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I need a bit of help on what's next. Not sure whether to ask here or on the RRQs thread... But I'll try here.
My 4 weeks is up on Sunday (yay) and I'm free to move on. I was going to follow a plan but have been mulling over Wottle's post in the Complicated thread more recently. I also found the 'introduction to running' thread for the first time the other day
and read this thread on taking days off.
Ideally what I'd like to do is add another day now, throw in a few strides on a Wednesday and a few hills on Sundays. Is this too much too soon?
If you got the chance to start again, what would you do?0 -
Hannibal_Smith wrote: »I need a bit of help on what's next. Not sure whether to ask here or on the RRQs thread... But I'll try here.
My 4 weeks is up on Sunday (yay) and I'm free to move on. I was going to follow a plan but have been mulling over Wottle's post in the Complicated thread more recently. I also found the 'introduction to running' thread for the first time the other day and read this thread on taking days off.
Ideally what I'd like to do is add another day now, throw in a few strides on a Wednesday and a few hills on Sundays. Is this too much too soon?
If you got the chance to start again, what would you do?
Your plan is pretty sound but not all at once. Add an extra day if you feel ready and stick with easy running for a few weeks. Then add the strides for another few weeks before adding a few hills. Its all about slow progressive steps. I know its not what you want to hear but I think it's the only way to go. Best of luck with it.0 -
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The end of the first four weeks is here. It was actually grand and simple. Jog gently every second day. I thought it would be so mundane, like the 20 mins before that, but I actually learned lots.
Running on grass as I mentioned before has been the most genius idea I've ever had
and its all been lovely and relaxed. I've really noticed the benefit of it the last week.
Morton's Mountain has been grand as a result, in fact I always remember slowing when I got to it. Now I'm naturally holding myself up and lifting my legs, dipping onto the grass to get the motion right again if it starts to wobble. It also has me so popular with other runners, who always give me a wave of thanks when I'm the one who opts to move off the path - little do they know I'm doing it for the purely selfish reasons :pac: Unless its been raining and the grass is slippy then surely people can walk single file so we can all share??
Four weeks ago the avg pace was 12.30p/m or so. The last week its been around 11.40p/m. It is 100% not through any pushing or extra effort by me. I never look at the watch so haven't a clue where I'm at and my mentality is the slower I go the longer I get to stay out - back ar$ed as that sounds :pac: More importantly I felt a bit sluggish the last week so have deliberately made sure I'm not pushing. So there very well could be something wrong with the watch
Weight loss has been great. I don't own a scales (which probably has me in this mess). Instead I'm going by Operation Collarbone - the more it protrudes, the more weight is coming off . Its going well so far still a lot further to go but really happy with how things are going. Probably the drop in blubber being hauled around is the reason for the drop in avg pace?
Diet is going well. I've had a bit of a naughty week sugar wise but it has been perfectly ok and controlled although it has to go again. No binges which is the main thing but moderation is not an option here! Initially I was struggling without carbs but now where there used to be carbs I have broccoli or cauliflower rice or salad and its actually grand. I look forward to every meal. I haven't gone full keto. I'm only learning and feel I'll be adding another layer of pressure I don't need yet.
Next week I'll add another day as per the last couple of posts, which I'm really happy about and will ding dang do for now 0 -
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Move to 5 days
Week 1 - 23rd March - 28th March
The 5 days got off to a bit of a rocky start. Legs felt really heavy and sluggish and I felt like I was coming down with something. The heart rate and BP were grand so I took it to mean there was nothing in the system. All the same I was exhausted after each run.
Week 2 - 29th March - 4th April
Wondered whether I was truly being honest with how easy I was going. So I tried to keep an eye on the heart rate and keep it down into the 130s. Almost got it too avg hr was 141. Tried it two days consecutively and as its not far off where it was without the watch gawking, I knocked it on the head towards the end of the week because it was bordering on annoying! By the end of the week I was feeling much better and had some truly lovely runs. I broke OBM into 3 parts, which is helping get the better of it which is an incredible win!
Week 3 - 5th April - 12th April
Start of the week, the runs were really odd. By the end of the run my calves were so tight, completely uncomfortable and my feet felt numb :eek: I’ve been going through a checklist of possible causes, loosened my laces, took everything very handy and managed to keep it below that pain level as the week went on, downloaded that app Lulu recommended yesterday and did some stretching. Again it improved as the week went on but not sure what caused it. Decided to take on Thomas Davis Hill yesterday mind you and it went much better than I ever could have hoped and I almost have OBM by the neck! So its all good.
Weightloss is going well – though alcohol has made a return and I have had a few naughty nibbles
. Its my own fault really, I hadn’t prepared myself for Easter and the chocolate it would bring. Actually I hadn’t expected much chocolate given no visitors arrived. But my parents managed to get eggs to us!! .
I wouldn’t mention this outside of here – other than to my husband of course – but the problem with food appears to be a little more deeply rooted than the simple gluttony I thought it was. I described what happens to the GP, I pinpointed when I think it started, back when I was a kid (its not for relaying here lol) and he told me it was binge eating disorder. I’d never heard of it and never knew it was a thing. He said to remove all sugar from the house as a first step, which was all grand and simple until the Easter Bunny dumped a heap of chocolate eggs on us!! Anyhow although I did partake in some chocolate eating – there was no binge. But the guilt after even the smallest of amounts is too much!! It has been so hard to keep control. Anyhow I clung to the thoughts of how lovely running feels at the moment now that I’m lighter and eating properly. Not only that, the last few weeks without the guilt have been a lovely break! It started to dawn on me that the relief I used to get from the binges, I’m actually starting to get from running. Those smooth runs where you’re in control and you feel the engine is well oiled and working properly are on a par with how the binges used to feel and the bonus is I’ve no guilt afterwards! I’m so lucky to have it.
I just need some shops to open so I can get new jeans. I look like MC Hammer :pac: 0 -
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Another Podcast that may be helpful or interesting... someone recommended it to me recently but I haven't actually listened to it (yet). I think binge eating is probably the most common form of disordered eating out there.
Keep up the great work
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12th April - 30th April
Finished off the 5 days easy. Moved on to throwing a few strides into Wednesdays run. They felt so lovely not panicked or rushed they were calm and a bit fun :eek:
Did the Boards Anniversary 5k TT x 2
Woke up on Monday - tank was empty. Took a day off. Tuesday - tank was empty-ish went for a light jog the opposite way round (route wise not me). I knew I had no ability to be running up Morton's Mountain so ran down it instead . Woke up in the early hours of Wednesday morning with a horrendous migraine and unable to get back to sleep. Tried a run that day had the post migraine 'brain fog' with zero energy and for the first time since last Oct cut the run short. I was so worried I'd pushed myself back by doing the two TTs back to back and knocked the heart rate out of whack which was going to take going back to 20 minute runs to fix. Mores the point, I had signed up to the Great Limerick 5k a couple of months ago and it was this weekend! I couldn't get another 5k out of myself!!
Early to bed and clean eating all week - no running till Fri and sure maybe things might be better.
Great Limerick Virtual 5k
I know virtual events arent ideal, but I signed up for it as a practice. I was always going to treat it like a race day and try and get to grips with the nerves. At the same time I wanted to do it on the Friday and not have it hanging over me over the Bank Holiday weekend!
Followed the same routine that worked for the TTs - breakkie - coffee - dropped the kids to school and drove into the Phoenix Park. No messing here, if you're going to treat it like a race day then we're going all out and going to face your dreaded nemesis - the Furry Glen Hill!
Mile 1 - warmed up a teeney bit - all very serious and got going. Did the same as last week, without looking at the watch I settled into a pace that was motoring but nothing too mad then gave the watch a quick glance - 10.45. Decided to try and hold it, the engine might fail, it may not, no point worrying yet. There were a few people about to dodge but this was all in the crack! 10:52 - not ideal, but better than the TT so you never know what might happen!
Mile 2 - was heading down into the bowels of the Park and was still feeling ok, but was constantly worried that the engine was going to fail at some stage. I was breathing heavier than I would have liked and that made me worry I wasn't going to last. For the first time I managed to banish the doubts and worries and just went with it. Its all downhill here, try get some benefit from it. If I wane, I wane, but I'm not waning yet. 10:35.
Mile 3 - suddenly there it was! Furry Glen Hill, this is where it was all going to fall apart. I kept repeating 'Its no worse than OBM, no worse than OBM'. And I got up it in one surviving piece!!!! I've never actually tackled it before!! Got round the corner and across the road - I was doing this!!! I'd less than a mile to go!! What do I do now?
Do I try push? Is it too early? Jaysus I'm not sure! I wasnt expecting this! :pac: I suppose that was the handy thing about doing the TT on a route that I knew every lump and bump of vs doing it somewhere unfamiliar. I moved out of someone's way onto the grass and my legs just felt like lead so I decided not to push yet and I lost my 10 seconds here. I should have pushed on, but didn't have the courage to. I turned onto the last stretch and picked it up and I knew it would be over somewhere passed the bollards, but the not knowing of where it would end was hard. I counted in my head, I relaxed my hands, I blocked out everything my brain was saying and went as hard as I could until the beep.
Finished up at 32:51 which is 10 seconds slower than last week, but I'm happy enough. I gave it a good shot on a route that fills me with fear and I think with a bit of practice I could get a bit more confidence to push sooner.
Considering how the week went and that the whole thing was in doubt I'm happy to have done it and given it a decent go. I've started to dream again! :eek: 0 -
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Laineyfrecks wrote: »Well done on facing your fear of that route & completing it:)
I believe you should always have a dream, helps push you to achieve it, never stop dreaming
Dream big, work hard...
Congratulations on topping the challenge table!0 -
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1st May – 26th May
It’s been 5 day weeks generally going like this:-
Easy Runs
Easy runs are all around 3 miles and have an average pace of 11:30p/m or so. There is no need for it to be at that pace at all and I’m constantly trying to reel it back but it’s nowhere near the 12:30 it used to be! I get into such a lovely smooth rhythm and completely switch off mind you. But I know I need to be more careful. Monday, Thurs (or Fri depending on other stuff), Sat and Sun have been all easy runs, strides on a Wednesday up until now. Sun now has hills.
Strides
30 seconds long with 60 seconds jog recovery. I looked up how to do strides and thought I’d read it properly. Start with 4 and add on two each week. Counted the week of the 5k TTs as 6. Went a bit askew a couple of weeks with the counting. Went back and read the article again on Sunday and realized I wasn’t supposed to add on each week, I was supposed to add on after 3-4 weeks. Given I’m 4 weeks into it decided to do 6 which is a nice comfortable number. I also lashed them out in week 3, so brought them back to a more comfortable pace today.
I’ll attempt a fancy table for this
Date|Stride 1|Stride 2|Stride 3|Stride 4|Stride 5|Stride 6|Stride 7|Stride 8|Stride 9|Stride 10
21/4/21|10:20p/m|10:29p/m|11:09p/m|11:01p/m
28/4/21|3 5k TTs|Counted as 6
5/5/21|9:45p/m|10:10 p/m|9:48p/m|8:54p/m|9.23p/m|10:21p/m|9:44p/m
12/5/21|10:23p/m|9:54p/m|9:15p/m|9:48p/m|9:11p/m|9:06p/m|8:28p/m|8:44p/m|9:21p/m
19/5/21|9:00p/m|8:37p/m|8:28p/m|8:37p/m|8:05p/m|8:48p/m|8:08p/m|8:09p/m|8:40p/m|8:21p/m
26/5/21|9:54p/m|9:14p/m|8:50p/m|8:46p/m|9:24p/m|8:37p/m
Hills
Sunday was Week 1 of hills. Googled again and found an article which said to find a hill of approx. 200m length with a 4-10% gradient. Started with 3 as per instructions and my god did they zap the living out of my legs! Followed the advice of maintaining the same effort all the way up – no sprinting off and burning out before the top. Held myself upright so I could feel my core working and walked back down to the bottom each time. Did a 1 mile warm up before and a 1 mile cool down after.
Hill 1|9:53
Hill 2|9:49
Hill 3|9:27
The runs are a bit measly length wise but it’s all going so well at the moment that I’m reluctant to lengthen them unless it feels right and until the end of the 4 weeks of hills.
Notwithstanding that I think I’m actually heading places. I’m getting a few little achievements on Strava which is lovely. Most of my course records were set in 2015 when I was young and skinny and following an ecoli plan. I didn’t think I’d ever be near them again. It’s all got me thinking about what I might be able to do if I follow a plan. Can I start dreaming of 29:xx for a 5k and 59:xx for a 10k? It would be an absolute dream come true . I thought of signing up for the KBC virtual 10k, but it’s way too soon. I think I’m better off being patient, focus on getting things right over the next 4 weeks and see where I’m at then. Also, if I’m going to do it, I don’t want to do it as part of a lonely TT – I actually want to do it with a clock and a gantry and if there’s a fan fare sure who would I be to say no to that
Operation Collar Bone is going well weight continues to reduce - BP is still a pain in the hoop – Thyroid is now underactive which has me permanently set on freeze and so tired but the heart rate is gloriously low! There are days like today, where the temptation to sit one out is mega, but the only thing getting me out the door is that every step gets me (hopefully) closer to the dream!0 -
26th May - 20th June
The great thing about looking back is realising when you’re letting things slip. I see the last four weeks has comprised of 2 weeks of 4 runs and 2 weeks of 3 runs. I can’t even remember the how’s or the whys. I know it’s been pretty chaotic in our house with getting work done and at the beginning of this week I was feeling rough – so much so walking the dog had me breathless and to be fair it does take a lot these days for me to miss an entire run – but if I can’t remember the hows or the whys the reason for missing the rest clearly wasn’t good enough! That said, every week no matter what I miss I generally don’t skip the strides or the hills, bar one.
Last week my sons GAA club had a fundraiser run - 4 laps of the pitch with a few minutes rest in between each lap. I ran higher than my comfort zone for sure but I know I could have done better. The thing was I was running with a friend and although I really felt I could have pushed the last stretch a of each lap a bit harder, it felt a bit rude to do so. Although, I’m not sure what condition I would have been in if I hadn’t been sensible. I would have looked a right t*t if I’d gone flat out, left my friend behind and had to walk the last lap! :pac: Anyhow my legs were sore the next day so postponed the final hills week.
Strides (not all on the same route) :-
Week| Stride 1|Stride 2 |Stride 3 |Stride 4|Stride 5 |Stride 6
1|9.54 |9.14|8.50|8.46|9.24 |8.32
2|8.49 |8.45|7.58|9.33|8.08 |8.31
3|9.13 |8.53|8.46|8.34|9.21|9.23
4|9.54 |9.14|8.50|8.46|9.24 |8.32
Hills (not all on the same hill) :-
Week|Hill 1|Hill 2 |Hill 3 |Hill 4|Hill 5 |Hill 6|Hill 7|Hill 8|Hill 9
1|9.21|8.46|8.59|8.41|8.59|-|-|-|-
2|9.33|9.15|9.33|9.12|10.15|10.15|9.51|-|-
3|9.20|8.35|9.18|9.33|9.43|9.18|9.41|9.43|9.47
I don’t think the above are of any great insight. Anyone can lash out something for 30 seconds/a hill. But I do feel a kind of competency developing with each week.
This weeks hill was hard and I was always going to use it for the last of the 4 week stint. I couldn't have dreamed of using it for anything other than walking up 4 weeks ago so to be doing 9 Hill repeats on it today was a nice achievement.
What I want to try this week is find out how long I can run at a 10:00p/m pace for. That’s the goal at the end of the day. So rather than strides this Wed, I’m going to run at that pace and hold it for as long as I can and see what that feels like. It’s all well and good doing a 30 sec stride at 9:xx minutes, but sure what good is that if I can’t hold it and all the while I’m knocking them out I could be learning what the goal pace feels like. 30 seconds is too short a time to figure it out, so rather than increasing the number of strides, the plan is to run 6 longer stints at a 5k pace. If that makes sense. Hopefully it works!
Non running bit
2 years ago, I left a job that broke me. At the time what I should have done was go to my GP (who now tells me he could have helped me), but I couldn’t talk about it. Which is a common problem for me. I can post things on boards but when it comes down to voicing an issue I just can’t do it. Anyhow I left and my main focus was not to break any more than I already had. Jogging slowly after the school run helped me focus and find a hook that helped with it. I stopped from sinking any further but never managed to get back up for air. When I did the Boards 5k TT last year, there were times where I wanted to stop and walk but I kept pushing on and all of a sudden a little seed was planted that as the cliché goes I'm down but not out just yet. There is a fight left in me. From there I followed plans, got back on my feet, got a little ill, got back on my feet and before I knew it, I was back up breathing free without even realising when it happened. With each plan and each week of ticking every box I was supposed to, I started to get back to myself.
A few months ago a job came up and I went for it. It was the dream job, something I’ve always wanted. I threw in an application, not believing I’d get any where. As it turned out after a long application process, I am top of the list of applicants, got offered the job and I start in September.
To say I’m over the moon is an understatement. To say I owe where I am today to running is no exaggeration. Every step I’ve put into it has given me so much more back in bucket loads and I can’t believe I am where I am today, considering where I was 2 years ago. If I can keep working and get a decent time (for me!) the next time a race comes up, or even just stand on a start line with a smidge of confidence and not sheer dread :pac: that would just bookend this era nicely 1 -
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OOnegative wrote: »Congratulations on the new job L, your log is a real bundle of joy an inspiration. It’s clear that you love your running and it loves you, keep it going!!
For the gazzilionth time thanks so much for organising that TT! 0 -
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Annie get your Run wrote: »I was briefly in one of those teams, the training sessions took way more out of me than any run, including longer stuff!!! I ended up injured with all the twisting and turning but having said that, I really enjoyed it for the year I was there. Go for it, have fun but maybe just ease off on the running for the first couple of weeks until you get used to being back doing something completely different. Enjoy!
Well this is why I was reluctant to go back because I couldn't walk for 2 days after the training sessions :pac: I know I need more squats in my life, but I flaming hate them :pac: But they all assure me it's changed now and it's all drills and nothing like it used to be. And I like the matches.
Thanks Murph... Hope all is OK for you.0 -
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