To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

xhomelezz · 21-06-2021 1:19pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

I know many people who wear the mask in their cars, alone, or in their homes, sometimes alone too, in other situations when they clearly never meet anyone. Despite this, they still wear a mask, and when you ask them why they answer they feel good and it isn't a problem for them.

So yes, someone likes to wear them.

It's simple, if you are planning to visit three or four shops, no point to take the mask off in between. Smart way, much smarter than to be fiddling with mask every 5 minutes. That's why you see people in the car with the mask on. There are usually simple explanations, no need to post wild speculations as it's happening in your other posts.

And good luck with staring into the windows and checking if peeps are wearing masks or not, a bit weird isn't it.

xhomelezz · 21-06-2021 1:21pm

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Ah go away with your useless masks, people are sick of them.

Ah another spokesperson for 'people'.

xhomelezz · 21-06-2021 1:23pm

SnuggyBear wrote: »

The worst I've seen is someone in the countryside wearing a mask in the garden.

Good practice when you spray weedkiller.

SnuggyBear · 21-06-2021 1:26pm

xhomelezz wrote: »

Ah another spokesperson for 'people'.

Power to the people

rob316 · 21-06-2021 1:36pm

I've pretty much stopped wearing one, I've a special needs child he needs to be able to see my face to communicate. Two nosy ***** said something to me over the last month but told them to mind their own. Staff don't really care and I haven't been refused entry anywhere.

Unicorn Milk Latte · 21-06-2021 1:38pm

The only people who, arguably, 'love masks' - the ones working actively on extending the mask mandate as long as possible - are the antivaxxers and the Covid deniers.

SnuggyBear · 21-06-2021 3:52pm

Unicorn Milk Latte wrote: »

The only people who, arguably, 'love masks' - the ones working actively on extending the mask mandate as long as possible - are the antivaxxers and the Covid deniers.

Wut

Irish Stones · 21-06-2021 4:09pm

xhomelezz wrote: »

It's simple, if you are planning to visit three or four shops, no point to take the mask off in between. Smart way, much smarter than to be fiddling with mask every 5 minutes. That's why you see people in the car with the mask on. There are usually simple explanations, no need to post wild speculations as it's happening in your other posts.

Or they are going to work and wear their masks on the way out to work rather than wearing them before entering their workplace, like someone I know, some of my colleague.

And good luck with staring into the windows and checking if peeps are wearing masks or not, a bit weird isn't it.

The only weird ones here are those who come to conclusions without even knowing. Where did I say that I peep into others' windows?

xhomelezz · 21-06-2021 6:07pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

Or they are going to work and wear their masks on the way out to work rather than wearing them before entering their workplace, like someone I know, some of my colleague.

The only weird ones here are those who come to conclusions without even knowing. Where did I say that I peep into others' windows?

How else would you know they wearing mask inside the house, even when they are on their own?

Seanergy · 21-06-2021 7:44pm

Bondi AUS have introduced a 5 day public transport mask mandate.

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1406847893722517505

Irish Stones · 22-06-2021 8:16am

xhomelezz wrote: »

How else would you know they wearing mask inside the house, even when they are on their own?

You all keep missing the part "I know them", so I know who they are and how they live. No need to peep inside their windows, it's enough to pass by their houses and see them there, on the door, or within their property.
Is that clear enough now?

fun loving criminal · 22-06-2021 10:03am

Irish Stones wrote: »

You all keep missing the part "I know them", so I know who they are and how they live. No need to peep inside their windows, it's enough to pass by their houses and see them there, on the door, or within their property.
Is that clear enough now?

So you pass by their house and just presume they love wearing masks? How do you know they're not back from the shop/post office/wherever for example or getting ready to go to the shop/post office/wherever?

Or do you stalk them that much that you know their every move? Very odd behaviour.

Irish Stones · 22-06-2021 10:51am

fun loving criminal wrote: »

So you pass by their house and just presume they love wearing masks? How do you know they're not back from the shop/post office/wherever for example or getting ready to go to the shop/post office/wherever?

Or do you stalk them that much that you know their every move? Very odd behaviour.

Very early in the morning, or late at night, right they're going or back from shopping.
I didn't know you were a neighbour of mine and knew everything of my area and people's habits.

odyssey06 · 22-06-2021 11:01am

The masks have taken over the google homepage

fun loving criminal · 22-06-2021 11:10am

Irish Stones wrote: »

Very early in the morning, or late at night, right they're going or back from shopping.
I didn't know you were a neighbour of mine and knew everything of my area and people's habits.

Your posts keep getting creepier. You're out watching neighbours early in the morning and late at night?

fun loving criminal · 22-06-2021 11:20am

Seanergy wrote: »

Bondi AUS have introduced a 5 day public transport mask mandate.

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1406847893722517505

Is the rest of the world still going with 15 minutes face-to-face?

Irish Stones · 22-06-2021 1:13pm

fun loving criminal wrote: »

Your posts keep getting creepier. You're out watching neighbours early in the morning and late at night?

Alright, you need someone that explains things to you. You can't do that on your own, this is clear.
Best of luck!

fun loving criminal · 22-06-2021 1:51pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

Alright, you need someone that explains things to you. You can't do that on your own, this is clear.
Best of luck!

It's very clear what you are saying. You watch your neighbours at all hours to figure out that they like wearing face masks in their own home. You are the only person with odd behaviour.

CalamariFritti · 22-06-2021 3:19pm

I propose this thread should be closed. It defies the meaning of its title anyway. Its the mask appreciation thread. Not the mask or not thread.
And everything that can be said has been said so all it leads to now are frustrated little spats.

fun loving criminal · 22-06-2021 5:10pm

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I propose this thread should be closed. It defies the meaning of its title anyway. Its the mask appreciation thread. Not the mask or not thread.
And everything that can be said has been said so all it leads to now are frustrated little spats.

It shouldn't be closed. You still have people who do not understand what is going on and why masks help with all this. Covid comes out of the mouth and nose from people who have symptoms and who are asymptomatic and people are still questioning why we cover our mouths and nose.

xhomelezz · 22-06-2021 8:25pm

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I propose this thread should be closed. It defies the meaning of its title anyway. Its the mask appreciation thread. Not the mask or not thread.
And everything that can be said has been said so all it leads to now are frustrated little spats.

Thread title is To Mask or not to.

You are getting as much space as you want (as anyone else) to convince whoever you want that masks are not needed anymore. Don't really get why would you propose for this thread to be closed?

Unicorn Milk Latte · 22-06-2021 8:54pm

Just for completeness' sake, there are scenarios when wearing a mask at home makes sense, like when a family member receives chemo, is immunosuppressed, has MS etc.

For some of these scenarios, it's double dangerous for the affected people, because, while some immunosuppressed can theoretically get vaccinated, the vaccine is ineffective (immune system can't produce the antibodies..), and they are weakened due to their condition.

Seanergy · 22-06-2021 10:02pm

Seanergy wrote: »

Sure we are all mad here.

Mad with caution/kindness or mad with selfishness/disregard seems to be the question.

Cork's anti-mask granny got cheered and clapped outa of the courtroom this week, not to mentioned given the fair play comments on here. She may well have mental issues so maybe the anti-mask should hold back praising her.

Ms Buttimer was in court again lasy week where she pleaded guilty to two further charges of refusing to wear a mask.

Judge has adjourned on the request of her defence lawyer so that she can be medically assessed and he remanded her on bail to appear again on July 12th.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/woman-66-pleads-guilty-to-breaches-of-covid-19-regulations-1.4593275

Terry.. · 22-06-2021 10:03pm

When will the masks come off in the workplace

Is there a date for that ?

fun loving criminal · 23-06-2021 12:06am

Terry.. wrote: »

When will the masks come off in the workplace

Is there a date for that ?

Not with this Delta variant around unfortunately. People picking up covid after passing each other in a shopping centre in Sydney. They weren't wearing face masks. And now we have a Delta plus variant. I think masks are with us as long as they are unsure and trying to figure the whole thing out.

Seanergy · 24-06-2021 8:43am

fun loving criminal wrote: »

Is the rest of the world still going with 15 minutes face-to-face?

Pretty much, the universal GP allotted time.

Sonic the Shaghog · 24-06-2021 5:58pm

I work in retail currently and have asthma. I was doing ok up until the last few months and I am finding now after the 8+ hours if wearing the mask I am having awful trouble breathing often having to go into the back to gasp for air and wheezing regularly. I've had covid tests etc and am negative.

I'm just wondering tho if I were to ask my GP for the mask medical exemption can I be charged? Cause I know being referred for a test etc is free but I've no medical card and €50+ for a letter is something I couldn't afford for the moment

Thanks

Sleeper12 · 24-06-2021 6:08pm

Sonic the Shaghog wrote:

I'm just wondering tho if I were to ask my GP for the mask medical exemption can I be charged? Cause I know being referred for a test etc is free but I've no medical card and â‚¬50+ for a letter is something I couldn't afford for the moment

Id be surprised if you weren't charged for a visit for the letter.

What fee would you be charged for a regular sick note?

Turtwig · 24-06-2021 6:13pm

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

I work in retail currently and have asthma. I was doing ok up until the last few months and I am finding now after the 8+ hours if wearing the mask I am having awful trouble breathing often having to go into the back to gasp for air and wheezing regularly. I've had covid tests etc and am negative.

I'm just wondering tho if I were to ask my GP for the mask medical exemption can I be charged? Cause I know being referred for a test etc is free but I've no medical card and €50+ for a letter is something I couldn't afford for the moment

Thanks

Talk to your pharmacists about the masks. They may be able to advise you of one that doesn't impact your breathing. Your gp should also be able to do this but as you stated it may cost you.
You should probably talk to them. Especially if you are going short of breath.

Beasty · 24-06-2021 10:14pm

Threads merged

Unicorn Milk Latte · 25-06-2021 1:50am

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

I work in retail currently and have asthma. I was doing ok up until the last few months and I am finding now after the 8+ hours if wearing the mask I am having awful trouble breathing often having to go into the back to gasp for air and wheezing regularly. I've had covid tests etc and am negative.

Have you spoken to your manager? If he/she's aware you have asthma, maybe has seen you use an inhaler pre-Covid, he/she may be understanding, and allow you to work maskless without cert...

Poorside · 25-06-2021 6:53am

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

I work in retail currently and have asthma. I was doing ok up until the last few months and I am finding now after the 8+ hours if wearing the mask I am having awful trouble breathing often having to go into the back to gasp for air and wheezing regularly. I've had covid tests etc and am negative.

I'm just wondering tho if I were to ask my GP for the mask medical exemption can I be charged? Cause I know being referred for a test etc is free but I've no medical card and €50+ for a letter is something I couldn't afford for the moment

Thanks

What type of mask are you using? I've found the medical masks much easier to wear for a prolonged period than reusable ones.

Seanergy · 25-06-2021 3:02pm

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

I work in retail currently and have asthma. I was doing ok up until the last few months and I am finding now after the 8+ hours if wearing the mask I am having awful trouble breathing often having to go into the back to gasp for air and wheezing regularly.

I would certainly stop going into the back to gasp for air. Start by speaking to your boss, request a 5 minute mask break every hour. I don't mean in the back, where others are also gasping/breathing/talking/laughing on mask breaks, I mean outside in the fresh air.

I would also start to entertain the possibility that it may not be the mask that is causing your wheezing/trouble breathing.

Gasping for air suggests your mouth breathing. Mouths are not designed for breathing. Check with yourself if are mouth breathing all/some of the time or just when wearing your masking. Some people have been known to switch from regular breathing to mouth breathing when donning a mask.

If you get it, use that 5 minute mask break to rengage/reinforce your nose breathing, you will feel a lot better afterwards.

odyssey06 · 25-06-2021 3:54pm

Israel requires masks indoors again as Delta variant drives up cases... The health ministry re-imposed the mask requirement for all indoor settings except the home, and said it was also recommending masks be worn at large outdoor gatherings.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-requires-masks-indoors-again-delta-variant-drives-up-cases-2021-06-25/

Seanergy · 25-06-2021 10:22pm

Margaret Buttimer arrested again this morning. Ms Buttimer already has a suspended sentence arising from the first incident and unpaid court fine for the same and a conviction for two later offences with the penalty being deferred until July 12, pending the provision of a medical report.

Judge McNulty released her on bail into the care and control of her family, on the usual conditions to keep the peace and be of good behaviour, but also with two special conditions: that she will not enter any shop or retail outlet or any kind of place where members of the public visit, including post offices and libraries; and he specifically directed her to stay out of Riverview Shopping Centre and South Main St in Bandon and adjacent areas.

Ms Buttimer is to appear before Bandon District Court on July 5 next, to indicate a plea or to fix a date for trial.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40322924.html

DebDynamite · 25-06-2021 11:16pm

Seanergy wrote: »

Margaret Buttimer arrested again this morning. Ms Buttimer already has a suspended sentence arising from the first incident and unpaid court fine for the same and a conviction for two later offences with the penalty being deferred until July 12, pending the provision of a medical report.

Judge McNulty released her on bail into the care and control of her family, on the usual conditions to keep the peace and be of good behaviour, but also with two special conditions: that she will not enter any shop or retail outlet or any kind of place where members of the public visit, including post offices and libraries; and he specifically directed her to stay out of Riverview Shopping Centre and South Main St in Bandon and adjacent areas.

Ms Buttimer is to appear before Bandon District Court on July 5 next, to indicate a plea or to fix a date for trial.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40322924.html

Does anyone know if she had been vaccinated, or is she against that too?

fun loving criminal · 26-06-2021 2:13am

Seanergy wrote: »

Margaret Buttimer arrested again this morning. Ms Buttimer already has a suspended sentence arising from the first incident and unpaid court fine for the same and a conviction for two later offences with the penalty being deferred until July 12, pending the provision of a medical report.

Judge McNulty released her on bail into the care and control of her family, on the usual conditions to keep the peace and be of good behaviour, but also with two special conditions: that she will not enter any shop or retail outlet or any kind of place where members of the public visit, including post offices and libraries; and he specifically directed her to stay out of Riverview Shopping Centre and South Main St in Bandon and adjacent areas.

Ms Buttimer is to appear before Bandon District Court on July 5 next, to indicate a plea or to fix a date for trial.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40322924.html

The judge should have sent her to India.

Seanergy · 26-06-2021 10:43am

DebDynamite wrote: »

Does anyone know if she had been vaccinated, or is she against that too?

I don't, but if this is anything to go by, in her first trial, Judge Roberts queried whether Ms Buttimer had previously suggested she may have a medical reason for refusing to wear a mask but she denied this and said: "I feel it is my freedom is being taken."

Any anti-maskers in thread got the jab yet?

She may well find out the true definition of freedom being taken away fairly soon.

Seanergy · 26-06-2021 10:52am

Negative attitudes about facemasks during the COVID-19 pandemic: The dual importance of perceived ineffectiveness and psychological reactance.

EXTRACT:

Several reasons for not wearing masks were suggested by news reports of anti-mask protests: Beliefs that masks violate civil liberties, beliefs that masks are ineffective and possibly harmful because masks make breathing difficult, and beliefs that the threat of COVID-19 has been exaggerated [3, 20, 22, 23, 32–38]. Despite the range of anti-mask attitudes, a common theme running through these reports is that protestors believe that mandatory masks are a violation of civil rights. In other words, anecdotal news reports suggest that the rallies are motivated, at least in part, by a phenomenon known as psychological reactance (PR)

Psychological reactance

People like to feel in control [39]. Relatedly, PR is a motivational response to rules, regulations, or attempts at persuasion that are perceived as threatening one’s sense of control, autonomy, or freedom of choice [40, 41]. The perceived threat motivates the person to assert their freedom by rejecting attempts at persuasion, rules, regulation, and other means of control. Thus, when PR is evoked it is characterized by counter-arguments and anger [42]. This might involve denying the existence of a threat [40, 43]; for example, denying the need to wear masks by denying the seriousness of the pandemic. Thus, PR is expected to be correlated with a denial or disregard for the seriousness of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The tendency to experience PR is a personality trait [44], which is correlated with a range of phenomena including antisocial and narcissistic personality traits [45, 46] and with political conservatism [47, 48]. The latter finding is not surprising given that conservative ideology, as compared to liberal ideology, strongly favors limited government intervention [30], and so government policies that threaten to restrict freedoms are likely to elicit PR [47]. Mass communication messages that try to persuade people to adopt a given behavior, such as wearing masks, can elicit PR, thereby undermining the impact of the message [41, 49]. Given these considerations, it is important to investigate whether PR is implicated in mask non-adherence during the COVID-19 pandemic.

LINK

Dempo1 · 26-06-2021 11:39am

Seanergy wrote: »

Margaret Buttimer arrested again this morning. Ms Buttimer already has a suspended sentence arising from the first incident and unpaid court fine for the same and a conviction for two later offences with the penalty being deferred until July 12, pending the provision of a medical report.

Judge McNulty released her on bail into the care and control of her family, on the usual conditions to keep the peace and be of good behaviour, but also with two special conditions: that she will not enter any shop or retail outlet or any kind of place where members of the public visit, including post offices and libraries; and he specifically directed her to stay out of Riverview Shopping Centre and South Main St in Bandon and adjacent areas.

Ms Buttimer is to appear before Bandon District Court on July 5 next, to indicate a plea or to fix a date for trial.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40322924.html

Just extraordinary carry on, I got a sense from her last appearance her solicitor was "looking into" mitigating factors. She's stretching the Judges extraordinary patience. I'm just shocked she was actually released on bail given her recent conviction which I believe included a suspended sentence? Surely if most people with a suspended sentence active were hauled before a judge less than 2 weeks later on further charges, at a minimum remand would be ordered.

No doubting she was wearing her smile for this latest appearance, just outrageous and its clear she's seeking attention, egged on by muppets waiting outside the court house.

fun loving criminal · 26-06-2021 12:14pm

What do ye guys think of a workplace that provides surgical face masks but in their policy writes that sides of the mask should be sealed ensuring there are no gaps? The sides on these masks are impossible to seal.

Kind of makes me think they are trying to absolve themselves from responsibility by telling us to seal the gaps. But aren't providing N95 to help us.

I know there is a trick by tying the loop at the side in a knot. But that doesn't work with anyone with a big face because it just leaves the loops shorter and you can't fit them around the ears. And if they write that trick in the policy, they will have people piling up at the start of their shift unmasked and all tying knots in their mask, and they shouldn't be encouraging staff gartherings like that.

Seanergy · 26-06-2021 2:33pm

fun loving criminal wrote: »

What do ye guys think of a workplace that provides surgical face masks but in their policy writes that sides of the mask should be sealed ensuring there are no gaps? The sides on these masks are impossible to seal.

Kind of makes me think they are trying to absolve themselves from responsibility by telling us to seal the gaps. But aren't providing N95 to help us.

I know there is a trick by tying the loop at the side in a knot. But that doesn't work with anyone with a big face because it just leaves the loops shorter and you can't fit them around the ears. And if they write that trick in the policy, they will have people piling up at the start of their shift unmasked and all tying knots in their mask, and they shouldn't be encouraging staff gartherings like that.

I'd be peeved, you have to be shown how and told why. The later may be why they are not doing the former.

Obviously they are trying to stretch the function of an object to do more than it is not designed to do. The media inside good quality SM's are up to the challenge but the design and one size approach to surgical masking is what is holding back surgical masks from becoming more than droplet barriers.

I'm presuming all the SM's are the same size and you have no choice in size.

Are you allowed to wear a fixthemaskbrace or similar ontop of your SM? Are they supplying any ear savers, mask extenders to help with fit?

Any chance of seeing this mask policy, even a retracted version?

AlekSmart · 26-06-2021 2:45pm

fun loving criminal wrote: »

What do ye guys think of a workplace that provides surgical face masks but in their policy writes that sides of the mask should be sealed ensuring there are no gaps? The sides on these masks are impossible to seal.

Kind of makes me think they are trying to absolve themselves from responsibility by telling us to seal the gaps. But aren't providing N95 to help us.

I know there is a trick by tying the loop at the side in a knot. But that doesn't work with anyone with a big face because it just leaves the loops shorter and you can't fit them around the ears. And if they write that trick in the policy, they will have people piling up at the start of their shift unmasked and all tying knots in their mask, and they shouldn't be encouraging staff gartherings like that.

Are you in a vulnerable cohort ?

Have you a sense of being isolated in your views at work ?

Have you considered going sick with work related stress ?

You make an elequent case in your post,which a GP should have little difficulty in recognising as stress.

Is there another less populated work location where you may feel more in control of your environment ?

There may be some avenues open to you.

Managements,all over,will simply repeat whatever mantra is published by "The Authorities",which is all I would expect really,as I'm assuming they need to keep their core businesses afloat ?

Very little mask wearing outside the clinical environment is being carried out according to protocols...just checkout the footpaths and hedgerows for examples.

Sorry for your predicament,but only you can address the issues to your own satisfaction.

fun loving criminal · 26-06-2021 4:11pm

Seanergy wrote: »

I'd be peeved, you have to be shown how and told why. The later may be why they are not doing the former.

Obviously they are trying to stretch the function of an object to do more than it is not designed to do. The media inside good quality SM's are up to the challenge but the design and one size approach to surgical masking is what is holding back surgical masks from becoming more than droplet barriers.

I'm presuming all the SM's are the same size and you have no choice in size.

Are you allowed to wear a fixthemaskbrace or similar ontop of your SM? Are they supplying any ear savers, mask extenders to help with fit?

Any chance of seeing this mask policy, even a retracted version?

Not allowed that mask brace gadget or ear savers or extenders in work. I'll see if I can get the mask policy next week.

Tenger · 26-06-2021 4:21pm

fun loving criminal wrote: »

Not allowed that mask brace gadget or ear savers or extenders in work. I'll see if I can get the mask policy next week.

Seems a bit OTT.

My own workplace insists that we wear the disposable surgical masks. They provide us plenty for use during our shifts (4 per shift) but have no procedure concerning tightening the sides.

I use an ear protector myself because I find the strings chafe my ear and sometimes I get shorter strings.

fun loving criminal · 26-06-2021 5:17pm

With Delta being more transmissible, should we be moving to N95 masks?

fun loving criminal · 26-06-2021 5:49pm

What do people think of wearing masks outdoors? I know the advice is mask outdoors in crowded areas.

I avoid huge crowds anyways. But with Delta variant more transmissible what about outdoors in less crowded areas?

Seanergy · 26-06-2021 6:19pm

fun loving criminal wrote: »

With Delta being more transmissible, should we be moving to N95 masks?

Who is the we? Are you not going to be presented with the same problem your currently experiencing with the SM's at work, seal/fit.

Seen just as many poorly fitted N95's as SM's. The one size/shape fits all approach to masking does not work, be it SM's or N95's.

Both N95s and SMs are made up of Non-Woven Polypropylene(NWPP), melt blown fibers and sealed using induction welders, the big difference being shape/fit.

If you were to offer me a poorly fitting HQ N95 or a tightly sealed HQ SM, I would choose the SM over the N95 everytime.

Regardless of the more transmissible nature of Delta, as a basic standard, all staff working in suspected or confirmed COVID-19 zones should be wearing tightly sealed masks.

Diabhalta · 26-06-2021 6:19pm

fun loving criminal wrote: »

What do people think of wearing masks outdoors? I know the advice is mask outdoors in crowded areas.

Makes no sense, people look like idiots when they wear them when there is no one around. I guess people wear them in cork city centre because they go from shop to a shop but still.. what are you doing people? Pls stop.

The covid numbers are so low, you're outside... there is no need.

And people alone driving in cars with masks on? Really?

Diabhalta · 26-06-2021 6:20pm

Seanergy wrote: »

Who is the we?

Covid worshippers.

To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

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