Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

bennyl10 · 29-06-2021 09:45AM

seamus wrote: »

If you're only letting vaccinated people inside, then the staff aren't being put at any extra risk. The staff are all milling around indoors together as it is.

Vaccinated people can still spread the virus?

Staff are being put in a unacceptable level of risk with this plan

Sobit1964 · 29-06-2021 09:45AM

Hurrache wrote: »

No, there is no question as to their purpose.

We've ****ty governments and state bodies in the past, did we go all hysterical and abolish the notion of a government and live in chaos since?

Nope, it's dumb idea to try justify the abandonment.

Thats a fools logic - and exactly why we are in this mess.

OwenM · 29-06-2021 09:46AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Plan to only allow vaccinated dine indoors looks to be illegal under the equality act

The whole 'vaccinated only' thing is a kite flying exercise IMO. Micheal will come out on the podium tonight and announce two more weeks before pubs open and we will all breathe a sigh of relief but if we weren't all so worked up about the kite, we'd be mad about the two more weeks.

eviltimeban · 29-06-2021 09:46AM

I'm angry this morning. I've been supportive all along, as I felt that the indoor dining opening up was a real sign that this is over.

But I'm angry today.

Millions have been vaccinated. The elderly are protected. Vulnerable are protected. The hospital numbers are very low. Case numbers are down. Zero deaths in weeks?

Why oh why oh why. Why aren't we opening. WHY.

But what can be done? Email the TDs, an email they won't read? March on the streets, to be lumped in with the loony anti-vax brigade?

That's the frustration of it. Knowing nothing can be done.

I feel sorry for those business folk who were making plans to open next week, full of optimism for the summer ahead, after a long, long winter and spring. Denied.

It sucks major you know what.

francogarbanzo · 29-06-2021 09:46AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

There will be undoubtedly demonstrations, but think about what you are protesting... That you can't drink inside a pub... I mean... Is it that big a deal?

Yes.

VinLieger · 29-06-2021 09:47AM

OwenM wrote: »

The whole 'vaccinated only' thing is a kite flying exercise IMO. Micheal will come out on the podium tonight and announce two more weeks before pubs open and we will all breathe a sigh of relief but if we weren't all so worked up about the kite, we'd be mad about the two more weeks.

And in a weeks time NPHET will have worse predictions because cases and hospitals numbers will be up by 2%

Ballynally · 29-06-2021 09:47AM

Maybe i can take over a pub. Vaccinated staff serving vaccinated people.
It gives us 50+ people a career opportunity.
Nice background instrumental music, little peat fire at the back. People quietly chatting over their pints. Comely older maidens.
Actually sounds pretty good to me.
Oh, and armed guards at the door��.

Billgirlylegs · 29-06-2021 09:47AM

Stheno wrote: »

If the covid cert was out it might work

Does legislation in other countries mandate carrying medical records on your person? Can people be prosecuted for using /forging/copying false information?
Can these certs be used illegally?

Simple quick solutions generally don't end well.
Especially when proposed by NPHET.

Hurrache · 29-06-2021 09:47AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Thats a fools logic - and exactly why we are in this mess.

The failure in logic is not with me.

Sobit1964 · 29-06-2021 09:48AM

seamus wrote: »

Considering the Republic has in fact done incredibly well in the local geographical region in terms of the impact of this virus, it seems at best misinformed to say that NPHET are "bad" at their job.

They've certainly made a few missteps; even dropped a couple of clangers. But we've managed to get through this with a few scorch marks while our neighbour's house was a towering inferno. Credit where credit is due.

It seems 'misinformed' to only consider two numbers when deciding how well or not Ireland has done in dealing with the pandemic.

NIMAN · 29-06-2021 09:48AM

This time last year, we would have been shocked to think there would still be major restrictions a year later.

At this rate, I am starting to think come July 2022, we will still be having NPHET press conferences, lockdowns, sectors closed.

Most vulnerable are vaccinated. If anyone is worried, stay indoors and restrict your movements, but let the rest of us get on with our lives ffs.

storker · 29-06-2021 09:49AM

seamus wrote: »

Credit where credit is due.

In this thread?

Gael23 · 29-06-2021 09:49AM

eviltimeban wrote: »

I'm angry this morning. I've been supportive all along, as I felt that the indoor dining opening up was a real sign that this is over.

But I'm angry today.

Millions have been vaccinated. The elderly are protected. Vulnerable are protected. The hospital numbers are very low. Case numbers are down. Zero deaths in weeks?
t.

Deaths not being reported due to cyber attack but I agree with your sentiment

Hurrache · 29-06-2021 09:49AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I agree there's no question as to their purpose.

There is, however, a question as to their competence.

Exactly. Like seamus said, it's been handled pretty well for the most part, but the ball certainly seems to have been dropped now. But bizarrely people think the whole organisation should be disbanded. It's stupidity.

Leftwaffe · 29-06-2021 09:49AM

Don't worry lads, you can have an indoor meal on July 19th if you want, just not in Ireland. Dublin airport won't know what hit it.

SnuggyBear · 29-06-2021 09:49AM

Mr.CoolGuy wrote: »

I get the anger around the vaccine bonuses, but all of the arguments basically boil down to "I'd rather the restaurants continue to struggle than someone else get to do something I can't do". People would genuinely rather be turned away from a busy beer garden because there's no more seats, than allow some of the punters sit inside.

Can't see the government going for it either way. Begrudgery will ensure they get hammered for it

No they would rather the restaurant opened for everyone like they did last year with no vaccines

ThunbergsAreGo · 29-06-2021 09:49AM

eviltimeban wrote: »

I'm angry this morning. I've been supportive all along, as I felt that the indoor dining opening up was a real sign that this is over.

But I'm angry today.

Millions have been vaccinated. The elderly are protected. Vulnerable are protected. The hospital numbers are very low. Case numbers are down. Zero deaths in weeks?

Why oh why oh why. Why aren't we opening. WHY.

But what can be done? Email the TDs, an email they won't read? March on the streets, to be lumped in with the loony anti-vax brigade?

That's the frustration of it. Knowing nothing can be done.

I feel sorry for those business folk who were making plans to open next week, full of optimism for the summer ahead, after a long, long winter and spring. Denied.

It sucks major you know what.

I dont think that will happen this time.

Its the only thing left

Economics101 · 29-06-2021 09:50AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Plan to only allow vaccinated dine indoors looks to be illegal under the equality act

Nonsense. Insurers are allowed to price according to risk, i.e. to "discriminate". What is illegal is discrimination based on irrelevant characteristics, i.e. denying someone a job because of skin colour.

Jinglejangle69 · 29-06-2021 09:50AM

I think we can put to be the argument we are the most restricted country in Europe and the longest.

NIMAN · 29-06-2021 09:51AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I think we can put to be the argument we are the most restricted country in Europe and the longest.

We love being told what to do. Or what we can't do.

aziz · 29-06-2021 09:52AM

The new mantra

“We’re all in this together,
Except you, you,you and maybe you “

jakiah · 29-06-2021 09:53AM

Havent NPHET effectiviely undermined the vaccine rollout with these models? They are effectively saying vaccines dont work

eviltimeban · 29-06-2021 09:53AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Deaths not being reported due to cyber attack but I agree with your sentiment

I know, but if there were numerous deaths we'd hear about them somehow right?

Or, deaths would be used to scare people further into compliance. The whole thing is suspicious. I think the death number is either really low, or zero.

That means case numbers don't mean anything, as they aren't leading to hospitalisations, or deaths.

bloopy · 29-06-2021 09:53AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Surprise, surprise!

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1409751053042597891

Yet we've been bombarded with the 'stark' warnings since last night.
This evidently is just a maximum fear generating exercise now.
And there is no one willing to call it out.

funnydoggy · 29-06-2021 09:53AM

jakiah wrote: »

Havent NPHET effectiviely undermined the vaccine rollout with these models? They are effectively saying vaccines dont work

It's what it seems like to be honest. Seething. There's gonna be holy war.

M_Murphy57 · 29-06-2021 09:54AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

How is the cinema open the last month??

All those cinema goers died.

Gael23 · 29-06-2021 09:55AM

Economics101 wrote: »

Nonsense. Insurers are allowed to price according to risk, i.e. to "discriminate". What is illegal is discrimination based on irrelevant characteristics, i.e. denying someone a job because of skin colour.

It’s not nonsense, it’s the law. It is illegal to deny a person entry to a premises because of a personal decision which they have a right to make

Leftwaffe · 29-06-2021 09:55AM

The introduction of a vaccine passport for indoor hospitality would be a great idea if it was 3 months ago, coupled with other optional passes such as a negative antigen test, negative PCR test or proof of recovery.

Can't wait to see the half arsed system they try to introduce on July 19th (or later).

corcaigh07 · 29-06-2021 09:55AM

Large scale protests are the only way out of this.

eviltimeban · 29-06-2021 09:56AM

corcaigh07 wrote: »

Large scale protests are the only way out of this.

Do they achieve anything though?

Irish Water was a unusual situation as the way they went about things was flawed from the start.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings