Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Tenger · 26-06-2021 02:00PM

Stheno wrote: »

Immunologist in that article saying indoor hospitality should only reopen when 80^ of adults are fully vaccinated

Which may not even be possible with those who are vaccine hesitant/anti-vaxx or unable to take it due to medical conditions.

zackory · 26-06-2021 02:01PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah life is about risks

How many of us visited the UK/Europe back in the mid 2010s when you could of been blown to smithereens

You could die in a plane crash
Plenty of more examples

The problem these lads have is a complete inability to quantify risk.

PTH2009 · 26-06-2021 02:03PM

zackory wrote: »

The problem these lads have is a complete inability to quantify risk.

Yep and there salaries aren't very much at risk either

gozunda · 26-06-2021 02:12PM

zackory wrote: »

Restrictions like 140000 at the British grand pris and live bands indoors in pubs on Saturday nights.
The UK case numbers are increasing but no restrictions have been introduced to curb it.
Johnson is merely hole covering by delaying the last few.Situation here is much more prohibitive at the moment and cases are declining.

Don't shoot the messenger...

Look you can do whatever whataboutery you like - that's simply a summation of the type of thinking here and the UK (even though they're ahead of us with regard to vaccinations) with regard to the next phase of restrictions being rolled back.

eg

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57464097

many scientists have called for the reopening to be delayed to enable more people to be vaccinated and receive second doses, amid rising cases of the Delta variant, which was first identified in India...

zackory · 26-06-2021 02:20PM

gozunda wrote: »

Look you can do whatever whataboutery you like - that's simply a summation of whats happening here and the UK with regard to the next phase of restrictions being rolled back.

There is no whataboutery about it.

Following a surge the UK postponed easing final restrictions, leaving hospitality, classed as high risk, open.

Here in Ireland there is no surge but we are on about postponing things, well pretending to, as hotels and household gatherings continue unabated.

It's a hole covering move by Johnson, nothing more.

zackory · 26-06-2021 02:23PM

gozunda wrote: »

Don't shoot the messenger...

Look you can do whatever whataboutery you like - that's simply a summation of the type of thinking here and the UK (even though they're ahead of us with regard to vaccinations) with regard to the next phase of restrictions being rolled back.

eg

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57464097

That article is almost 2 weeks old, I had a look at BBC and sky just there, some covid story about Sydney and russia, doesn't seem to be too many problems on their home front.

gozunda · 26-06-2021 02:29PM

zackory wrote: »

There is no whataboutery about it.Following a surge the UK postponed easing final restrictions, leaving hospitality, classed as high risk, open.
Here in Ireland there is no surge but we are on about postponing things, well pretending to, as hotels and household gatherings continue unabated. It's a hole covering move by Johnson, nothing more.

I think you're missing the point - if lifting of restrictions were to be delayed here - afaik the thinking is to prevent any 'surge' (like the UK) happening in the first place.

But as I said just because some may not like that - is not reason to not understand it.

suicide_circus · 26-06-2021 02:31PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0626/1231449-covid-ireland/

Speaking on RTEs Brendan O'Connor show, Prof Mills said: "People in their 60s in Ireland who have had one dose of the AstraZenca vaccine are still vulnerable, so they can't go to a restaurant.

Can't?

AlekSmart · 26-06-2021 02:32PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0626/1231449-covid-ireland/

Speaking on RTEs Brendan O'Connor show, Prof Mills said: "People in their 60s in Ireland who have had one dose of the AstraZenca vaccine are still vulnerable, so they can't go to a restaurant.

Can't?

Is he related to the inventor of the Mills Bomb...?

gozunda · 26-06-2021 02:34PM

zackory wrote: »

That article is almost 2 weeks old, I had a look at BBC and sky just there, some covid story about Sydney and russia, doesn't seem to be too many problems on their home front.

Eh? Yes they article is 2 weeks old because
The news story detailed the holding off on lifting UK restrictions originally targeted for the 21st June and the reasoning for same viz

But many scientists have called for the reopening to be delayed to enable more people to be vaccinated and receive second doses, amid rising cases of the Delta variant, which was first identified in India.

So yes the lifting of the UK restrictions has already been delayed. Thats simply fact at this stage. Not sure what you're arguing about tbh.

MOR316 · 26-06-2021 02:38PM

Not Covid related per say but...

I absolutely love when someone gets proved wrong, they always get defensive and play the "whataboutery" card

Up there with the "next two weeks are crucial" quote.

Guys/Girls, it's OK. You don't have to be right all the time

gozunda · 26-06-2021 02:42PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Not Covid related per say but...

I absolutely love when someone gets proved wrong, they always get defensive and play the "whataboutery" card

Up there with the "next two weeks are crucial" quote.

Guys/Girls, it's OK. You don't have to be right all the time

Do they? According to yourself is it?

And as far as I can see the only people going on about "next two weeks are crucial" are those loosing their frillies over what possibly might happen ...

Do a search in this thread if you are in any doubt :pac:

Whatsisname · 26-06-2021 03:04PM

Crazy turnout for the lockdown protest in London today.

[url]

https://twitter.com/politicsforali/status/1408786791965114376?s=21[/url]

Stheno · 26-06-2021 03:07PM

Kingston Mills earlier on RTE suggested indoor dining should reopen for the fully vaccinated

Spanish Eyes · 26-06-2021 03:10PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Crazy turnout for the lockdown protest in London today.

[url]
https://twitter.com/politicsforali/status/1408786791965114376?s=21[/url]

Those protests don't achieve anything except to make a point. Look at the numbers at the anti Brexit marches for example. Brexit is here to stay.

Sobit1964 · 26-06-2021 03:17PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Crazy turnout for the lockdown protest in London today.

[url]
https://twitter.com/politicsforali/status/1408786791965114376?s=21[/url]

And yet not a peep on skynews - they seem more concerned with the filthy and now discredited Hancock. They also seemed to report on several other protests but they were about 'woke' type things, and 'mostly peaceful' so they matter. :rolleyes:

MOR316 · 26-06-2021 03:20PM

gozunda wrote: »

Do they? According to yourself is it?

And as far as I can see the only people going on about "next two weeks are crucial" are those loosing their frillies over what possibly might happen ...

Do a search in this thread if you are in any doubt :pac:

In fairness, I should have made it clearer

I was referring to NPHET and Government and the George Lees of the world saying it.

I don't recall anyone on Boards saying it in a serious manner

Enough of your Whataboutery

MOR316 · 26-06-2021 03:22PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Crazy turnout for the lockdown protest in London today.

[url]
https://twitter.com/politicsforali/status/1408786791965114376?s=21[/url]

That's the queue for the jacks outside St. Stephen's Green shopping centre

Burty330 · 26-06-2021 03:27PM

Soon enough everybody will be vaxx'd up.. How will they justify further lockdowns after everybody has agreed to pump their serum into their veins.

griffdaddy · 26-06-2021 03:28PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Those protests don't achieve anything except to make a point. Look at the numbers at the anti Brexit marches for example. Brexit is here to stay.

Those point making exercises don't achieve anything except make a point.

PTH2009 · 26-06-2021 03:28PM

Burty330 wrote: »

Soon enough everybody will be vaxx'd up.. How will they justify further lockdowns after everybody has agreed to pump their serum into their veins.

VARIANTS Some of which will be Vaccine Resident (so the experts say)

facehugger99 · 26-06-2021 03:50PM

zackory wrote: »

The problem these lads have is a complete inability to quantify risk.

Or to price their elimination.

We could obviously eliminate the risks associated from driving by banning it fully. We don't do this because the cost to us, both financially and socially, would be way too high to justify the reduction of risk.

Any project manager with a couple of years experience understand this. You manage risk, you don't just decide to eliminate it entirely at the cost of millions.

We however have spent ten of billions without any questioning of what we're actually achieving, what we're gaining or what it's costing.

It's a moment of mass hysteria and we are lead by a bunch of cowards, cheered on by the public who have been terrified by a media being financially incentivised to terrify them.

growleaves · 26-06-2021 03:51PM

Stheno wrote: »

Kingston Mills earlier on RTE suggested indoor dining should reopen for the fully vaccinated

Vaccine apartheid is a bad road to go down imo. Already has created a lot of bad feeling in Israel and Hungary

26-06-2021 04:00PM

growleaves wrote: »

Vaccine apartheid is a bad road to go down imo. Already has created a lot of bad feeling in Israel and Hungary

But do you think it would be unpopular in Ireland? I think it'd be popular.

By the way, I agree with you that it's a bad road to go down. It's just that I see no reason to believe it wouldn't be popular in Ireland.

PTH2009 · 26-06-2021 04:02PM

Numbers going up but only 43 in hospital with 13 in ICU related to Covid

For all of us who want the 5th July reopening its not going our way, they will use the rise in numbers as fuel to delay it

Loafing Oaf · 26-06-2021 04:03PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

VARIANTS Some of which will be Vaccine Resident

Vaccine resistant is bad enough, but actually living in the vaccine:P

Tenger · 26-06-2021 04:14PM

growleaves wrote: »

Vaccine apartheid is a bad road to go down imo. Already has created a lot of bad feeling in Israel and Hungary

“Vaccine apartheid” isn’t a thing.

People are provided with a free vaccine to allow relaxation of public health restrictions. People who chose not to avail of this have made their decision and are happy to continue with those public health restrictions.

brickster69 · 26-06-2021 04:14PM

Looks like Delta plus is taking off

https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1408803498683207696

PTH2009 · 26-06-2021 04:16PM

brickster69 wrote: »

Looks like Delta plus is taking off

https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1408803498683207696

Bye bye July/Aug 2021

We will Delay, England will once again delay and we delay again

brickster69 · 26-06-2021 04:23PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Bye bye July/Aug 2021

We will Delay, England will once again delay and we delay again

In February it was same cases and 600 deaths. More than half them cases will be children in schools.

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