Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

suicide_circus · 27-06-2021 10:02AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Yeah, I'm in the UK the pubs and restaurants are packed and cases are rising fast. See you on the otherside.

Yeah there is a sense of dreadful inevitability around.

niallo27 · 27-06-2021 10:08AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Just with regard to hospitals being empty? I presume you refer to covid cases and yes agreed but take a walk downstairs to A&E back up to normal wards and you'll find a very different picture I'm afraid. The cyber attack has crippled hospitals with even the most basic diagnostic treatments affected, bloods, xrays etc.

Not in limerick its not, still quiet there. Why don't they come out and say that though if that's the case. Why bull**** us with delta variant crap. How do you think a few weeks will change your outlook.

niallo27 · 27-06-2021 10:10AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yeah there is a sense of dreadful inevitability around.

I was up the North for the week, no dreadful inevitability up there, pubs full, restaurants full. People getting on with their lives.

giveitholly · 27-06-2021 10:11AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Just with regard to hospitals being empty? I presume you refer to covid cases and yes agreed but take a walk downstairs to A&E back up to normal wards and you'll find a very different picture I'm afraid. The cyber attack has crippled hospitals with even the most basic diagnostic treatments affected, bloods, xrays etc.

And how is it the fault of the general population that the cyber attack has the hospitals crippled. So you want the country locked down forever because we have such an inept health system?

ninebeanrows · 27-06-2021 10:12AM

MM on radio 1 at noon so we should get better idea if thinking

I guessing indoor hospitality will open on 5 July but with added restrictions or curfews

Dempo1 · 27-06-2021 10:18AM

giveitholly wrote: »

And how is it the fault of the general population that the cyber attack has the hospitals crippled. So you want the country locked down forever because we have such an inept health system?

Not sure how you've determined I apportioned blame to anyone, I merely stated the fact in response to a claim hospitals are empty when they are clearly not, the cyber attack is and continues to hamper day to day medical care that's just a fact.

Elessar · 27-06-2021 10:20AM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

MM on radio 1 at noon so we should get better idea if thinking

I guessing indoor hospitality will open on 5 July but with added restrictions or curfews

According to the Irish Times it’s a two week delay for indoor until July 19th to coincide with international travel reopening.

A complete farce. We’re the outlier in Europe once again and nobody will bat an eyelid. Sure what about the younger people? Might aswell extend it to September at this stage to ensure they get their vaccine. And sure what about a meaningful Christmas?

Stormyteacup · 27-06-2021 10:21AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

It's not actually, take a look back at this thread, and it's desended into arguments about pubs, indoor dining and some extraordinary statements, insults and conspiracy theories, I've made an observation based on two strikely different headlines, of course I maybe wrong but clearly it's got a reaction, pretty much on the nail as to what I expected.

I’m pretty sure the point about six million pints was to illustrate the haphazard way the decisions around easing of restrictions are taken - the waste of time and resources, prolonged anxiety and uncertainty for anyone affected (I don’t mean affected by not being able to eat indoors).

It’s almost understandable that a decision to keep or increase restrictions may need to be taken at short notice, but easing of restrictions is based on weeks of trends. If they don’t like the trends they are seeing then they should be clearly explained. There’s just no need for eleventh hour drama with current data.

Is it not enough vaccines administered? Ok what’s the target then? People aren’t stupid, if ‘enough’ vaccinated is dependent on delivery schedule, which is then interrupted - then of course goalposts will move - that’s no reason to not set a target. Or is it concern re Delta variant proportionality? It’s set to become dominant variant regardless so in a few weeks it will be at 80/90% - do we row backwards then?

Information is available on Delta hospitalisation/death rate from UK. Frustration here is understandable- another two/three weeks for what? The vaccines work, those most at risk already vaccinated and anyone worried will not be forced to either eat indoors themselves or mix with anyone eating indoors or be in a workplace any more dangerous than a few months ago, for the next two weeks.

The consideration being given to a delay needs serious questions asked. If there is a real danger that will be greatly lessened in two weeks, then fine - explain it and stop treating anyone affected with complete disdain.

giveitholly · 27-06-2021 10:22AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Not sure how you've determined I apportioned blame to anyone, I merely stated the fact in response to a claim hospitals are empty when they are clearly not, the cyber attack is and continues to hamper day to day medical care that's just a fact.

No one is denying that but how will keeping the current restrictions help the day to day medical care in the hospitals?

Graham · 27-06-2021 10:25AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Yeah, I'm in the UK the pubs and restaurants are packed and cases are rising fast. See you on the otherside.

Fortunately we're not in the position of rapidly rising case numbers right now and the impact of Delta has been quite limited so far. Obviously that could change quickly as we've seen with previous spikes although this time we have the benefit of an ever increasing number of people vaccinated.

Ideally what we'll see next week is cases of the Delta variant haven't increased significantly and we can proceed as planned. IIRC suspected Delta cases can only be confirmed at a specific lab and the results published once per week (something like that anyway). I also understand it's that report that will be the base for any decisions.

If the Delta numbers have increased significantly we might see one of the other options;

delayed reopening (next phase just gets pushed back)
partially delayed reopening (some things open as planned, others get pushed back)
restricted reopening (vaccinated/tested only initially)
something else.......

ninebeanrows · 27-06-2021 10:27AM

So is the delay purely based on getting 2nd AZ into 60 to 69s

Can this cohort not just avoid risky places if they are concerned ?

Tenger · 27-06-2021 10:28AM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

MM on radio 1 at noon so we should get better idea if thinking

I guessing indoor hospitality will open on 5 July but with added restrictions or curfews

NPHET will advise a delay, as they (and ISAG) are in favour of "zero Covid"

The politicians will (should) take a more balanced view. Weighting up the economy versus public health.

This isn't about "indoor pints" It's about a nation that relies massively upon its tourism and hospitality sector having those sector strangled.

"what's another 2 weeks after 16 months" you say.
Well each week adds to the credit card bills of hospitality workers, each week reduces the future viability of small cafes and pubs.
We've already see on airline go bust. A larger one is in serious trouble.
Each week means Irish people (and their cash) fly to Europe or the UK for a weekend break while EU nationals decide to visite a nation with restaurants that are open.

Deeper Blue · 27-06-2021 10:31AM

seansouth36 wrote: »

Keep seeing people on this thread saying we are the only country in Europe without indoor hospitality, which is simply not true. I am currently in Greece, and guess what, there's no indoor hospitality allowed. Up until Friday, wearing a mask in public was also mandatory. Before Greece I was in Turkey (not in the EU, I know), and again indoor hospitality banned and everyone has to wear a mask in public. Add a curfew and police checkpoints everywhere and things were far stricter than in Ireland. People keep repeating BS talking points as it suits their narrative, but it's just not true. I am not a fan of the restrictions or NPHET, but why make things up?

Practically all of Europe have indoor hospitality, grand there may be one or two outliers but the vast majority of the EU allow it. We should too.

cloudatlas · 27-06-2021 10:34AM

niallo27 wrote: »

I was up the North for the week, no dreadful inevitability up there, pubs full, restaurants full. People getting on with their lives.

Yeah that's fine it's your choice, we have been told that this strain is more infectious than the first and we now know the effects of long covid. Many people have still only had one vaccination. My work carries out testing and they found two people who were positive who had one vaccination, one had a high viral load.

shockframe · 27-06-2021 10:34AM

Elessar wrote: »

According to the Irish Times it’s a two week delay for indoor until July 19th to coincide with international travel reopening.

A complete farce. We’re the outlier in Europe once again and nobody will bat an eyelid. Sure what about the younger people? Might aswell extend it to September at this stage to ensure they get their vaccine. And sure what about a meaningful Christmas?

Timmy Dooley was on 'The Tonight Show' talking about a meaningful summer a few weeks back. A meaningful Halloween can't be too far away now.:rolleyes:

Stormyteacup · 27-06-2021 10:39AM

Tenger wrote: »

NPHET will advise a delay, as they (and ISAG) are in favour of "zero Covid"

The politicians will (should) take a more balanced view. Weighting up the economy versus public health.

This isn't about "indoor pints" It's about a nation that relies massively upon its tourism and hospitality sector having those sector strangled.

"what's another 2 weeks after 16 months" you say.
Well each week adds to the credit card bills of hospitality workers, each week reduces the future viability of small cafes and pubs.
We've already see on airline go bust. A larger one is in serious trouble.
Each week means Irish people (and their cash) fly to Europe or the UK for a weekend break while EU nationals decide to visite a nation with restaurants that are open.

I’m starting to believe that’s a large factor in the thinking around delaying hospitality, rather than a clear and immediate danger to public health here by reopening indoors. Indoor dining closed is an added deterrent to incoming tourists.

If there had been no digital cert devised by EU then both incoming and outgoing travel would definitely be more heavily restricted here for quite a while. NPHET (and as you say ISAG) would prefer little movement in and out of the country.

niallo27 · 27-06-2021 10:40AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Yeah that's fine it's your choice, we have been told that this strain is more infectious than the first and we now know the effects of long covid. Many people have still only had one vaccination. My work carries out testing and they found two people who were positive who had one vaccination, one had a high viral load.

Were they sick, did they end up in hospital. Its been 18 months now, shouldn't long covid patients be filling hospitals by now or what exactly are the effects of long covid or let me guess your neighbours brothers wife's dogs uncle used to run marathons and now he can't go up the stairs.

cloudatlas · 27-06-2021 10:48AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Were they sick, did they end up in hospital. Its been 18 months now, shouldn't long covid patients be filling hospitals by now or what exactly are the effects of long covid or let me guess your neighbours brothers wife's dogs uncle used to run marathons and now he can't go up the stairs.

Wow. I work for a large organisation. They had to go home and self isolate to stop the spread, the report was anonymous as you would expect with any information that captures personal data and is carried out by trained scientists.

Long covid causes chronic fatigue and breathing issues that don't seem to be going away for many people and are reducing quality of life this is a problem for a g.p not for a&e although gp's cannot offer any solutions it seems once the damage is done it is done ..... bUT tHEy DIDn't gO to hOSpitAl.

Klonker · 27-06-2021 10:49AM

Tenger wrote: »

NPHET will advise a delay, as they (and ISAG) are in favour of "zero Covid"

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Its hard to align NPHETs over cautious advice now to when covid first arrived here in February 2020.

From Irish Times:

Nursing Homes Ireland (NHI) responded to the growing crisis on March 4th by imposing nationwide visiting restrictions on private facilities.

On March 10th, chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan said the blanket restrictions should be lifted because they were premature and impacted on residents’ social interactions

Can't shake the feeling everything since is to cover up for this when all this is finally reviewed in detail.

seansouth36 · 27-06-2021 10:58AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

What a joke of a country we are.

Anyone defending our response to Covid should be ashamed of themselves.

You are a posting a map that is incorrect. I am in Greece. Indoor dining is not allowed. Why do you post false information? Oh, wait, I already know the answer.

niallo27 · 27-06-2021 11:01AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Wow. I work for a large organisation. They had to go home and self isolate to stop the spread, the report was anonymous as you would expect with any information that captures personal data and is carried out by trained scientists.

Long covid causes chronic fatigue and breathing issues that don't seem to be going away for many people and are reducing quality of life this is a problem for a g.p not for a&e although gp's cannot offer any solutions it seems once the damage is done it is done ..... bUT tHEy DIDn't gO to hOSpitAl.

So two people you know got covid, what exactly is the point you are trying to make.

Richard Hillman · 27-06-2021 11:05AM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

MM on radio 1 at noon so we should get better idea if thinking

I guessing indoor hospitality will open on 5 July but with added restrictions or curfews

€9 Substantial meals :pac:

the kelt · 27-06-2021 11:06AM

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1408754621405872129?s=21

Klonker · 27-06-2021 11:11AM

seansouth36 wrote: »

You are a posting a map that is incorrect. I am in Greece. Indoor dining is not allowed. Why do you post false information? Oh, wait, I already know the answer.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/greece-further-relaxes-covid-19-restrictions/2268911#

How many weeks are Greece planning to delay their 1st July reopening because of Delta?

bloopy · 27-06-2021 11:13AM

the kelt wrote: »

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1408754621405872129?s=21

That is a huge reduction

zackory · 27-06-2021 11:13AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Yeah that's fine it's your choice, we have been told that this strain is more infectious than the first and we now know the effects of long covid. Many people have still only had one vaccination. My work carries out testing and they found two people who were positive who had one vaccination, one had a high viral load.

What's long covid?

Elessar · 27-06-2021 11:16AM

There was an enormous protest in London yesterday against government restrictions, tens of thousands. More to come this weekend.

Here in Ireland? Ah sure it'll be grand like. Usual irish sh*te.

ACitizenErased · 27-06-2021 11:17AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

What a joke of a country we are.

Anyone defending our response to Covid should be ashamed of themselves.

I’m all for reopening but we have to be honest about sources - this map is completely fake and incorrect.

zackory · 27-06-2021 11:18AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’m all for reopening but we have to be honest about sources - this map is completely fake and incorrect.

Have you a better one?

Graham · 27-06-2021 11:19AM

zackory wrote: »

Have you a better one?

You mean an accurate one?

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