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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #8162
    karlitob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭karlitob


    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    I know it's only a small sample size, but I know of one person who died and another who had a blood clot on the brain and stroke within 2 and 6 days resepctively of their second vaccine. I don't know of anyone who had any serious or even moderate complications from a C-19 infection. I know one who had a cold for a week, and two others with zero symptoms. All I can speak about here is personal experience. I am not a C-19 denier.


    About 30,000 die every year.
    About 10,000 people have a stroke every year.

    What’s your point?


  • #8163
    WertdeerSC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭WertdeerSC


    karlitob wrote: »
    About 30,000 die every year.
    About 10,000 people have a stroke every year.

    What’s your point?

    That more people that I know of, have negatively impacted by the vaccine/s than the virus. Yet societally, it's somehow wrong of me to have concerns about the vaccines.


  • #8164
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    I know it's only a small sample size, but I know of one person who died and another who had a blood clot on the brain and stroke within 2 and 6 days resepctively of their second vaccine. I don't know of anyone who had any serious or even moderate complications from a C-19 infection. I know one who had a cold for a week, and two others with zero symptoms. All I can speak about here is personal experience. I am not a C-19 denier.

    Complete opposite here. Know a few that got covid, some recovered and some with long covid and I know loads that got the vaccine and no issue with them.


  • #8165
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    Yet societally, it's somehow wrong of me to have concerns about the vaccines.

    Ah, there we go. That didn't hurt a bit, did it?


  • #8166
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    It’s scary to think we’ll be sat outside whilst they can sit at a bar and not have think about putting a mask on to go for a piss!
    Masks to be made voluntary, personal responsibility and no more social distancing in just over 2 weeks for England!

    https://news.sky.com/story/sundays-national-newspaper-front-pages-12348265


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  • #8167
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Don't worry this thread will be shut down soon as we can't be discussing the reality that median age of death is 83 and that 99.97% of those under 45 will survive getting covid. There's not enough fear and doom and gloom in that sentence so the discussion will be shut down shortly or merged with another thread so it will disappear forever.


  • #8168
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭celt262


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    Agreed.

    “We had 8,000 in Croke park today, it went great, let’s extrapolate that and have 80,000 next”

    “Eh no”

    Source that it went great?

    Only kidding!


  • #8169
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭celt262


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    This has to be a joke! Where’s the parade ring? Looks like a cattle mart!! https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1411374790481428487?s=21

    Some test that.


  • #8170
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    It’s scary to think we’ll be sat outside whilst they can sit at a bar and not have think about putting a mask on to go for a piss!
    Masks to be made voluntary, personal responsibility and no more social distancing in just over 2 weeks for England!

    https://news.sky.com/story/sundays-national-newspaper-front-pages-12348265

    They don't have a clue what they're doing. Look at Israel, they had to bring back mask wearing after about a week. So I wouldn't be too concerned with what our neighbours are doing.


  • #8171
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    To answer the supposed original post, the reason the CFR was so low amongst Singapore migrant workers living in dormitories is because they were almost all under 50 (the age limit for a new work permit) and healthy enough to work. Hence "workers".

    But this isn't really a thread about Singapore migrant workers or even libertarian clowns at the AIER.

    It's another thinly disguised pre-text for antivax.

    Yawn.


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  • #8172
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    fun loving criminal wrote: »
    They don't have a clue what they're doing. Look at Israel, they had to bring back mask wearing after about a week. So I wouldn't be too concerned with what our neighbours are doing.

    They have a clue and it’s called living with covid a la like we do with influenza. If we keep going the way we are going we’ll never return to normal and will forever be the outliers of Europe


  • #8173
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,469 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Threads merged


  • #8174
    WertdeerSC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭WertdeerSC


    karlitob wrote: »
    Notwithstanding whatever you mean be ‘largely safe’. The death rate across all ages been known from very early on. It’s not a secret that you found on the internet. It’s on the HPSC website every day/week.

    What’s your point?

    What I wrote was taken from the source that I quoted. Not my words.

    My point, if the death rates are so low, why does it feel to me like I am being railroaded into taking a vaccine. If not by the Government and media, but by individuals.

    I'm in no great hurry to take something to prevent a virus that has a 0.05% chance of killing me. A vaccine that I have no real understanding of what it is doing to my body, god knows it's effects on me which may not be seen for 5,10,20 years.Yes, I might get long Covid, but I will weigh up the pros and cons and decide myself.

    I'm surprised there isn't more scepticism, or are people just that desperate to go to the pub, etcetera? It's not like these big pharma's haven't got previous form. Anyone can Google and see the billions they've had to pay out in the States.

    No I am not anti vax, I have had everything else over the years including not so common jabs for when I went travelling around the whole like rabies and dengue fever.


  • #8175
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    fun loving criminal wrote: »
    They don't have a clue what they're doing. Look at Israel, they had to bring back mask wearing after about a week. So I wouldn't be too concerned with what our neighbours are doing.

    I dunno, Israel maybe are being a little too over cautious, a bit like ourselves maybe?


  • #8176
    karlitob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭karlitob


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Don't worry this thread will be shut down soon as we can't be discussing the reality that median age of death is 83 and that 99.97% of those under 45 will survive getting covid. There's not enough fear and doom and gloom in that sentence so the discussion will be shut down shortly or merged with another thread so it will disappear forever.

    What do you want to discuss. Attached are the death rates.


  • #8177
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    What I wrote was taken from the source that I quoted. Not my words.

    My point, if the death rates are so low, why does it feel to me like I am being railroaded into taking a vaccine. If not by the Government and media, but by individuals.

    I'm in no great hurry to take something to prevent a virus that has a 0.05% chance of killing me. A vaccine that I have no real understanding of what it is doing to my body, god knows it's effects on me which may not be seen for 5,10,20 years.Yes, I might get long Covid, but I will weigh up the pros and cons and decide myself.

    I'm surprised there isn't more scepticism, or are people just that desperate to go to the pub, etcetera? It's not like these big pharma's haven't got previous form. Anyone can Google and see the billions they've had to pay out in the States.

    No I am not anti vax, I have had everything else over the years including not so common jabs for when I went travelling around the whole like rabies and dengue fever.

    Two things: what's the distinction you'd make between the available vaccines and ones you've taken before? Things like "speed of development", safety records at particular companies involved in making it, personal risk etc would clarify.

    2nd thing: given the vaccines do appear to be working and preventing transmission, why would you take your chances with covid (and its long term effects) over vaccines that have minimal serious side effects demonstrated to date?


  • #8178
    karlitob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭karlitob


    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    What I wrote was taken from the source that I quoted. Not my words.

    My point, if the death rates are so low, why does it feel to me like I am being railroaded into taking a vaccine. If not by the Government and media, but by individuals.

    I'm in no great hurry to take something to prevent a virus that has a 0.05% chance of killing me. A vaccine that I have no real understanding of what it is doing to my body, god knows it's effects on me which may not be seen for 5,10,20 years.Yes, I might get long Covid, but I will weigh up the pros and cons and decide myself.

    I'm surprised there isn't more scepticism, or are people just that desperate to go to the pub, etcetera? It's not like these big pharma's haven't got previous form. Anyone can Google and see the billions they've had to pay out in the States.

    No I am not anti vax, I have had everything else over the years including not so common jabs for when I went travelling around the whole like rabies and dengue fever.

    You’re clearly anti-vax or else you wouldn’t be asking these ‘questions’.

    You must’ve had some seriously harsh words with your parents for forcing you to take the 3 in 1, the BCG and the MMR.

    What do you think ‘society’s view is on your parents for forcing you to undergo such a dastardly act.


  • #8179
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I dunno, Israel maybe are being a little too over cautious, a bit like ourselves maybe?
    Important thing to point out: they have significant populations of unvaccinated vulnerable people. Ireland doesn't even have that 😂


  • #8180
    WertdeerSC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭WertdeerSC


    Lumen wrote: »
    To answer the supposed original post, the reason the CFR was so low amongst Singapore migrant workers living in dormitories is because they were almost all under 50 (the age limit for a new work permit) and healthy enough to work. Hence "workers".

    But this isn't really a thread about Singapore migrant workers or even libertarian clowns at the AIER.

    It's another thinly disguised pre-text for antivax.

    Yawn.

    Ahhh, here we go, anyone that asks any questions is labelled an 'anti-vaxxer' how very convenient. You've identified precisely my point, the risk for those under 50 (or actually identified as under 70 by the WHO) is low. Any vaccine which has been around for such a short period of time is a long-term unknown and I would commend people that actually have concerns about what the long term effects on their health could possibly be...no one knows, we just have to wait for the effluxion of time.


  • #8181
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,356 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    When they are reporting the daily figures now are they back reporting deaths again?(if there were any deaths)


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  • #8182
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    lucernarian wrote: »
    Important thing to point out: they have significant populations of unvaccinated vulnerable people. Ireland doesn't even have that ��

    That is true, some older age groups take up is much lower than in Ireland, however they would be similar to other parts of Europe. Yet other parts of Europe don't seem worried about an increase in cases.


  • #8183
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    beaz2018 wrote: »
    are hotels actually letting walks ins in? hilarious

    Most definitely are. And big well known hotels and chains too. Been in a few myself. Watched the hurling today in one with 5 mates having just strolled in. Was asked for room number and we said we didn't have one. No issue at all. Left that hotel and then went to another hotel close by. Again, nothing said when asked about room number. The questions seemed to be more so about payment method as was table service.

    Should add, we're all fully vaxxed.


  • #8184
    WertdeerSC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭WertdeerSC


    lucernarian wrote: »
    Two things: what's the distinction you'd make between the available vaccines and ones you've taken before? Things like "speed of development", safety records at particular companies involved in making it, personal risk etc would clarify.

    2nd thing: given the vaccines do appear to be working and preventing transmission, why would you take your chances with covid (and its long term effects) over vaccines that have minimal serious side effects demonstrated to date?


    Answers to both fall under the same umbrella, the length of time that the vaccines have been around and have been administered. I do not personally feel comfortable or safe with the idea of any of these new vaccines, and until such a time as I do, I will not be taking one.


  • #8185
    karlitob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭karlitob


    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    My point, if the death rates are so low, why does it feel to me like I am being railroaded into taking a vaccine. If not by the Government and media, but by individuals. .

    I don’t know what you feel or why you feel it.
    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    I'm in no great hurry to take something to prevent a virus that has a 0.05% chance of killing me. .

    I’d say you’re confusing probability with incidence and prevalence.

    Other questions -
    - what viruses have a higher chance than killing you than that? I’d love to know.
    - what number is your cut off for taking the vaccine. 0.06%
    - Would you take a vaccine for Ebola? Or if your child or family member were at risk of getting Ebola. Would you take a vaccine then.
    - what about businesses in ireland and all over the world that can’t open; would you take it for them.
    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    A vaccine that I have no real understanding of what it is doing to my body, god knows it's effects on me which may not be seen for 5,10,20 years. .

    You’re a pleb like the rest of us. Sure how would you have any understanding of vaccines? You’re not a virologist.

    You have lots of vaccines in you that were given to you 20 years ago. How’re you getting on?

    How long would you like vaccines to put into other peoples bodies before they go into yours?

    You do know that most disease modifying drugs are all new - pembro, Orkambi. Jesus even bisphosphonates are new. If you had cancer would you not take these drugs? If you had CF would you not take these drugs?
    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    Yes, I might get long Covid, but I will weigh up the pros and cons and decide myself. .

    But sure if you’ve never had long Covid how could you weigh up the pros and cons. You’ve as much knowledge of long Covid as you do on Covid or vaccines.
    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    I'm surprised there isn't more scepticism, or are people just that desperate to go to the pub, etcetera? It's not like these big pharma's haven't got previous form. Anyone can Google and see the billions they've had to pay out in the States. .

    I’m surprised there is scepticism. Or are people just that desperate to be individuals who think they know more than the experts.

    It’s not like big pharma haven’t got precious form - just google, or look out the window - to see how many people have benefited from big pharma. You sound like a lad who’s never had antibiotics, never had paracetomol, never had an anaesthetic before surgery.

    WertdeerSC wrote: »
    No I am not anti vax, I have had everything else over the years including not so common jabs for when I went travelling around the whole like rabies and dengue fever.

    Yes you are.

    You had to take those when travelling or you wouldn’t have been allowed in.


  • #8186
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    That is true, some older age groups take up is much lower than in Ireland, however they would be similar to other parts of Europe. Yet other parts of Europe don't seem worried about an increase in cases.

    You skipped my other point though. It's impossibly broad to characterise why takeup in other parts of Europe is low. I suspect the public health officials and existing notions about them are fuelling overt caution, along with the speed of development and possibly more "fringe" theories circulating around. If only as much scrutiny was aimed at the Chinese authorities as the vaccines themselves...


  • #8187
    karlitob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭karlitob


    WertdeerSC wrote: »



    Answers to both fall under the same umbrella, the length of time that the vaccines have been around and have been administered. I do not personally feel comfortable or safe with the idea of any of these new vaccines, and until such a time as I do, I will not be taking one.

    So you’re against taking the vaccination. Stay with me here….this makes you anti (against) taking the vaccination ….anti-vaccination….anti-vax.


  • #8188
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    lucernarian wrote: »
    You skipped my other point though. It's impossibly broad to characterise why takeup in other parts of Europe is low. I suspect the public health officials and existing notions about them are fuelling overt caution, along with the speed of development and possibly more "fringe" theories circulating around. If only as much scrutiny was aimed at the Chinese authorities as the vaccines themselves...

    I would guess that vaccine uptake in Ireland is higher than everywhere else because Ireland has had the longest and strictest suppression measures in Europe

    We all wanted to take the vaccine to return to normal after a rough 12 odd months

    Most of Europe didn’t suffer such lengthy suppression so they were already normal so to speak and weren’t as motivated as the Irish to register for the vaccine


  • #8189
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    karlitob wrote: »
    I don’t know what you feel or why you feel it.



    I’d say you’re confusing probability with incidence and prevalence.

    Other questions -
    - what viruses have a higher chance than killing you than that? I’d love to know.
    - what number is your cut off for taking the vaccine. 0.06%
    - Would you take a vaccine for Ebola? Or if your child or family member were at risk of getting Ebola. Would you take a vaccine then.
    - what about businesses in ireland and all over the world that can’t open; would you take it for them.



    You’re a pleb like the rest of us. Sure how would you have any understanding of vaccines? You’re not a virologist.

    You have lots of vaccines in you that were given to you 20 years ago. How’re you getting on?

    How long would you like vaccines to put into other peoples bodies before they go into yours?

    You do know that most disease modifying drugs are all new - pembro, Orkambi. Jesus even bisphosphonates are new. If you had cancer would you not take these drugs? If you had CF would you not take these drugs?



    But sure if you’ve never had long Covid how could you weigh up the pros and cons. You’ve as much knowledge of long Covid as you do on Covid or vaccines.



    I’m surprised there is scepticism. Or are people just that desperate to be individuals who think they know more than the experts.

    It’s not like big pharma haven’t got precious form - just google, or look out the window - to see how many people have benefited from big pharma. You sound like a lad who’s never had antibiotics, never had paracetomol, never had an anaesthetic before surgery.

    Yes you are.

    You had to take those when travelling or you wouldn’t have been allowed in.
    I would argue this goes too far, people shouldn't have to be virologists to understand the consequences of what they're taking. This is why Phase 4 "trials" are a thing, ruling out any unintended consequences of a medication or preventative medication.

    The risks from covid are still far worse than vaccination currently. That's arguably the main point and anyone questioning the worth of them should remember the body bags in northern Italy and New York.


  • #8190
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    They have a clue and it’s called living with covid a la like we do with influenza. If we keep going the way we are going we’ll never return to normal and will forever be the outliers of Europe

    They aren't living with covid. They allowed flights from India and allowed the Delta variant to take off. Living with covid means keeping new variants out which they and we certainly aren't doing.


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  • #8191
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,449 ✭✭✭brickster69


    fun loving criminal wrote: »
    They don't have a clue what they're doing.

    Totally clueless they are :pac::pac::pac:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-surpasses-500000-coronavirus-covid-19-tests-genomically-sequenced

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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