Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

MOR316 · 27-06-2021 01:23AM

Tony Holohan is the CMO of more things than Covid...

Some of you and more importantly, himself, needs to remember that

Deeper Blue · 27-06-2021 01:27AM

It's utterly depressing seeing the rest of Europe enjoying indoor hospitality and essentially being back to normal in many respects, while we're on about delaying our easing with fewer people in hospital than you can fit on a bus.

PTH2009 · 27-06-2021 01:42AM

Deeper Blue wrote: »

It's utterly depressing seeing the rest of Europe enjoying indoor hospitality and essentially being back to normal in many respects, while we're on about delaying our easing with fewer people in hospital than you can fit on a bus.

We're not on about delaying our easing we are delaying it.

It's a ****ing shambles

Penfailed · 27-06-2021 02:06AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

I was going to go to the cinema because it's super cheap right now but they are providing food and drink and don't require masks to be worn in the cinema, they say the distancing is enough, hmmm in an enclosed space?

Don't go if you don't feel safe. I went last year before vaccines.

ceadaoin. · 27-06-2021 03:05AM

gozunda wrote: »

That still does not change how masks actually work.

Any careless handling of a mask is more likley to impact the wearer than others imho.

If it's not an n95 or equivalent, it really isn't doing much to protect anyone tbh. A thin, badly fitting piece of cloth or paper is not stopping an airborne virus.

Don't Chute! · 27-06-2021 06:08AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Quote from the sunday time's front page:

"Ministers resigned themselves to a delay of at least two weeks to the reopening of indoor hospitality, with one senior government source saying the challenge now was to ensure the full return date for pubs and restaurants did not slip past July 19th."

"Senior sources said other changes on July 5th were unlikely to be affected, such as the return of communion and confirmation ceremonies in churches, the number of guests at a wedding increasing from 25 to 50, and the doubling of crowd numbers at club soccer and GAA matches from 100 to 200."

It’s terrible isn’t it? I mean if only these people were in some sort of position to do something about it.
That’s them effectively admitting that Tony calls the shots in this country now. But of course “he only advises, that’s all, nothing else” is all we ever hear on here.

seansouth36 · 27-06-2021 07:49AM

Deeper Blue wrote: »

It's utterly depressing seeing the rest of Europe enjoying indoor hospitality and essentially being back to normal in many respects, while we're on about delaying our easing with fewer people in hospital than you can fit on a bus.

Keep seeing people on this thread saying we are the only country in Europe without indoor hospitality, which is simply not true. I am currently in Greece, and guess what, there's no indoor hospitality allowed. Up until Friday, wearing a mask in public was also mandatory. Before Greece I was in Turkey (not in the EU, I know), and again indoor hospitality banned and everyone has to wear a mask in public. Add a curfew and police checkpoints everywhere and things were far stricter than in Ireland. People keep repeating BS talking points as it suits their narrative, but it's just not true. I am not a fan of the restrictions or NPHET, but why make things up?

Leftwaffe · 27-06-2021 08:04AM

Might be a bit outlandish but I’m gonna predict that there won’t be indoor dining in 2021 at all.

irishgeo · 27-06-2021 08:27AM

Beirut wrote: »

It's not outlandish at all, given the lines we've been fed to keep us on board, since the start of last year.

The curve has been flattened, the vunerable are vaccinated, hospital and ICU numbers are minimal, but thats not good enough anymore. It's back to the now famous "two more weeks" stick. The powers that be, be it Tonys crowd or the Government, don't give a god damn about us.

I'll think you find they have the population health in their minds.

Sure open let's up with the young people who are not vaccinated who go out most into tight indoor spaces and develop covid with unknown long term effects. If our health IT system wasn't crippled by a cyber attack it may have been easier to open.

We been closed 18 months 2 more weeks isn't going to matter.

You can't go to the pub or restaurant. Yeah it's the end of the world. Give over.

Multipass · 27-06-2021 08:37AM

irishgeo wrote: »

I'll think you find they have the population health in their minds.

Sure open let's up with the young people who are not vaccinated who go out most into tight indoor spaces and develop covid with unknown long term effects. If our health IT system wasn't crippled by a cyber attack it may have been easier to open.

We been closed 18 months 2 more weeks isn't going to matter.

You can't go to the pub or restaurant. Yeah it's the end of the world. Give over.

This is the most dangerous viewpoint I’ve read on here yet.

Jinglejangle69 · 27-06-2021 08:49AM

Hilarious hotels have been open for dining and drinking for a month now.

Where's all the clusters and outbreaks from it?

giveitholly · 27-06-2021 08:53AM

If vaccinations are so important then why is the limerick centre at the racecourse closing any day there is racing on there?

Nozebleed · 27-06-2021 08:55AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Hilarious hotels have been open for dining and drinking for a month now.

Where's all the clusters and outbreaks from it?

they're working on it...IT system is down y'know:P

Del Griffith · 27-06-2021 08:56AM

irishgeo wrote: »

I'll think you find they have the population health in their minds.

Sure open let's up with the young people who are not vaccinated who go out most into tight indoor spaces and develop covid with unknown long term effects. If our health IT system wasn't crippled by a cyber attack it may have been easier to open.

We been closed 18 months 2 more weeks isn't going to matter.

You can't go to the pub or restaurant. Yeah it's the end of the world. Give over.

Ah yes the classic fear of the unknown narrative, shut down parts (or all) of the economy "just in case"..

And what pray tell do you think will have changed in 2 weeks? Will the dreaded 'young people' all be fully vaccinated? Will indoor spaces suddenly become less terrifying? Will we all somehow know the long term effects of covid19?

27-06-2021 08:57AM

irishgeo wrote: »

I'll think you find they have the population health in their minds.

Sure open let's up with the young people who are not vaccinated who go out most into tight indoor spaces and develop covid with unknown long term effects. If our health IT system wasn't crippled by a cyber attack it may have been easier to open.

We been closed 18 months 2 more weeks isn't going to matter.

You can't go to the pub or restaurant. Yeah it's the end of the world. Give over.

You comment borders on illiteracy, and that last paragraph about pubs and restaurants, I never mentioned anything about myself not being able to go. I care about people getting their livelihoods and lives back to normal as quickly as possible.

Jinglejangle69 · 27-06-2021 09:09AM

irishgeo wrote: »

I'll think you find they have the population health in their minds.

Sure open let's up with the young people who are not vaccinated who go out most into tight indoor spaces and develop covid with unknown long term effects. If our health IT system wasn't crippled by a cyber attack it may have been easier to open.

We been closed 18 months 2 more weeks isn't going to matter.

You can't go to the pub or restaurant. Yeah it's the end of the world. Give over.

Spoken like a true person who hasn't had their salary or job affected since last march.

Sure I'm alright Jack.

hynesie08 · 27-06-2021 09:11AM

irishgeo wrote: »

I'll think you find they have the population health in their minds.

Sure open let's up with the young people who are not vaccinated who go out most into tight indoor spaces and develop covid with unknown long term effects. If our health IT system wasn't crippled by a cyber attack it may have been easier to open.

We been closed 18 months 2 more weeks isn't going to matter.

You can't go to the pub or restaurant. Yeah it's the end of the world. Give over.

At some point your going to read this back and realize how embarrassing a take this is.

Gavlor · 27-06-2021 09:14AM

irishgeo wrote: »

I'll think you find they have the population health in their minds.

Sure open let's up with the young people who are not vaccinated who go out most into tight indoor spaces and develop covid with unknown long term effects. If our health IT system wasn't crippled by a cyber attack it may have been easier to open.

We been closed 18 months 2 more weeks isn't going to matter.

You can't go to the pub or restaurant. Yeah it's the end of the world. Give over.

Any thoughts on those that have weddings planned over the month of July? It runs a bit deeper than the lazy narrative of paddy not being able to have a pint inside a pub.

facehugger99 · 27-06-2021 09:14AM

204235201_3653879651380411_2112952193237960430_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=q9eV7zVC6f8AX_qNDQf&_nc_ht=scontent-dub4-1.xx&oh=fd9ff065c687cbb3792d0e1fa86d0623&oe=60DC43FD

What a joke of a country we are.

Anyone defending our response to Covid should be ashamed of themselves.

Sweet.Science · 27-06-2021 09:20AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

What a joke of a country we are.

Anyone defending our response to Covid should be ashamed of themselves.

It's too late for any delay now .

We are cracking on with it thankfully for the all the businesses affected

Dempo1 · 27-06-2021 09:28AM

irishgeo wrote: »

I'll think you find they have the population health in their minds.

Sure open let's up with the young people who are not vaccinated who go out most into tight indoor spaces and develop covid with unknown long term effects. If our health IT system wasn't crippled by a cyber attack it may have been easier to open.

We been closed 18 months 2 more weeks isn't going to matter.

You can't go to the pub or restaurant. Yeah it's the end of the world. Give over.

Do you know one headline stood out for me in yesterday's Irish Examiner "6 million pints at Risk", I thought to myself is this really we're we have arrived after an horrendous 14 month's. Another headline also struck me at the same time "Overrun Emergency Departments can expect 'apocalyptic' conditions this winter, medic warns", of course not entirely because of Covid.

Utterly bizzare we've gone to a narrative entirely centered around the freedom to consume alcohol and food indoors, just extraordinary.

For the record, my two locals, never seved so much as a packet of crisps, built outdoor spaces, financed entirely with grants, I picked up neighbours last night, outdoor areas empty, indoors packed. I'll leave it that but my god, a few weeks of cautious delay doesn't seem remotely unreasonable to me.

giveitholly · 27-06-2021 09:33AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Do you know one headline stood out for me in yesterday's Irish Examiner "6 million pints at Risk", I thought to myself is this really we're we have arrived after an horrendous 14 month's. Another headline also struck me at the same time "Overrun Emergency Departments can expect 'apocalyptic' conditions this winter, medic warns", of course not entirely because of Covid.

Utterly bizzare we've gone to a narrative entirely centered around the freedom to consume alcohol and food indoors, just extraordinary.

For the record, my two locals, never seved so much as a packet of crisps, built outdoor spaces, financed entirely with grants, I picked up neighbours last night, outdoor areas empty, indoors packed. I'll leave it that but my god, a few weeks of cautious delay doesn't seem remotely unreasonable to me.

A few weeks? We have been hearing that for the last year,and what about all the small businesses that can't open,let's leave the drink out of it,What about all the small cafes and restaurants especially on the west coast who depend on the tourist season to survive? What about all the families who have booked holidays and now will have no where to dine? But no it's all about drinking pints

niallo27 · 27-06-2021 09:34AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Do you know one headline stood out for me in yesterday's Irish Examiner "6 million pints at Risk", I thought to myself is this really we're we have arrived after an horrendous 14 month's. Another headline also struck me at the same time "Overrun Emergency Departments can expect 'apocalyptic' conditions this winter, medic warns", of course not entirely because of Covid.

Utterly bizzare we've gone to a narrative entirely centered around the freedom to consume alcohol and food indoors, just extraordinary.

For the record, my two locals, never seved so much as a packet of crisps, built outdoor spaces, financed entirely with grants, I picked up neighbours last night, outdoor areas empty, indoors packed. I'll leave it that but my god, a few weeks of cautious delay doesn't seem remotely unreasonable to me.

Based on what though, we have already done the cautious delay, we are already last to reopen. Our hospitals are empty, vulnerable are vaccinated, anyone with 1 shot of AZ is 80% protected. Are the rest of Europe monsters that don't care about the health of their citizens. Why leave ut a few more weeks, let's leave it a few more months if we are going be cautious.

CruelSummer · 27-06-2021 09:36AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Do you know one headline stood out for me in yesterday's Irish Examiner "6 million pints at Risk", I thought to myself is this really we're we have arrived after an horrendous 14 month's. Another headline also struck me at the same time "Overrun Emergency Departments can expect 'apocalyptic' conditions this winter, medic warns", of course not entirely because of Covid.

Utterly bizzare we've gone to a narrative entirely centered around the freedom to consume alcohol and food indoors, just extraordinary.

For the record, my two locals, never seved so much as a packet of crisps, built outdoor spaces, financed entirely with grants, I picked up neighbours last night, outdoor areas empty, indoors packed. I'll leave it that but my god, a few weeks of cautious delay doesn't seem remotely unreasonable to me.

This is totally disingenuous and the attempt to paint it as people looking for pints is pathetic.
At what point do we reopen further? What will have changed in 2/3 weeks? What if as is inevitable a new variant is ‘discovered’ then? Where is the end game for you in this?

irishgeo · 27-06-2021 09:43AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Spoken like a true person who hasn't had their salary or job affected since last march.

Sure I'm alright Jack.

I actually had but it's easy quote to throw around.

irishgeo · 27-06-2021 09:50AM

Multipass wrote: »

This is the most dangerous viewpoint I’ve read on here yet.

Yeah whatever you think. Some of the **** I have read on here is far dangerous than what I have posted.

We would have been in a far worse place if some of the people on here were running the country.

Dempo1 · 27-06-2021 09:54AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

This is totally disingenuous and the attempt to paint it as people looking for pints is pathetic.
At what point do we reopen further? What will have changed in 2/3 weeks? What if as is inevitable a new variant is ‘discovered’ then? Where is the end game for you in this?

It's not actually, take a look back at this thread, and it's desended into arguments about pubs, indoor dining and some extraordinary statements, insults and conspiracy theories, I've made an observation based on two strikely different headlines, of course I maybe wrong but clearly it's got a reaction, pretty much on the nail as to what I expected.

cloudatlas · 27-06-2021 09:56AM

Yeah, I'm in the UK the pubs and restaurants are packed and cases are rising fast. See you on the otherside.

Dempo1 · 27-06-2021 09:58AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Based on what though, we have already done the cautious delay, we are already last to reopen. Our hospitals are empty, vulnerable are vaccinated, anyone with 1 shot of AZ is 80% protected. Are the rest of Europe monsters that don't care about the health of their citizens. Why leave ut a few more weeks, let's leave it a few more months if we are going be cautious.

Just with regard to hospitals being empty? I presume you refer to covid cases and yes agreed but take a walk downstairs to A&E back up to normal wards and you'll find a very different picture I'm afraid. The cyber attack has crippled hospitals with even the most basic diagnostic treatments affected, bloods, xrays etc.

CruelSummer · 27-06-2021 10:02AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

It's not actually, take a look back at this thread, and it's desended into arguments about pubs, indoor dining and some extraordinary statements, insults and conspiracy theories, I've made an observation based on two strikely different headlines, of course I maybe wrong but clearly it's got a reaction, pretty much on the nail as to what I expected.

Ok so as I asked and you failed to answer. What are your metrics as to when we proceed as planned? Ireland was already painfully slow. Do you agree with the delay? At what point do we align ourselves with the rest of Europe & U.K. as we’re currently more closed than they are?
How many more billions taxpayers money are you willing to indebt Ireland with to keep places closed while hospitals are empty of Covid?

The media onslaught, ISAG & NPHET behaviour of the last two weeks will give fuel to the conspiracy theorists unfortunately. ISAG seem to have speed dial access to all media platforms - without challenge. Where do they get their funding and prominence from here?
They can say anything in an interview - blatant lies without so much as an investigation by BAI or challenge by the interviewer.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Comments

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings