Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

is_that_so · 30-06-2021 12:26PM

seamus wrote: »

The national show centre in Swords, apparently;

https://www.thesun.ie/news/7209049/hse-dcu-helix-national-show-centre-swords-vaccination/

As usual the North-West of Dublin is being left out in the cold, Swords is even more of a pain to get to than the Helix.

They really need another one in Blanchardstown.

Actually, it's not that bad, literally just off the M1 and you get to it from the end of the M50 handy enough too. There are a load of airport and Swords buses too to get you there.

rm212 · 30-06-2021 12:29PM

hardybuck wrote: »

NIAC's role is to advise the CMO and the Minister for Health. It's not to make decisions on anything.

And the CMO's role is to advise the government, not to make decisions on anything... but look at where we are...

is_that_so · 30-06-2021 12:31PM

rm212 wrote: »

And the CMO's role is to advise the government, not to make decisions on anything... but look at where we are...

Christmas put paid to any likelihood that the government will oppose NPHET, bar on small things. There should be no issue with them advising but most people are annoyed that they made it off the back of some very risible figures.

xboxdad · 30-06-2021 12:33PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

They'll just ask on the day. If they mention not filling it out online (which I doubt they will) I'll just say that I'm aware of people having their appointments cancelled when they did it, so I didn't want to risk it.

I know they'll ask on the day, I'm waiting for my 2nd appt now.
I did answer the questions online for the 1st appt and the portal worked well.
I was just wondering if I need to do it differently for the 2nd dose due to some new(ish) portal bug.
It'd be nice to know for sure answering the questions online isn't mandatory.

hardybuck · 30-06-2021 12:37PM

rm212 wrote: »

And the CMO's role is to advise the government, not to make decisions on anything... but look at where we are...

Correct. Government make decisions. End of story.

funnydoggy · 30-06-2021 12:38PM

hardybuck wrote: »

Correct. Government make decisions. End of story.

This is head in the sand stuff. They effectively rubber stamped exactly what NPHET wanted, and you say they make the decisions?

Pablo Escobar · 30-06-2021 12:40PM

rm212 wrote: »

And the CMO's role is to advise the government, not to make decisions on anything... but look at where we are...

In the exact same position as before, with NPHET making recommendations and the Government making decisions?

Pablo Escobar · 30-06-2021 12:43PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

This is head in the sand stuff. They effectively rubber stamped exactly what NPHET wanted, and you say they make the decisions?

Yes, because they made a balls of it in December when NPHET were right....and just maybe they're right again.

Modelling isn't guesswork. It's based on evidence and while not an exact science there's a certain degree of certainty of outcomes within certain ranges.

rm212 · 30-06-2021 12:43PM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

In the exact same position as before, with NPHET making recommendations and the Government making decisions?

With NPHET making 'recommendations', throwing a hissy fit if government even thinks about going against them, and dictating to government what compromises are permitted on restrictions, rather than vice versa.

fun loving criminal · 30-06-2021 12:45PM

Leinster90 wrote: »

We’re supposedly in a “race against the variant.” It’s not too much to expect them to shift their arses into gear and get the ball rolling instead of their usual dithering and inaction.

It would take 15 minutes to write an e-letter to pharmacies saying “you can distribute the J&J vaccines to under-40s now” and leave it up to them.

Exactly, a race against the virus. I hate them being so slow at opening the age groups as well. They should be sticking needles into anyone and everyone.

zuutroy · 30-06-2021 12:46PM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

Yes, because they made a balls of it in December when NPHET were right....and just maybe they're right again.

Modelling isn't guesswork. It's based on evidence and while not an exact science there's a certain degree of certainty of outcomes within certain ranges.

Especially when the range spans from 80000 to 700,000 cases.

rm212 · 30-06-2021 12:46PM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

Yes, because they made a balls of it in December when NPHET were right....and just maybe they're right again.

Modelling isn't guesswork. It's based on evidence and while not an exact science there's a certain degree of certainty of outcomes within certain ranges.

And I agreed with most of NPHET's caution when restrictions were dropped too loosely in December, but this modelling now is just borderline insanity. They actually, seriously presented a scenario where our total cases to date, since March 2020, through the number of waves we've had WITHOUT any vaccinates, are going to almost triple by September, despite almost all older and vulnerable people now being vaccinated?

xboxdad · 30-06-2021 12:58PM

rm212 wrote: »

And I agreed with most of NPHET's caution when restrictions were dropped too loosely in December, but this modelling now is just borderline insanity. They actually, seriously presented a scenario where our total cases to date, since March 2020, through the number of waves we've had WITHOUT any vaccinates, are going to almost triple by September, despite almost all older and vulnerable people now being vaccinated?

40-60% more transmissible variant can outweigh the benefits coming from our current state of vaccination. I assume this is why the modelling algorithm returned those results.

funnydoggy · 30-06-2021 01:03PM

O' Sullivan's Pharmacies Cork:

lucernarian · 30-06-2021 01:06PM

xboxdad wrote: »

40-60% more transmissible variant can outweigh the benefits coming from our current state of vaccination. I assume this is why the modelling algorithm returned those results.

Does this modelling assume vaccination doesn't protect against the delta variant or what?

GLaDOS · 30-06-2021 01:07PM

Live right by DCU, Helix closing just in time to miss me

Croke Park be easier than Swords

is_that_so · 30-06-2021 01:12PM

GLaDOS wrote: »

Live right by DCU, Helix closing just in time to miss me

Croke Park be easier than Swords

If you or someone you know drives it's right by the airport.

GLaDOS · 30-06-2021 01:15PM

I do drive, so I'll manage either way, but would have preferred an easy stroll to DCU :pac:

is_that_so · 30-06-2021 01:16PM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

Yes, because they made a balls of it in December when NPHET were right....and just maybe they're right again.

Modelling isn't guesswork. It's based on evidence and while not an exact science there's a certain degree of certainty of outcomes within certain ranges.

Epidemiological modelling just does disease. It doesn't include human behaviour nor any other factors so that puts it in the wild guess territory. What evidence do you imagine these enormous numbers are based on?

xboxdad · 30-06-2021 01:33PM

lucernarian wrote: »

Does this modelling assume vaccination doesn't protect against the delta variant or what?

No, it doesn't mean that.

It'd mean that compared to the original virus vs a fully unvaccinated population at Christmas, a 40-60% more transmissible virus can create a similar or even larger number of infections on the currently still very substantial unvaccinated population, in the same amount of time.

That's how I understand it personally.

PTH2009 · 30-06-2021 01:57PM

I'm guessing it's going to take weeks for the all age approval of the vaccines

Tbh the decision should be imminent as its aiding the opening up of the country in a way

WoollyRedHat · 30-06-2021 02:00PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'm guessing it's going to take weeks for the all age approval of the vaccines

Tbh the decision should be imminent as its aiding the opening up of the country in a way

Yeah the HSE Rep. for the pharmacies is away in the Canaries and he doesn't have access to emails so they have to wait until he comes back.

funnydoggy · 30-06-2021 02:01PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Yeah the HSE Rep. for the pharmacies is away in the Canaries and doesn't have access to emails so they have to wait until be he comes back.

What's worse is that I can't tell if you're joking or not lol :pac:

Apogee · 30-06-2021 02:10PM

Irish Examiner wrote:

Some 318,000 doses of Pfizer vaccines will arrive here today in the biggest delivery so far.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40325840.html

Sunny Dayz · 30-06-2021 02:31PM

Quick q - what vaccines are currently suitable for under 18 - ie a 16/17 year old?

josip · 30-06-2021 02:31PM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

In the exact same position as before, with NPHET making recommendations and the Government making decisions?

Why are NPHET's recommendations always 'leaked' to the press the day before the cabinet meets to discuss them?
They seem to do a bit more than boiler plate 'advising'.

Strazdas · 30-06-2021 02:32PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'm guessing it's going to take weeks for the all age approval of the vaccines

Tbh the decision should be imminent as its aiding the opening up of the country in a way

I believe a decision is imminent in fact. I was reading last night that the HSE are working on the new NIAC advice and expect to make an announcement 'very soon'.

VG31 · 30-06-2021 02:34PM

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

Quick q - what vaccines are currently suitable for under 18 - ie a 16/17 year old?

I think only Pfizer is approved here for 16-18s.

is_that_so · 30-06-2021 02:36PM

josip wrote: »

Why are NPHET's recommendations always 'leaked' to the press the day before the cabinet meets to discuss them?
They seem to do a bit more than boiler plate 'advising'.

It depends what's in them but they are now published anyway.

Amirani · 30-06-2021 02:48PM

josip wrote: »

Why are NPHET's recommendations always 'leaked' to the press the day before the cabinet meets to discuss them?
They seem to do a bit more than boiler plate 'advising'.

It's clearly Government ministers (or advisors) that leak this stuff. They leak everything, regardless of whether it's Covid related or not.

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