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    #7532
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    was the crisp packet in the pocket of a junkie lying in a doorway of an empty shop on the main street of the city ?


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    #7533
    thomil
    Registered Users Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭thomil


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    why should I, who are you to dictate forum policy.
    I am entitled to speak about closed up businesses and the need for development in cork in a thread about cork developments.

    Just as everyone else on this thread is equally entitled to call you out for repeatedly derailing this thread and being completely oblivious to it, which is what I'm doing here.

    This thread is designed for one VERY specific purpose, namely construction projects in Cork city. if you want to jabber on and on and on about what a post-apocalyptic wasteland the city apparently is, though this is news to me, then for the sake of other posters take it to its own thread. You are having a very direct and negative effect on the conversations in here, there have been several posters who have openly remarked on this!

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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    #7534
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    thomil wrote: »
    Just as everyone else on this thread is equally entitled to call you out for repeatedly derailing this thread and being completely oblivious to it, which is what I'm doing here.

    This thread is designed for one VERY specific purpose, namely construction projects in Cork city. if you want to jabber on and on and on about what a post-apocalyptic wasteland the city apparently is, though this is news to me, then for the sake of other posters take it to its own thread. You are having a very direct and negative effect on the conversations in here, there have been several posters who have openly remarked on this!


    Perhaps if you put aside your parochial bias and actually read the forum you would see my post was a reply to a question i was asked initially. I am entitled to reply to questions, whether you like it or not.





    I have openly stated on this forum I welcome the prism, the new buildings, the knocking of the sextant, and recently welcomed the possible compulsory purchase order for the run down buildings in north main street.
    All good news for the city, but it still begs the question, its fine putting in all these new apartments, but the idea of living in a city that the council have done a woeful job with is a valid issue.
    Lovely to have a nice box apartment in the city, til you need to pop out late for a pint of milk and have to step over junkies, risk being mugged, good luck finding a garda.

    People from cork seem to get very defensive when you mention the obvious problems with the city, which will have an affect on people moving in.
    Maybe if more people spoke up maybe the lazy useless council for starters might actually do a better job.


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    #7535
    Gaspode
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    I agree that this has drifted off-topic, lets get back to developments within the city. Like every city ever, Cork has a wide mix of people living in it, some great, others not so much. That aspect is not the topic here though, it's a side-issue


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    #7536
    airy fairy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Was in Douglas yesterday evening. It's been a while since I was there. I grew up in the area.
    Why has everything been built on a postage stamp size plot?
    The new Aldi is open, former cinema site. It's large and overpowering.
    Then the queue out on the road for McDonald's, another mess.
    Outdoor dining in the East Village bar consisted of a few tables upstairs on the balcony and a few benches below in the dark delivery area of it's shadow. Ramen next door only takeaways. I know this is more of a private area, not sure who owns what but surprised that the Cork city council didn't make provision for outdoor dining in Douglas. In that area alone, parking areas could have been switched for dining. No big umbrellas and tables like the city. No street parklets like Ballincollig.
    There's nowhere for a teen to hang out apart from the, nice, but tiny park in comparison to what's going on around the place.
    I've read somewhere there are plans to build another Lidl or similar in the area?
    The charm and soul of Douglas is gone.


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    #7537
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    airy fairy wrote: »
    Was in Douglas yesterday evening. It's been a while since I was there. I grew up in the area.
    Why has everything been built on a postage stamp size plot?
    The new Aldi is open, former cinema site. It's large and overpowering.
    Then the queue out on the road for McDonald's, another mess.
    Outdoor dining in the East Village bar consisted of a few tables upstairs on the balcony and a few benches below in the dark delivery area of it's shadow. Ramen next door only takeaways. I know this is more of a private area, not sure who owns what but surprised that the Cork city council didn't make provision for outdoor dining in Douglas. In that area alone, parking areas could have been switched for dining. No big umbrellas and tables like the city. No street parklets like Ballincollig.
    There's nowhere for a teen to hang out apart from the, nice, but tiny park in comparison to what's going on around the place.
    I've read somewhere there are plans to build another Lidl or similar in the area?
    The charm and soul of Douglas is gone.

    Agree with the park bit, have a few relatives in Douglas and they were hoping that the site where Aldi is now would be turned into a sort of park, or some sort of town square as you would see in Europe. They are disappointed anyway. It was private land though I guess.


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    #7538
    snotboogie
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    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    Agree with the park bit, have a few relatives in Douglas and they were hoping that the site where Aldi is now would be turned into a sort of park, or some sort of town square as you would see in Europe. They are disappointed anyway. It was private land though I guess.

    Ya, you will see complaints about a park or a square on the Aldi and Lidl plots but it was never going to happen. City Council couldnt spend tens of millions to purchase a relatively small bit of land. I'm not sure it would have been a great spot for a town square anyway, all of the businesses along that road are completely car focused; KFC and McDonald's are drive through, to get into Douglas Court as a pedestrian you need to walk through a huge car park.


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    #7539
    the beer revolu
    Registered Users Posts: 16,823 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Ya, you will see complaints about a park or a square on the Aldi and Lidl plots but it was never going to happen. City Council couldnt spend tens of millions to purchase a relatively small bit of land. I'm not sure it would have been a great spot for a town square anyway, all of the businesses along that road are completely car focused; KFC and McDonald's are drive through, to get into Douglas Court as a pedestrian you need to walk through a huge car park.

    Yeah, I was going to say that unless the park had a massive car park, no one would use it.

    I don't know which came first but it appears to me that people from around the Douglas area (obviously a generalisation) just want to drive everywhere and Douglas reflects this.


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    #7540
    unplayable
    Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭unplayable


    airy fairy wrote: »
    Was in Douglas yesterday evening. It's been a while since I was there. I grew up in the area.
    Why has everything been built on a postage stamp size plot?
    The new Aldi is open, former cinema site. It's large and overpowering.
    Then the queue out on the road for McDonald's, another mess.
    Outdoor dining in the East Village bar consisted of a few tables upstairs on the balcony and a few benches below in the dark delivery area of it's shadow. Ramen next door only takeaways. I know this is more of a private area, not sure who owns what but surprised that the Cork city council didn't make provision for outdoor dining in Douglas. In that area alone, parking areas could have been switched for dining. No big umbrellas and tables like the city. No street parklets like Ballincollig.
    There's nowhere for a teen to hang out apart from the, nice, but tiny park in comparison to what's going on around the place.
    I've read somewhere there are plans to build another Lidl or similar in the area?
    The charm and soul of Douglas is gone.

    Lived up Maryborough hill with the family for years. Couldn’t agree more what a mess they have made of it. It is an absolute dive of a place at the moment and only getting worse it seems.


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    #7541
    the beer revolu
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    unplayable wrote: »
    Lived up Maryborough hill with the family for years. Couldn’t agree more what a mess they have made of it. It is an absolute dive of a place at the moment and only getting worse it seems.

    Thing is, when was Douglas actually a great place?
    When did it have a nice village feel? I don't remember this Douglas.

    As far as I can remember, it's been primarily a shopping centre, traffic and a few takeaways.


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    #7542
    ofcork
    Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Is the lidl supposed to be built now on the bit of ground between aldi and the east village?


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    #7543
    airy fairy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    the beer revolu wrote: »
    Yeah, I was going to say that unless the park had a massive car park, no one would use it.

    I don't know which came first but it appears to me that people from around the Douglas area (obviously a generalisation) just want to drive everywhere and Douglas reflects this.

    No, Douglas was an actual village. The merries, a petrol station, a library, guards, post office, bank, chemist, just between circle k across the road and up towards Barry's, in that area alone. People walked around Douglas. Walked up the hill to Grange before the bus went up there, but sure that's a dive now too.
    You'd get the number 6 or 7 bus from the front or back village.
    And the Johnny Giles ( incorrect spelling I think) at one end of the open roofed little shopping centre, down towards Quinnsworth food.
    The park was for kids, not a hang out area. I lived in beyond Grange, before it was built up, no bus, and walked every Saturday to the library for school projects. Everyone walked to school.
    There were times during fine days we'd walk from Sacred Heart in Turners cross back into Douglas and up towards Grange and beyond.
    Everyone in Douglas knew each other. The demise if the village began when Fox Donvans sold the petrol station and transformation of the centre started soon after when putting a roof on the centre....


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    #7544
    Nigel Fairservice
    Registered Users, Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    airy fairy wrote: »
    The demise if the village began when Fox Donvans sold the petrol station and transformation of the centre started soon after when putting a roof on the centre....

    I remember getting rained on sometimes walking through the centre when it had no roof. Hard to imagine that ever happened with the way the place is now.


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    #7545
    Mav11
    Registered Users Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Nigel Fairservice wrote: »
    I remember getting rained on sometimes walking through the centre when it had no roof. Hard to imagine that ever happened with the way the place is now.

    I remember it being built in the early 70's. I used to go to school in Colaiste Mhuire (now Douglas Com). We used to go cross the Tramore river on a suspended pipe, running from the school and through the site for Friday chips in KC's. I wonder what Health and Safety would say to that in todays world? Douglas was a great village in the 80's.

    BTW Stillorgan SC in Dublin was built a few years before Douglas SC and it is still open roofed. Must have been the design at the time and great for covid ventilation now.


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    #7546
    the beer revolu
    Registered Users Posts: 16,823 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    airy fairy wrote: »
    No, Douglas was an actual village. The merries, a petrol station, a library, guards, post office, bank, chemist, just between circle k across the road and up towards Barry's, in that area alone. People walked around Douglas. Walked up the hill to Grange before the bus went up there, but sure that's a dive now too.
    You'd get the number 6 or 7 bus from the front or back village.
    And the Johnny Giles ( incorrect spelling I think) at one end of the open roofed little shopping centre, down towards Quinnsworth food.
    The park was for kids, not a hang out area. I lived in beyond Grange, before it was built up, no bus, and walked every Saturday to the library for school projects. Everyone walked to school.
    There were times during fine days we'd walk from Sacred Heart in Turners cross back into Douglas and up towards Grange and beyond.
    Everyone in Douglas knew each other. The demise if the village began when Fox Donvans sold the petrol station and transformation of the centre started soon after when putting a roof on the centre....

    I remember all that. You are going back to the early 80 and beyond? I knew Douglas then, and while a whole lot better than now, I never remember it having a proper village feel.
    It was always very car oriented, imo.

    BTW, I never remember a Post Office in the front village.


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    #7547
    Mav11
    Registered Users Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭Mav11


    the beer revolu wrote: »

    BTW, I never remember a Post Office in the front village.

    I think and I could be wrong, that it was where the Bamboo House Chinese is now. Close to the old Garda station.


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    #7548
    the beer revolu
    Registered Users Posts: 16,823 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Mav11 wrote: »
    I think and I could be wrong, that it was where the Bamboo House Chinese is now. Close to the old Garda station.

    I don't recall it.
    Only post office I remember was in the back village - same side a the South County.

    I can't imagine Douglas having two.


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    #7549
    Mav11
    Registered Users Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭Mav11


    the beer revolu wrote: »
    I don't recall it.
    Only post office I remember was in the back village - same side a the South County.

    I can't imagine Douglas having two.

    They shut the post office in the front village and moved it to the back village in the early 80s, if memory serves me right.


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    #7550
    opus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭opus


    Was away for the last week & this has gone from a site to a new building in that period. First time I've seen that modular construction take shape, they don't hang about.

    557018.jpg


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    #7551
    Shedite27
    Registered Users Posts: 9,379 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    the beer revolu wrote: »
    Thing is, when was Douglas actually a great place?
    When did it have a nice village feel? I don't remember this Douglas.

    As far as I can remember, it's been primarily a shopping centre, traffic and a few takeaways.

    My granparents and my dad grw up in Douglas, it's defintely grown up a lot. Quinnsworth was there before my time but it still felt like a village, had an east side and a west side. There wasn't much there at the time, and no real reason for people to drive there. Wilton probably the driving destination at the time.

    It was probably sometime in the early 90's I'd guess, that Douglas Court, Cinema and McDonalds opened in quick succession (and added that road from Circle K to Douglas Court and Fingerpost). From that point on it had things that people wanted to drive to. Probably the first cinema in Cork that wasn't city-centre?

    Daytime, it's mainly a drive-to place, evening, there's still a lot will walk to Eco's, 12 tables, Barrys, Sullivans etc.


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    #7552
    Apogee
    Registered Users Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Examiner wrote:
    The decommissioned Marina power station in Cork city is being considered as a potential site for housing development. The strategic riverside site in the heart of the city’s south docks is one of several key landbanks in the city which are being examined by the Land Development Agency (LDA), the State body set up to coordinate the delivery of housing on state land.

    The LDA has already secured planning permission for 266 homes on the State-owned former St Kevin’s site on the city’s Lee Road.

    It has engaged with the Irish Prison Service and the Department of Justice in relation to the former Cork prison site on Rathmore Road, which closed in 2016.
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40324241.html?type=amp


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    #7553
    Mefistofelino
    Registered Users Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Apogee wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40324241.html?type=amp

    A development there is unlikely to yield any housing for 4-5 years, even if they decide imminently . Demolition and remediation could take up to 2 years alone, given the risks of potential hydrocarbon contamination of the soil and the widespread use of asbestos insulation.

    And that's all without getting into potential planning delays with people campaigning for the retention of the brickwork structures.


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    #7554
    Treehelpplease
    Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭Treehelpplease


    what? https://twitter.com/OireachtasNews/status/1410152976459743233?s=20


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    #7555
    Tij da feen
    Registered Users Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Tij da feen


    Treehelpplease wrote: »
    what? https://twitter.com/OireachtasNews/status/1410152976459743233?s=20

    The link is only a live feed. Why does he want the boundary extension to be reviewed?


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    #7556
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Tij da feen wrote: »
    The link is only a live feed. Why does he want the boundary extension to be reviewed?

    https://youtu.be/cA2MiVuGDaM


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    #7557
    cantalach
    Registered Users Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭cantalach


    Mefistofelino wrote: »
    A development there is unlikely to yield any housing for 4-5 years, even if they decide imminently . Demolition and remediation could take up to 2 years alone, given the risks of potential hydrocarbon contamination of the soil and the widespread use of asbestos insulation.


    Proximity of that site to the Goulding fertiliser storage depot is also a regulatory barrier to new residential development. I think Goulding plans to relocate to the old Irish Fertiliser factory on Great Island, but that mightn't happen for a while yet.


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    #7558
    Usir
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭Usir


    airy fairy wrote: »
    Was in Douglas yesterday evening. It's been a while since I was there. I grew up in the area.
    Why has everything been built on a postage stamp size plot?
    The new Aldi is open, former cinema site. It's large and overpowering.
    Then the queue out on the road for McDonald's, another mess.
    Outdoor dining in the East Village bar consisted of a few tables upstairs on the balcony and a few benches below in the dark delivery area of it's shadow. Ramen next door only takeaways. I know this is more of a private area, not sure who owns what but surprised that the Cork city council didn't make provision for outdoor dining in Douglas. In that area alone, parking areas could have been switched for dining. No big umbrellas and tables like the city. No street parklets like Ballincollig.
    There's nowhere for a teen to hang out apart from the, nice, but tiny park in comparison to what's going on around the place.
    I've read somewhere there are plans to build another Lidl or similar in the area?
    The charm and soul of Douglas is gone.

    Why do people still line up to buy houses there? It baffles me


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    #7559
    mike_cork
    Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Usir wrote: »
    Why do people still line up to buy houses there? It baffles me

    Plus the traffic nightmare on top-Douglas would not be a place I'd want to rent/buy in


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    #7560
    Level 42
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭Level 42


    Usir wrote: »
    Why do people still line up to buy houses there? It baffles me

    Because it's different gravy -top.people and near enough to the city


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    #7561
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,893 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Usir wrote: »
    Why do people still line up to buy houses there? It baffles me

    Because people make sensible decisions in a boom...roll up roll up, dont miss out on the over inflated property, this madness must end soon, get on the ladder etc :D


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