Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

zackory

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

So according to you we should conduct a massive medical experiment on our younger population by exposing them to an extremely damaging novel virus they are unvaccinated for.

Sounds a bit, well, North Korean.

It's not extremely damaging to young people.

gozunda

Multipass wrote: »

Green cert - look it up.

I have.

I presume you speculating on those wanting to travel abroad (and evidently have money to spend funnily enough) - who would be daft enough to get themselves deliberately infected "to save a 100 euros"? rather than being vaccinated or failing that getting tested like other normal people?

OK. Thing is to do that you need a "recovery cert"

Which requires the date of a positive PCR test result with a validity period of less than 180 days since the date of positive test result (PCR)

Multipass

Graham wrote: »

I don't know any Grannies exempt from the travel restrictions, obviously they exist in your world where teens are running around licking each other to save €100.

In reality there's something around three quarters of 60 somethings waiting for their second dose and I don't believe there are hundreds of infected teens roaming the street.

The first dose gives good protection, let them isolate until the second if they’re worried.
You’re in cloud cuckoo land if you think older people aren’t off holidaying right now.
Licking each other, you’re so funny. I’m sure they’re religiously keeping 2 meters apart to save..... someone.

growleaves

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

So according to you we should conduct a massive medical experiment on our younger population by exposing them to an extremely damaging novel virus they are unvaccinated for.

Sounds a bit, well, North Korean.

That is the opposite of the truth.

It is your ramshackle leper colony which is the medical experiment, and which has parallels - not coincidental but directly borrowed - from the Communist world.

Snooker Loopy

zackory wrote: »

It's not extremely damaging to young people.

400,000 people in the UK have had Long Covid symptoms for a year or more.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-57555941

Your thinking is the sort of thinking referenced here.

https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1406726617523703809

Multipass

gozunda wrote: »

I have.

I presume you speculating on those wanting to travel abroad (and evidently have money to spend funnily enough) - who would be daft enough to get themselves deliberately infected "to save a 100 euros"? rather than being vaccinated or failing that getting tested like other normal people?

OK. Thing is to do that you need a "recovery cert"

Which requires the date of a positive PCR test result with a validity period of less than 180 days since the date of positive test result (PCR)

How many late teens do you know who have been offered the chance of a vaccine? When will they be done? Oh yes just in time to start term - a term which is increasingly looking like the same bull**** as last year.

Those young people who have been lucky enough to be infected will have proof of recovery, unless of course they were unlucky enough to have no symptoms. Funny old world.

gozunda

growleaves wrote: »

That is the opposite of the truth.

It is your ramshackle leper colony which is the medical experiment, and which has parallels - not coincidental but directly borrowed - from the Communist world.

Is it ?

I presume you are referring to the term "lockdown" that you were going on about previously?

So you don't believe that large scale physical distancing measures and movement restrictions can slow COVID‑19 transmission by limiting contact between people? Restrictions which out of interest were adopted almost globally btw and not just here in this "ramshackle leper colony". And a "ramshackle leper colony" that has one of the lowest covid case and death rates when listed against our closest European neighbours....

OK...

Snooker Loopy

growleaves wrote: »

That is the opposite of the truth.

It is your ramshackle leper colony which is the medical experiment, and which has parallels - not coincidental but directly borrowed - from the Communist world.

You genuinely come across like you're standing on a street corner shouting at nobody when you come out with stuff like this.

People used to have some shame about coming across as crazy.

But Covid has enabled a cohort who totally reject any concepts of complexity or uncertainty to indulge their inner paranoid conspiracist.

Everything is "communist". This is the sort of person GB News is aimed at.

It's hard to do anything but laugh at responses like these.

gozunda

Multipass wrote: »

How many late teens do you know who have been offered the chance of a vaccine? When will they be done? Oh yes just in time to start term - a term which is increasingly looking like the same bull**** as last year.

Those young people who have been lucky enough to be infected will have proof of recovery, unless of course they were unlucky enough to have no symptoms. Funny old world.

You may have missed this bit

"rather than being vaccinated or failing that getting tested like other normal people?"

Let me ask you a question. How many "late teens" have you polled in your groundbreaking armpit licking survey?

the kelt

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

You genuinely come across like you're standing on a street corner shouting at nobody when you come out with stuff like this.

People used to have some shame about coming across as crazy.

But Covid has enabled a cohort who totally reject any concepts of complexity or uncertainty to indulge their inner paranoid conspiracist.

Everything is "communist". This is the sort of person GB News is aimed at.

It's hard to do anything but laugh at responses like these.

Did you not just a few posts bring up “it’s a bit North Korean” ie communist?

growleaves

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

You genuinely come across like you're standing on a street corner shouting at nobody when you come out with stuff like this.

People used to have some shame about coming across as crazy.

But Covid has enabled a cohort who totally reject any concepts of complexity or uncertainty to indulge their inner paranoid conspiracist.

Everything is "communist". This is the sort of person GB News is aimed at.

It's hard to do anything but laugh at responses like these.

Er you invoked North Korea which is a Communist country, which is what I was responding to.

Are you a viewer of GB news yourself?

TefalBrain

People getting on with living life in Portugal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmOvJR5rb7c

Fantastic to see compared to the attitude of Holahan and his bunch of cronies here who treat people like dirt.

Snooker Loopy

growleaves wrote: »

Er you invoked North Korea which is a Communist country, which is what I was responding to.

Are you a viewer of GB news yourself?

Another poster with similar crazy views to yourself brought up North Korea.

I correctly pointed out that a mass medical experiment with a novel virus on unvaccinated people sounds like something the North Koreans would get up to.

It does, doesn't it?

No, I'm not a viewer of GB News but I know more than enough about it to know exactly what it is - a UK attempt to create a Fox News style ultra-nationalist, far right propaganda juggernaut designed to disinform and turn people into crazy, paranoid conspiracy theorist lunatics. This is the only way the international right-wing can win these days - by disinformation, fear and paranoia, because they have nothing else to offer. Engaging people's inner caveman in other words.

Some people are clearly already there and need no further help in becoming such.

zackory

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

400,000 people in the UK have had Long Covid symptoms for a year or more.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-57555941

Your thinking is the sort of thinking referenced here.

https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1406726617523703809

Oh yeah, long covid, thankfully doesn't exist in Ireland, at least I've heard very little about it.

Havent seen Tony mention it in recent months either as a justification for restrictions - have you?

Snooker Loopy

TefalBrain wrote: »

People getting on with living life in Portugal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmOvJR5rb7c

Fantastic to see compared to the attitude of Holahan and his bunch of cronies here who treat people like dirt.

Portugal is shutting down again.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/lisbon-imposes-early-weekend-closures-travel-restrictions-covid-cases-rise-2021-06-24/

zackory

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Another poster with similar crazy views to yourself brought up North Korea.

I correctly pointed out that a mass medical experiment with a novel virus on unvaccinated people sounds like something the North Koreans would get up to.

It does, doesn't it?

No, I'm not a viewer of GB News but I know more than enough about it to know exactly what it is - a UK attempt to create a Fox News style ultra-nationalist, far right propaganda juggernaut designed to disinform and turn people into crazy, paranoid conspiracy theorist lunatics. This is the only way the international right-wing can win these days - by disinformation, fear and paranoia, because they have nothing else to offer. Engaging people's inner caveman in other words.

Some people are clearly already there and need no further help in becoming such.

Who proposed a mass medical experiment?

Snooker Loopy

zackory wrote: »

Oh yeah, long covid, thankfully doesn't exist in Ireland, at least I've heard very little about it.

Havent seen Tony mention it in recent months either as a justification for restrictions - have you?

Sure it doesn't exist. We're magically genetically different to the Brits.

gozunda

TefalBrain wrote: »

People getting on with living life in Portugal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmOvJR5rb7c

Fantastic to see compared to the attitude of Holahan and his bunch of cronies here who treat people like dirt.

You mean "getting on with life" like the situation in Portugal where restrictions in a number of areas are being reimposed? Such as Albufeira as seen in that video?

Stricter COVID-19 rules will be imposed across the Lisbon region and Algarve tourism magnet Albufeira as Portuguese authorities try to control a rise in infections that threatens the country's summer holiday season.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/lisbon-imposes-early-weekend-closures-travel-restrictions-covid-cases-rise-2021-06-24/

Snooker Loopy

zackory wrote: »

Who proposed a mass medical experiment?

That's what ye're doing. Own it.

Snooker Loopy

gozunda wrote: »

You mean "getting on with life" like the situation in Portugal where restrictions in a number of areas are being reimposed?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/lisbon-imposes-early-weekend-closures-travel-restrictions-covid-cases-rise-2021-06-24/

Pesky facts.

GeorgeBailey

TefalBrain wrote: »

People getting on with living life in Portugal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmOvJR5rb7c

Fantastic to see compared to the attitude of Holahan and his bunch of cronies here who treat people like dirt.

It's all outdoors though. Just like we can do here.

growleaves

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Another poster with similar crazy views to yourself brought up North Korea.

I correctly pointed out that a mass medical experiment with a novel virus on unvaccinated people sounds like something the North Koreans would get up to.

It does, doesn't it?

No, I'm not a viewer of GB News but I know more than enough about it to know exactly what it is - a UK attempt to create a Fox News style ultra-nationalist, far right propaganda juggernaut designed to disinform and turn people into crazy, paranoid conspiracy theorist lunatics. This is the only way the international right-wing can win these days - by disinformation, fear and paranoia, because they have nothing else to offer. Engaging people's inner caveman in other words.

Some people are clearly already there and need no further help in becoming such.

Lockdowns came out of nowhere, they are experimental, yet you are claiming that *not* being in lockdown is an experiment. That is incorrect. The word 'novelty' does not cancel all historical provenance sorry.

zackory

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Portugal is shutting down again.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/lisbon-imposes-early-weekend-closures-travel-restrictions-covid-cases-rise-2021-06-24/

That's not a shut down. It's a balanced approach rather than keep everything closed forever.

zackory

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

That's what ye're doing. Own it.

So nobody is proposing a mass medical experiment....except you maybe.

niallo27

Those poor bastards in Portugal having to take a free antigen test. Having to wait 10 minutes. North Korea, someone said. Not a patch on it.

zackory

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

It's all outdoors though. Just like we can do here.

Is that by choice or is indoor banned?

zackory

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Sure it doesn't exist. We're magically genetically different to the Brits.

Tony Holohan doesn't seem concerned about it, is he wrong?

Sobit1964

zackory wrote: »

Approval has been given for an initial trial that will involve up to 90 carefully screened, healthy, adult volunteers aged between 18 and 30. They will be exposed to the coronavirus in a safe, controlled environment. It is hoped further trials will follow.

Any sources on this? Is it Ireland doing it?

Really good if true.

the kelt

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

Another poster with similar crazy views to yourself brought up North Korea.

I correctly pointed out that a mass medical experiment with a novel virus on unvaccinated people sounds like something the North Koreans would get up to.

It does, doesn't it?

No, I'm not a viewer of GB News but I know more than enough about it to know exactly what it is - a UK attempt to create a Fox News style ultra-nationalist, far right propaganda juggernaut designed to disinform and turn people into crazy, paranoid conspiracy theorist lunatics. This is the only way the international right-wing can win these days - by disinformation, fear and paranoia, because they have nothing else to offer. Engaging people's inner caveman in other words.

Some people are clearly already there and need no further help in becoming such.

North Korea’s issues lie in the fact the people suffer at the whim of one person or group of persons. They impose their fears, beliefs and concerns on the people.

Coming up to the 5th of July, If we see data, numbers etc staying broadly the same in regards to the virus yet ignore “following the science” and keep current restrictions in place due to the “concerns” of one or a few people then I would consider that to be something akin to what the North Korea get up to wouldn’t you agree?

Thankfully however I don’t see that happening and to be fair people on both sides of the pro/anti restrictions have said the same on here. Numbers being admitted to hospitals/icu etc dont back up not easing restrictions further so let’s hope it remains that way.

Snooker Loopy

zackory wrote: »

That's not a shut down. It's a balanced approach rather than keep everything closed forever.

So cafes closing at 3:30pm and supermarkets closing down at 7pm is now fine according to you.

Needing a negative test to leave or enter your city is fine.

Countries progressively shutting down travel to and from Portugal is fine.

And ye're supposed to be the people who are anti-restrictions, yet ye suddenly think the above is fine?!

And apparently we, in Ireland, are the people who are locked down - but the above is "freedom"?!

All over the place doesn't do ye justice.

Utterly clueless.