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Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

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  • #4112
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 275 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    josip wrote: »
    Why are NPHET's recommendations always 'leaked' to the press the day before the cabinet meets to discuss them?
    They seem to do a bit more than boiler plate 'advising'.

    I imagine it's firefighting before the blame game happens....

    The government ignored them when they shouldn't have early on in the pandemic, and now here we are...

    The advised last year to have one big lockdown straight away so they could bolster health services, but didn't...

    I also imagine the huge numbers in the models take into account Ireland's ICU's being overwhelmed quite fast...

    That's worst case obviously, which they are naturally going to lean towards with a vaccinated population well under heard immunity numbers...

    It also assumes that the delta variant is more deadly, which a lot of people will argue it's not, just more transmissible


  • #4113
    IRISHSPORTSGUY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭IRISHSPORTSGUY


    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1409143255846035466

    Moderna will be delivering more than expected to Germany in July and then doubling in August. I expect this is EU-wide?


  • #4114
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭political analyst


    happywednesday wrote: »
    I imagine it's firefighting before the blame game happens....

    The government ignored them when they shouldn't have early on in the pandemic, and now here we are...

    The advised last year to have one big lockdown straight away so they could bolster health services, but didn't...

    I also imagine the huge numbers in the models take into account Ireland's ICU's being overwhelmed quite fast...

    That's worst case obviously, which they are naturally going to lean towards with a vaccinated population well under heard immunity numbers...

    It also assumes that the delta variant is more deadly, which a lot of people will argue it's not, just more transmissible

    Surely, the Delta variant has been around long enough for scientists to know whether or not it is deadlier than either the original strain or the Kent variant.

    Scientists' use of the phrase 'we don't know enough about it' is getting very tedious. Either they know or they don't know.


  • #4115
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1409143255846035466

    Moderna will be delivering more than expected to Germany in July and then doubling in August. I expect this is EU-wide?
    Should be now that they have more or less fulfilled their US contracts. It's always been a Q3 vaccine for volume.


  • #4116
    Bridge93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    Have we any sense when the pharmacies are likely to start vaccinating the under 50s with Jansen?


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  • #4117
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    political analyst wrote: »
    Surely, the Delta variant has been around long enough for scientists to know whether or not it is deadlier than either the original strain or the Kent variant.

    Scientists' use of the phrase 'we don't know enough about it' is getting very tedious. Either they know or they don't know.

    I'd say they just don't know...

    There are more variables with the delta variant over the earlier ones, such as:

    -if the vaccine is partially effective against it, that would suggest previous infection of a different variant would give similar protection, meaning there isn't a level "infection field"

    -people who are vulnerable to COVID are mostly already dead, vaccinated or recovered from it

    this complicates models, as you don't have such a clear cut answer to a lot of these new variables

    one thing that remains though is, Ireland's health service is in ****e, and doesn't take much to overwhelm, and if this variant has the potential to spike hospitalisations (which, judging by the UK, it has potential to, even in a vaccinated population),you will get a lot of people getting a lot sicker/dying due to lack of available care


  • #4118
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Have we any sense when the pharmacies are likely to start vaccinating the under 50s with Jansen?
    Nope, HSE will say.


  • #4119
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Nope, HSE will say.

    Having got the Janssen myself a couple of months ago, I'm curious to know if they have plans to use a booster.....


  • #4120
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    xboxdad wrote: »
    No, it doesn't mean that.

    It'd mean that compared to the original virus vs a fully unvaccinated population at Christmas, a 40-60% more transmissible virus can create a similar or even larger number of infections on the currently still very substantial unvaccinated population, in the same amount of time.

    That's how I understand it personally.

    More than 5 times more cases than that scenario, despite the huge numbers of both previously infected and single or fully dosed people already? Which will increase too? RTE commissioned some modelling a couple of weeks ago, and they estimated total community immunity to be at like 43% at the time. That is a HUGE amount of people and dramatically changes the outlook and modelling parameters.


  • #4121
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Having got the Janssen myself a couple of months ago, I'm curious to know if they have plans to use a booster.....
    There is talk but the primary aim is to get the first round in. Certainly the likes of care homes and the very vulnerable would be first but well into the autumn before they look at it IMO.


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  • #4122
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    is_that_so wrote: »
    There is talk but the primary aim is to get the first round in. Certainly the likes of care homes and the very vulnerable would be first but well into the autumn before they look at it IMO.

    Yeah, I think you're right and that's how it should be too anyway.


  • #4123
    skinny90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭skinny90


    Hi Folks,

    I suffer from asthma, its persistent.

    I didnt know I could have gone to my GP to avail of the Vaccine.

    I spoke to a friend whos Asthma would be less severe who just received his 2nd jab.

    I contacted my GP who informed me that as of 28th of May they are not giving C19 Jabs.

    I asked for them if it was possible to refer me to another GP who is still participating in giving jabs

    Is this possible?

    They are saying its not possible.

    They always have been quite rude and blunt but I just said check.

    I am in my 20s so i will be waiting some time


  • #4124
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,198 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    skinny90 wrote: »
    Hi Folks,
    I suffer from asthma, its persistent.
    I didnt know I could have gone to my GP to avail of the Vaccine.
    I spoke to a friend whos Asthma would be less severe who just received his 2nd jab.
    I contacted my GP who informed me that as of 28th of May they are not giving C19 Jabs.
    I asked for them if it was possible to refer me to another GP who is still participating in giving jabs
    Is this possible?
    They are saying its not possible.
    They always have been quite rude and blunt but I just said check.
    I am in my 20s so i will be waiting some time

    See this thread, there is a portal which GPs can use to refer you for vaccination at an MVC
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=117543876

    The HSE sent out comms to all GP practices on this rollout - it had been delayed by the cyber attack.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4125
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,202 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I know quite a few people (35-39, no underlying conditions) who have been vaccinated in their local GP in the last week or so. Am going to ring my own GP tomorrow to see if he's doing vaccines.


  • #4126
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    Posts: 275 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    skinny90 wrote: »
    Hi Folks,

    I suffer from asthma, its persistent.

    I didnt know I could have gone to my GP to avail of the Vaccine.

    I spoke to a friend whos Asthma would be less severe who just received his 2nd jab.

    I contacted my GP who informed me that as of 28th of May they are not giving C19 Jabs.

    I asked for them if it was possible to refer me to another GP who is still participating in giving jabs

    Is this possible?

    They are saying its not possible.

    They always have been quite rude and blunt but I just said check.

    I am in my 20s so i will be waiting some time

    You're in the high risk category and should have been vaccinated already...

    source - I have a few asthmatic friends in 20s/30's who are fully vaccinated

    If your GP is no use, get in contact with a vaccination centre directly


  • #4127
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    skinny90 wrote: »
    Hi Folks,

    I suffer from asthma, its persistent.

    I didnt know I could have gone to my GP to avail of the Vaccine.

    I spoke to a friend whos Asthma would be less severe who just received his 2nd jab.

    I contacted my GP who informed me that as of 28th of May they are not giving C19 Jabs.

    I asked for them if it was possible to refer me to another GP who is still participating in giving jabs

    Is this possible?

    They are saying its not possible.

    They always have been quite rude and blunt but I just said check.

    I am in my 20s so i will be waiting some time

    I'd recommend you change your GP practice if at all possible too. In the meantime you should probably call around different GPs and explain your situation.


  • #4128
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Irish Independent wrote:
    From tomorrow the HSE is to operate a three strikes and you are out policy for people who have repeatedly refused to attend appointments for a Covid-19 vaccine. The get tough move is aimed at speeding up the roll out of vaccines and cutting down on wastage.

    The HSE said today that from July 1 it will automatically stop offering people further appointments, once they have refused three.

    "If someone wishes to be offered further appointments they will need to contact HSE Live and ask that they be reinstated."
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hse-gets-tough-on-covid-19-vaccine-no-shows-with-new-three-strikes-and-youre-out-policy-40598879.html


  • #4129
    rm212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭rm212


    I think the three strikes system is something they should have introduced a long time ago, the idea that they'll give you repeated appointments ad infinitum was a bit ridiculous, to be honest.


  • #4130
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Apogee wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hse-gets-tough-on-covid-19-vaccine-no-shows-with-new-three-strikes-and-youre-out-policy-40598879.html

    Good.


  • #4131
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Would full vaccination of 90% of adults be enough for herd immunity?


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  • #4132
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Have we any sense when the pharmacies are likely to start vaccinating the under 50s with Jansen?

    Spoke to the union today and indications are middle of next week with an update by Friday with the updated operating procedure. Informed consent seems to be the issue they are clarifying.

    Bit of frustration around the slow movement along with the issue of reordering stock. Only a handful of stores have been given a 2nd delivery.


  • #4133
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    political analyst wrote: »
    Would full vaccination of 90% of adults be enough for herd immunity?
    70-80% is what they are after, 90% is heading for measles territory.


  • #4134
    Tony H
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭Tony H


    Sorry if it's been posted already but if you turn up to mvc at end of day without text ,would there be any chance of getting a leftover vaccine ,
    Wife is due her second from Saturday and no text yet , I'm younger and I'm getting mine on Friday .


  • #4135
    JPup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭JPup


    Tony H wrote: »
    Sorry if it's been posted already but if you turn up to mvc at end of day without text ,would there be any chance of getting a leftover vaccine ,
    Wife is due her second from Saturday and no text yet , I'm younger and I'm getting mine on Friday .

    If she shows up with you and explains the situation I'd say she has a good chance of being allowed in. Worth a try anyway.


  • #4136
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,208 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    NPHET modelling did not account for change allowing AstraZeneca and Janssen vaccines being made available to all age groups, TDs told

    https://jrnl.ie/5481608

    An important factor, no?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #4137
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,301 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    political analyst wrote: »
    Would full vaccination of 90% of adults be enough for herd immunity?
    Probably not. Forget about % of adults for herd immunity, because under 18s are not immune.

    https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2021-06-29/delta-variant-hinders-herd-immunity/60712
    With this variant [delta], herd immunity will not be achieved at 70 percent, but with values ​​very close to 85 percent of immunization

    85% of total population in Ireland is around 113% of adults, or everyone down to the age of 12.

    With some hesitancy, it's possible that we would have to offer vaccines to everyone of school age and over.

    And that's before the next variant...

    Alternatively we could just wait for the kids to get infected and develop natural immunity. That doesn't sound like a great idea to me.


  • #4138
    Tony H
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭Tony H


    JPup wrote: »
    If she shows up with you and explains the situation I'd say she has a good chance of being allowed in. Worth a try anyway.
    Mr.S wrote: »
    Worth a try but very doubtful you’ll get anything.

    Thanks , she is a very determined kind of person so she might give it a lash anyway ,
    It's irritating that they are not sticking to sorting it out by age
    but I can't talk I registered early and she didn't want the Az vaccine under any circumstances ,how things change .


  • #4139
    duffman13
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    everlast75 wrote: »
    NPHET modelling did not account for change allowing AstraZeneca and Janssen vaccines being made available to all age groups, TDs told

    https://jrnl.ie/5481608

    An important factor, no?

    I'd imagine so, to be fair NIAC only changed their recommendation on Monday so NPHET may not have had time to include that but it's a huge caveat which according to that report wasn't clear at the cabinet discussion.

    Honestly, as time goes on this modelling will be ripped apart


  • #4140
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    everlast75 wrote: »
    NPHET modelling did not account for change allowing AstraZeneca and Janssen vaccines being made available to all age groups, TDs told

    https://jrnl.ie/5481608

    An important factor, no?

    Supplies of AZ and J&J have been poor/unreliable to date. Most existing stock of AZ is being used up for 60-69 2nd shot until mid-July.
    Irish Mirror wrote:
    However, Ireland is at a "worst-case scenario" with the one-shot Janssen vaccine. Less than 80,000 doses of the vaccine have been delivered to Ireland in June.

    That was from an original estimate of 470,000 doses.
    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/hse-confirm-major-drop-vaccine-24381454


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  • #4141
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    connorbarry wrote: »
    Is that not too low

    Israel have 70%?

    They are bringing back restrictions
    It's the estimated range but the higher the better, some here have said over 80% is needed. Israel are only at about 60% with both shots as their programme stalled a good bit in younger age groups. Just masks indoors.


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