you’ve to wear a mask while watching the game.

    Then tonight’s gig. From all accounts, despite the negative test requirement, you’re still not allowed to mingle with other “households”. You’d have to wonder what’s the point? What is there to gain if we don’t allow people to mix? We’re not going to find anything. Most of these events will pass with little or no positives and they’ll pat themselves on the back. But nothing will have been learned. These crop circle / distanced gigs aren’t a sustainable model.

    10% or 20% capacity won’t save industries.

    It's covid theatre and nothing else. Nothing will be gained from it.


  • #8143
    beaz2018
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    zackory wrote: »
    And hotels all over the country packed with residents and walk-ins all day for the games.

    But let's ignore that.

    are hotels actually letting walks ins in? hilarious


  • #8144
    Ferris_Bueller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭Ferris_Bueller


    Agree on the test events, it's hard to see what they are learning from them. Shamrock Rovers had three test games over the past few weeks of 1,000 people, now they are due to go back down to 500 in line with the restrictions. What is the point of having the test events if you don't intend on increasing capacity if they are successful?

    I would have thought the three possible options with test events would be:
    A) Small crowds with little to no restrictions. Then you keep tabs on this group to see if Covid spreads within this group having attend a normal event without social distancing.

    B) Larger crowds but with restrictions such as masks.

    C) Small crowds with restrictions (which they are doing) but increase the test event capacities quickly if things are going well.


  • #8145
    gral6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gral6


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    are hotels actually letting walks ins in? hilarious


    Hotels need to survive too, these are not charity shops and their incomes are not guaranteed like incomes for imbeciles in government.


  • #8146
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    are hotels actually letting walks ins in? hilarious

    What's the difference between a walk in and a booking?


  • #8147
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    What's the difference between a walk in and a booking?

    Contact tracing for a start I suppose


  • #8148
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Contact tracing for a start I suppose

    Take down name and number plus log the time. There's your contact tracing sorted!


  • #8149
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    It's covid theatre and nothing else. Nothing will be gained from it.

    Agreed.

    “We had 8,000 in Croke park today, it went great, let’s extrapolate that and have 80,000 next”

    “Eh no”


  • #8150
    beaz2018
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    gral6 wrote: »
    Hotels need to survive too, these are not charity shops and their incomes are not guaranteed like incomes for imbeciles in government.

    I agree 100%. Im glad to hear its happening tbh, I thought they have been ass raped so much at this stage that they wudnt dare break a rule.


  • #8151
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    questionmark? wrote: »
    Take down name and number plus log the time. There's your contact tracing sorted!

    I was only answering a question asked !! I dont make the silly rules !


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  • #8152
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    This has to be a joke! Where’s the parade ring? Looks like a cattle mart!! https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1411374790481428487?s=21


  • #8153
    aziz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭aziz


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    This has to be a joke! Where’s the parade ring? Looks like a cattle mart!! https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1411374790481428487?s=21

    Where do they keep the free range punters


  • #8154
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    aziz wrote: »
    Where do they keep the free range punters

    No fear I’d say a good few of those at the festival like organic and free range goods!


  • #8155
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Contact tracing for a start I suppose

    But the details they give are the same, whether over booking.com a month before or rocking up on the day.


  • #8156
    WertdeerSC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭WertdeerSC


    "On December 14, 2020 Singapore’s Ministry of Health communicated a summary of the steps it took to contain a raging Covid-19 breakout in its migrant worker living facilities. The report itself claimed that the city-state had over 320,000 migrant workers living in cramped dormitories and around 47% (or a little over 152,000) contracted Covid-19. There were only two deaths and 25 admissions to ICU. That gives us an infection fatality rate of .0013% and a hospitalisation rate of .016%.

    The short answer to what this means is that it confirms earlier data that people under 65 are largely safe from Covid.
    In this case it seems like the death rate was especially low, which seems to align with a recent study published by Dr. John Ioannidis with the WHO. According to the study,
    “In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.” (99.95% chance it won't kill you)

    Article source, https://www.aier.org/article/singapores-covid-experience-and-overestimated-death-rates/


  • #8157
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    AIER, LOL.


  • #8158
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,305 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Tell that to those under 65 who have died or were seriously ill.


    This old chestnut has been done to death.


    Now, you discuss.


  • #8159
    Smee_Again
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    A few under 50s I work with have long covid and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

    There’s a wide range of outcomes between 100% recovered and death.


  • #8160
    WertdeerSC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭WertdeerSC


    I know it's only a small sample size, but I know of one person who died and another who had a blood clot on the brain and stroke within 2 and 6 days resepctively of their second vaccine. I don't know of anyone who had any serious or even moderate complications from a C-19 infection. I know one who had a cold for a week, and two others with zero symptoms. All I can speak about here is personal experience. I am not a C-19 denier.


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  • #8161
    karlitob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭karlitob


    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    The short answer to what this means is that it confirms earlier data that people under 65 are largely safe from Covid.

    Notwithstanding whatever you mean be ‘largely safe’. The death rate across all ages been known from very early on. It’s not a secret that you found on the internet. It’s on the HPSC website every day/week.

    What’s your point?


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