Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

acequion · 02-07-2021 12:16PM

I've kept away from this thread, all media and social media since the latest NPHET dictates on Tuesday for sanity sake. But reading the last few pages in a calmer frame of mind, what strikes me is the usual Irish over caution. This time over protests.Perhaps not caution, rather, innate conservatism, innate apathy, innate despair. In any other country there would be riots. In any other country people wouldn't overthink it so much, they would go with their anger and there is nothing like collective controlled fury to get results and give people back their power.

I fully agree with emails to TDs and have done so. But we need to go a lot further and there needs to be protests in every town and city in this country. Everyone needs to cry STOP here. Because if we don't this will not end. MM fears NPHET and NPHET fear no one. Because they've been allowed to they have gone way beyond their remit and way beyond what is necessary to protect public health and miles beyond what is reasonable and bearable. If they're isn't a serious campaign of opposition now in summer I shudder to think how the winter will be.

facehugger99 · 02-07-2021 12:21PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Restrictions are temporary in the the same way the University Social Charge is temporary.

VRT - another temporary measure we introduced back in 1992 which was phased out over the following 4 years as planned - right?

ELM327 · 02-07-2021 12:24PM

Income tax was initially temporary as well.
Motor tax was permanently abolished and then added back in a few years

This annexation of Ireland by nphet morons better end soon.

OwenM · 02-07-2021 12:24PM

jakiah wrote: »

Sure NPHET cant lose, they've modelled all scenarios but are pushing the worst case as the one we need to prepare for. If cases rise they'll say told you so. If they dont they claim it was their measures that saved us all. Government have literally said they'll go along with whatever NPHET say.

The are untouchable, its crazy the amount of power they have at this point.

People only perceive them to have power because of a lack of leadership from Micheal Martin. NPHET advice was waved through because he hides behind them and believes that following their advice insulates him from blame, he's done this his whole career.

CruelSummer · 02-07-2021 12:25PM

acequion wrote: »

I've kept away from this thread, all media and social media since the latest NPHET dictates on Tuesday for sanity sake. But reading the last few pages in a calmer frame of mind, what strikes me is the usual Irish over caution. This time over protests.Perhaps not caution, rather, innate conservatism, innate apathy, innate despair. In any other country there would be riots. In any other country people wouldn't overthink it so much, they would go with their anger and there is nothing like collective controlled fury to get results and give people back their power.

I fully agree with emails to TDs and have done so. But we need to go a lot further and there needs to be protests in every town and city in this country. Everyone needs to cry STOP here. Because if we don't this will not end. MM fears NPHET and NPHET fear no one. Because they've been allowed to they have gone way beyond their remit and way beyond what is necessary to protect public health and miles beyond what is reasonable and bearable. If they're isn't a serious campaign of opposition now in summer I shudder to think how the winter will be.

Totally agree - IF there's a protest Saturday that isn't the usual anti vaxx stuff - everyone should tweet their support from their own locations, stand outside closed premises with out of work staff. We need to take a stand and fight back. History shows this will not end well for the Irish people with someone at the helm drunk on power. There is a major power vacuum within Irish Government - which Dr Tony and NPHET have been allowed to fill. The amount of propaganda not backed up by science in the newspapers and across radio over the last two days is sobering. This is far beyond a public health response - and this is not about public health anymore. If it was - we'd be following our peers with reopening looking at our vaccination levels.
We're either going to live with this or we're not - time for the people to decide.

suicide_circus · 02-07-2021 12:26PM

A view from a friend who works in Dublin Aiport;

Traffic ramping up daily. Passengers from the US no longer have to quarantine and are arriving in increasing numbers each morning straight into the community while Irish holiday makers run the gauntlet of the garda checkpoints to jet off to Spain and Portugal. A few forlorn members of the Defence Forces hovering around the arrivals halls to escort a handful of mostly Irish people MQH. Dublin Airport Authority having made about 1 in 3 staff members redundant is already struggling in some areas to cope with the surge in passengers well in advance of July 19th.

lawrencesummers · 02-07-2021 12:27PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

This is the 2nd post on the same lines from you about Tony Holohan

You really think that 1 man has the power to destroy the country ?

It's actually contradictory what you are saying about his "shot at redemption" and then "burning the country to the ground "

His one tweet a few weeks back about young people socializing outside started a massive backlash that brought the riot squad into the streets of Dublin and here we are a few weeks later and no cases to backup his rant.

He should acknowledge that he was wrong and apologize for it..

lawrencesummers · 02-07-2021 12:29PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

A view from a friend who works in Dublin Aiport;

Traffic ramping up daily. Passengers from the US no longer have to quarantine and are arriving in increasing numbers each morning straight into the community while Irish holiday makers run the gauntlet of the garda checkpoints to jet off to Spain and Portugal. A few forlorn members of the Defence Forces hovering around the arrivals halls to escort a handful of mostly Irish people MQH. Dublin Airport Authority having made about 1 in 3 staff members redundant is already struggling in some areas to cope with the surge in passengers well in advance of July 19th.

You can be sure DAA will try and replace any of those staff with young, cheap and unvaccinated replacements instead of hiring back the previous people

MOR316 · 02-07-2021 12:35PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

His one tweet a few weeks back about young people socializing outside started a massive backlash that brought the riot squad into the streets of Dublin and here we are a few weeks later and no cases to backup his rant.

He should acknowledge that he was wrong and apologize for it..

He should have kept his grubby little fingers in his pocket!

He had absolutely no right whatsoever to tweet such a thing!
He's not the Taoiseach! He's not in Government! He's not the Mayor! He's not even a litter warden ffs!!

Stay in your lane, pal!

CruelSummer · 02-07-2021 12:38PM

seamus wrote: »

Protests over covid restrictions are not going to make a blind bit of difference tbh. These are temporary restrictions, the government will just let any protests happen because what's being protested about will be over eventually anyway.

It's not like they're going to suddenly go, "Yeah, some people are annoyed, so we're just going to open the pubs and to hell with the pandemic".

The right kind of protests would. I urge any businesses closed or with their indoor part closed to stand outside them and tweet their support to any genuine protest that occurs - even with some PUP receiving staff if a protest is organised. Time to put faces, families, premises, etc. all over our social media to visualise what is happening.
Same goes for Communions / Confirmations - they should be going ahead in a remote / safe fashion & advisories given re after parties. NPHET & Government's throwaway remarks about these Sacraments towards children is horrible. Most people have everything booked and are going ahead with the after-parties regardless. The way Government / NPHET are behaving about them in non-sensical. They can happen within current guidelines but have been singled out - NPHET basically said yesterday they don't' trust Stupid Paddy to be responsible, their whole mantra.
Tweet out the pictures of children in their outfits they don't get to make their Sacrament in. This has all gone too far and the Irish public need to take a stand and push back.

suicide_circus · 02-07-2021 12:38PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

You can be sure DAA will try and replace any of those staff with young, cheap and unvaccinated replacements instead of hiring back the previous people

Oh of course. Address your concerns to the chief shareholder - Minister for Transport Eamo

SAMTALK · 02-07-2021 12:39PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

His one tweet a few weeks back about young people socializing outside started a massive backlash that brought the riot squad into the streets of Dublin and here we are a few weeks later and no cases to backup his rant.

He should acknowledge that he was wrong and apologize for it..

That's nothing to do with what was posted though

I was referring to the shot at redemption and then the contradiction of burning down the country.

Padkir · 02-07-2021 12:41PM

I haven't read everything over the last couple of days as there is too much posting, so apologies if this has already been addressed.

If NPHET's advice that only fully vaccinated people are allowed to access indoor dining and drinking is accepted and implemented by government, will they be recommending that these businesses open with zero restrictions, given only vaccinated people can access them?

I suspect I know the answer... If not, why not?

gozunda · 02-07-2021 12:50PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Income tax was initially temporary as well.
Motor tax was permanently abolished and then added back in a few years

This annexation of Ireland by nphet morons better end soon.

Jaysus I never knew Nphet brought in income and motor tax :eek:

Hurrache · 02-07-2021 12:52PM

gozunda wrote: »

Jaysus I never knew Nphet brought in income and motor tax :eek:

You're missing 'road tax', and I also believe mask tax. It's their ruse in order to become rich off their advice.

MOH · 02-07-2021 12:54PM

gozunda wrote: »

he other thing that has changed is that Delta is on average between 40 - 60 % more transmissible...

Yet in the timeframe that Delta went from 0% to 55% of our cases, our case numbers dropped by 45% to a six month low, our active cases dropped by about 16%, our hospital figures dropped significantly, our death rate hit an 8-month low.

Do you not see any contradiction in that?

Either everyone is wrong about the increased transmissibility (highly unlikely), NPHETs estimates of the current prevalence of Delta in Ireland is wrong (but sure they're infallible), or all our figures are unreliable to the point of uselessness.

Maybe there's another explanation, I'd welcome one because any of those are quite concerning.

Archeron · 02-07-2021 01:00PM

Is it just me or does it seem that NPHET are actually deliberately undermining the government lately? Late data, wrong data, baseless predictions, plastering themselves in the limelight again while whipping the media into a frenzy with headlines using words like tsunami and hurricane of destruction. Absolute bollixology and no answers at all from government except repeating what their NPHET masters tell them.

lawrencesummers · 02-07-2021 01:01PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Oh of course. Address your concerns to the chief shareholder - Minister for Transport Eamo

Eammon is a bafoon, and a temporary one at that. The DAA won’t listen to a word that tree hugging aviation hating narcoleptic clown has to say.

namloc1980 · 02-07-2021 01:02PM

Archeron wrote: »

Is it just me or does it seem that NPHET are actually deliberately undermining the government lately? Late data, wrong data, baseless predictions, plastering themselves in the limelight again while whipping the media into a frenzy with headlines using words like tsunami and hurricane of destruction. Absolute bollixology and no answers at all from government except repeating what their NPHET masters tell them.

As someone said on this thread you can either be part of NPHET or a media star, not both. NPHET having media briefings is nonsense at this point and is just them inserting themselves into the limelight.

lawrencesummers · 02-07-2021 01:03PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

That's nothing to do with what was posted though

I was referring to the shot at redemption and then the contradiction of burning down the country.

It has plenty to do with his judgement, his rash decision making and it’s the perfect example of his over cautious stance towards socializing.

People need to see that he is wrong about some things because in some peoples eyes he is infallible

normanoffside · 02-07-2021 01:03PM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

I'm sure its been asked before but were figures produced of the number of people in hospital because of covid and not just with covid?. Similarly deaths of people because of covid rather than with covid?

Hospital numbers with Covid has always been the way.
Everybody gets tested before being admitted and if they test positive they are a hospital admission regardless of the reason of admission.

Obviously if they have Covid they are moved to a Covid Ward.

namloc1980 · 02-07-2021 01:06PM

Donnelly tells the Dáil that the outbreak in Waterford arose from an outdoor gathering at a pub.

normanoffside · 02-07-2021 01:08PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Totally agree - IF there's a protest Saturday that isn't the usual anti vaxx stuff - everyone should tweet their support from their own locations, stand outside closed premises with out of work staff. We need to take a stand and fight back. History shows this will not end well for the Irish people with someone at the helm drunk on power. There is a major power vacuum within Irish Government - which Dr Tony and NPHET have been allowed to fill. The amount of propaganda not backed up by science in the newspapers and across radio over the last two days is sobering. This is far beyond a public health response - and this is not about public health anymore. If it was - we'd be following our peers with reopening looking at our vaccination levels.
We're either going to live with this or we're not - time for the people to decide.

There is tomorrow at 12 at the GPO

https://www.instagram.com/p/CQuSSY0nPDL/

OwenM · 02-07-2021 01:10PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Hospital numbers with Covid has always been the way.
Everybody gets tested before being admitted and if they test positive they are a hospital admission regardless of the reason of admission.

Obviously if they have Covid they are moved to a Covid Ward.

Are they though? If I'm admitted for a cardiac procedure and test positive while in hospital, am I going to be moved to another part of the hospital where the expertise isn't on hand? Genuine question.

Lots of people have been infected in hospital while admitted for something else and many of them have to have been asymptomatic - so what am I now? - a covid patient or a cardiac patient?

mikekerry · 02-07-2021 01:10PM

RunningFlyer wrote: »

Starting to think this is a coordinated offensive to push younger people to get vaccinated ASAP. Theres no other reason they can be on air all over the stations today coming out with these doom forecasts.

Whereas other countries (eg US) are incentivising young people to get vaccinated, here we are jointly scaring the older ages, whilst telling young people nothing will change or reopen further unless you get your vaccine.

Depressing really when you think about it. Genuinely feels like Catholic Church scandals all over again.

Its obvious this is what they are doing. Scare the sh*** out of people so they will take the jab

Quags · 02-07-2021 01:10PM

The "Delta" variant has a case fatality rate of 0.1% (Public Health England, 11 June 2021).

The true infection fatality rate is lower than this.

Common symptoms are said to include a headache, sore throat and runny nose.

In other words, it is a cold.

Zebra3 · 02-07-2021 01:12PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

"It's inevitable", "nothing we can do" etc. Absolutely depressing doom mongers is what they are.

Then why do anything? Why have any restrictions?

They’ve just said there’s NOTHING we can do!!

Open up so!!

Or are they lying???

agoodpunt · 02-07-2021 01:14PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Donnelly tells the Dáil that the outbreak in Waterford arose from an outdoor gathering at a pub.

That was a funeral attended by a group from the uk if it was the settle community would have been an outcry

bloopy · 02-07-2021 01:15PM

mikekerry wrote: »

Its obvious this is what they are doing. Scare the sh*** out of people so they will take the jab

This has been obvious since Martins speech on Tuesday.

is_that_so · 02-07-2021 01:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Did 80% of all adults have their first dose by the end of June? Remember there was a big hoopla about that in early may.

That hoopla was done in by supplies as usual. Now up to Version 31 of the plan!

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings