The Irish media hysteria

paw patrol · 15-06-2021 8:24am

Deleted User wrote: »

What we did, undoubtedly worked

welding people into their houses in china worked too.
doesn't mean it was appropriate and the consequences will be long lasting.

Not denying covid was "a thing" but the whole reaction was hysterical and overblown. Concern for certain grouping on society causing all other sections to be ignored and have the rights trampled on.

Protecting grannys sounds noble but we introduced hugely damaging policies on an entire population for only a few.

there were much better ways.

15-06-2021 8:44am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What we did, undoubtedly worked

We’re an island with a young population and the longest lockdown in Europe. I’d be surprised if we were topping the death charts.

But we are topping the debt charts. But who cares about that sort of stuff anymore.

finalfurlong · 15-06-2021 8:49am

paw patrol wrote: »

welding people into their houses in china worked too.
doesn't mean it was appropriate and the consequences will be long lasting.

Not denying covid was "a thing" but the whole reaction was hysterical and overblown. Concern for certain grouping on society causing all other sections to be ignored and have the rights trampled on.

Protecting grannys sounds noble but we introduced hugely damaging policies on an entire population for only a few.

there were much better ways.

RTE surpassesd themselves last night with comment on ICU at 23 "an increase of one on yesterday "!they made no reference when saying cases were 248-which is the lowest in year to date.Beyond a joke if they feel it is okay not to see that as worth a mention

Feria40 · 15-06-2021 9:01am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

1x opinion piece

2x good common sense based on what we know is happening in the UK. They will be getting the second over the next few weeks

I can't agree.

A headline saying "won't be allowed travel" is awful clickbait. The piece then goes on to say won't be allowed travel without a negative test which is correct.

Chivito550 · 15-06-2021 9:17am

Shameful SCAREMONGERING.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1404381985364193282?s=19

mcsean2163 · 15-06-2021 3:44pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What we did, undoubtedly worked

I blogged about it here.

https://seanmcm.medium.com/how-strict-have-the-covid-19-lockdown-restrictions-been-in-ireland-22c80ea06222

We've a young population but spent the most in EU per capita on covid19 and yet Finland seemed to do markedly better.

I'm not even sure if it helped old people much either. Hearing terrible stories of isolation and non covid19 deaths. It'd be a sad end to quarantine for a year and then die, the funeral number limitation is not great at all.

Wibbs · 16-06-2021 8:32am

Deleted User wrote: »

We’re an island with a young population and the longest lockdown in Europe. I’d be surprised if we were topping the death charts.

But we are topping the debt charts. But who cares about that sort of stuff anymore.

Never mind that we've one of the lowest population densities and far more people living in non communal housing too. Add all of that up and we should have had one of the lowest mortality rates in Europe.

The Czech Republic is an interesting case. They were the first to mandate masks, had extensive testing and tracking, border restrictions and a lockdown. This resulted in one of the lowest mortality rates in the West. They had deaths in the hundreds when the rest of Europe had them in the thousands. Then the restrictions started to be eased and their cases and deaths went massively up.

The more I look at the overall picture of this pox it seems to me at least that lockdowns and other public health moves do work, but that they "flatten the curve" of deaths more than massively reduce them. That inevitably until the population is vaccinated a percentage of people over 70 are going to die from it.

It is an odd pox though. Some countries/populations suffer much worse from it, it can have a delayed event in others. India an example. I'm not in the least bit surprised that there's an Indian variant or that India was hit hard by it. I am surprised that they seem to have near completely missed the first wave of it. If India had implemented a Czech Republic first time around I could understand it, but they don't have near the healthcare coverage and can barely stop their citizens defecating in the streets, so that isn't it.

16-06-2021 8:35am

mcsean2163 wrote: »

We've a young population but spent the most in EU per capita on covid19 and yet Finland seemed to do markedly better.

Finnish society is very different to irish. In Finland social distancing has always been a way of life.

AlekSmart · 16-06-2021 7:26pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Never mind that we've one of the lowest population densities and far more people living in non communal housing too. Add all of that up and we should have had one of the lowest mortality rates in Europe.

The Czech Republic is an interesting case. They were the first to mandate masks, had extensive testing and tracking, border restrictions and a lockdown. This resulted in one of the lowest mortality rates in the West. They had deaths in the hundreds when the rest of Europe had them in the thousands. Then the restrictions started to be eased and their cases and deaths went massively up.

The more I look at the overall picture of this pox it seems to me at least that lockdowns and other public health moves do work, but that they "flatten the curve" of deaths more than massively reduce them. That inevitably until the population is vaccinated a percentage of people over 70 are going to die from it.

It is an odd pox though. Some countries/populations suffer much worse from it, it can have a delayed event in others. India an example. I'm not in the least bit surprised that there's an Indian variant or that India was hit hard by it. I am surprised that they seem to have near completely missed the first wave of it. If India had implemented a Czech Republic first time around I could understand it, but they don't have near the healthcare coverage and can barely stop their citizens defecating in the streets, so that isn't it.

On-Street Defecation Indeed....India and Ourselves do have that in common recently....:rolleyes:

Mind you,the Mainstream Media appear to have lost interest in the awfullness of the Indian situation,with only the UK's experience of it now being pursued,when a bit of Fear on the streets is deemed necessary ?

Polar101 · 16-06-2021 7:36pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Finnish society is very different to irish. In Finland social distancing has always been a way of life.

They also had a fairly simple regional three-tier restriction system, and a somewhat effective quarantine system during outbreaks. It all worked reasonably well, even though bureaucracy tried to make it more complicated by fine-tuning restrictions (which lead to silly situations such as maximum crowd of 6 at football matches, and some strange pub/restaurant restrictions).

Also, no-one wants to go to Finland for holidays, so less trouble with variants.

16-06-2021 7:37pm

Polar101 wrote: »

Also, no-one wants to go to Finland for holidays, so less trouble with variants.

Except me

crooked cockney villain · 16-06-2021 10:35pm

paw patrol wrote: »

welding people into their houses in china worked too.
doesn't mean it was appropriate .

Actually, in a way, it was appropriate.

We had two choices.

Wipe the thing out, like China and Australia did, with proper travel restrictions, very heavy fines, heavy handed police

or

Live alongside it, as Sweden did.

We went for a bizarre third option- about 95% of what China and Australia did, but not the remaining 5% bit while being convinced the Swedish approach was totally wrong.

End result- far longer lockdowns than China and Australia ever endured, yet ended up with pretty much the same end results as Sweden that remained relatively open.

An absolute comedy show for which various members of government should be jailed.

crooked cockney villain · 16-06-2021 10:38pm

Kingston Mills in the Indo "after one dose of AZ 3 out of 10 people could end up in hospital if they get exposed to the Delta variant"

A figure pulled completely out of the hole. 3 in 10 likely wouldn't realise they had it never mind go to hospital.

16-06-2021 10:44pm

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

Kingston Mills in the Indo "after one dose of AZ 3 out of 10 people could end up in hospital if they get exposed to the Delta variant"

A figure pulled completely out of the hole. 3 in 10 likely wouldn't realise they had it never mind go to hospital.

Find that hard to believe

Deeper Blue · 21-06-2021 10:03pm

Quote from an ad for RTE News that came on there during the Euros:

"It's important to report the facts, not chase clicks and likes"

I have no words

TefalBrain · 21-06-2021 10:13pm

finalfurlong wrote: »

RTE surpassesd themselves last night with comment on ICU at 23 "an increase of one on yesterday "!they made no reference when saying cases were 248-which is the lowest in year to date.Beyond a joke if they feel it is okay not to see that as worth a mention

They are long past even attempting to be a proper news organisation at this stage. They are closer to a propaganda wing of the government at this stage than actual journalists. Pathetic really but that's what we are stuck with.

NIMAN · 22-06-2021 12:43am

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

Kingston Mills in the Indo "after one dose of AZ 3 out of 10 people could end up in hospital if they get exposed to the Delta variant"

A figure pulled completely out of the hole. 3 in 10 likely wouldn't realise they had it never mind go to hospital.

I honestly think these experts are afraid that they won't be needed on TV or radio soon, and we are watching the death throes of them, doing their best to keep the media hyped up, and keep the population scared, so they will be invited back on to talk about the virus.

And with RTE, I think they might just get their wish.

namloc1980 · 22-06-2021 6:03pm

Prime Time are doing Delta variant special tonight and the impact it could have on reopening. Would they ever just fook off. RTE are an absolute thundering disgrace. They're going to frighten many many people tonight with this nonsense.

MadYaker · 22-06-2021 6:09pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Prime Time are doing Delta variant special tonight and the impact it could have on reopening. Would they ever just fook off. RTE are an absolute thundering disgrace. They're going to frighten many many people tonight with this nonsense.

Is this a joke post? The program hasn’t even aired and you’re already whining about it.

namloc1980 · 22-06-2021 6:10pm

MadYaker wrote: »

Is this a joke post? The program hasn’t even aired and you’re already whining about it.

No joke. It was on the news there. Special tonight on delta and the impact on reopening. It won't be a happy clappy show I can guarantee you that. But maybe it might be??

Silentcorner · 22-06-2021 6:12pm

MadYaker wrote: »

Is this a joke post? The program hasn’t even aired and you’re already whining about it.

To be fair, you don't have to be a genius to predict the thrust of the show....

Fann Linn · 22-06-2021 6:16pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

To be fair, you don't have to be a genius to predict the thrust of the show....

Only thing missing will be this lad.

TefalBrain · 22-06-2021 6:19pm

MadYaker wrote: »

Is this a joke post? The program hasn’t even aired and you’re already whining about it.

RTÉ have trived on misery and doom since this thing started. Its not a stretch to guess they will continue that tonight.

TefalBrain · 22-06-2021 6:20pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Only thing missing will be this lad.

Joe Duffy?

Tenger · 25-06-2021 5:06pm

Irish Indo today has a scaremongering front page article warning of the imminent danger of 250K passengers a week arriving into Dublin airport.

Irish Govt isnt implementing the DCC for another 4 weeks. Dublin airport currently is at less than 15% capacity and has about 5000 passengers a day. (c. 35K a week))

Silentcorner · 25-06-2021 5:10pm

Tenger wrote: »

Irish Indo today has a scaremongering front page article warning of the imminent danger of 250K passengers a week arriving into Dublin airport.

Irish Govt isnt implementing the DCC for another 4 weeks. Dublin airport currently is at less than 15% capacity and has about 5000 passengers a day. (c. 35K a week))

They are some shower of scumbags....probably reporting the Euros from cities all over Europe and don't mention the packed stadiums, pubs, cafes.....

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 25-06-2021 5:10pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Prime Time are doing Delta variant special tonight and the impact it could have on reopening. Would they ever just fook off. RTE are an absolute thundering disgrace. They're going to frighten many many people tonight with this nonsense.

There are more members of nphet than people in ICU with covid...yet here we are a year and a half in and RTE are still persisting with the bullshìt. It's over.

crooked cockney villain · 25-06-2021 5:15pm

What riles me is the vague bits of doom that lack context and statistics. All through the last few months:

"cases have more than doubled compared to this day last week". Figures will never be quoted. I've seen it last summer meaning 8 last Tuesday, 16 this Tuesday.

"In the UK hospitalisations, infections and deaths are on the rise"

How much of a rise? How many total Indian variant cases have there been, and how many hospitalisations have there been out of that, how many deaths, how many even felt sick?

Not a word on it, not a word.

Say 300,000 people catch the Indian variant, and 700 "die". Pick and monitor 300,000 random people for 28 days in a given year and, in a 28 day period, several hundred of them will die. X hundred thousand people having Covid and X amount of them dying is not a reflection of anything .

"More than X thousand frontline medical staff have been infected" at no point in the last 15 months have I seen it stated how many frontline meical staff are employed in Ireland.

I have seen plenty of scares about bed capacity, how many are occupying beds- not a single report on how many bed spaces Ireland has, and what the average occupancy rate is per month.

We don't get given numbers in context, we get thrown words like double, rising, infections.

Silentcorner · 25-06-2021 5:25pm

I was watching The Tonight Show back at the start, the show begins with a news bulletin.

"The amount of people who have died from Covid has increased"....I thought to myself, this is going to be a circus!!!

The highly emotive negativity of that headline is geared to frighten...I always thought it odd...in a pandemic I'd have thought that politicians and media would be trying to calm people down, I was wrong.

I switched off established media from then, I never trusted them before, but now I'll assume they are just trying to frighten us all the time be it climate, brexit etc...it's worse for your health than eating fast food every day.

M_Murphy57 · 25-06-2021 5:27pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

I was watching The Tonight Show back at the start, the show begins with a news bulletin.

"The amount of people who have died from Covid has increased"....I thought to myself, this is going to be a circus!!!

The highly emotive negativity of that headline is geared to frighten...I always thought it odd...in a pandemic I'd have thought that politicians and media would be trying to calm people down, I was wrong.

I switched off established media from then, I never trusted them before, but now I'll assume they are just trying to frighten us all the time be it climate, brexit etc...it's worse for your health than eating fast food every day.

I saw one that said deaths in the UK amongst the vaccinated were "up 30%" as a result of delta. By which they meant a rise from 9 to 12 people (out of about 45 million who've had a vaccine )

Rte reported the "concerning delta plus" variant yesterday. Their concern was based on 40 cases in india where the popn is 950 million.

crooked cockney villain · 25-06-2021 5:42pm

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

I saw one that said deaths in the UK amongst the vaccinated were "up 30%" as a result of delta. By which they meant a rise from 9 to 12 people (out of about 45 million who've had a vaccine )

It's strange isn't it.

Anybody sharing a story about someone dropping dead within a week of having the vaccine is scaremongering.

Yet 12 people out of 45 million dying is meant to warn us that the vaccine may not work, when it appears it essentially works as well as it did on the Kent and Wuhan variants, and we were always told anyway that there will always be an unllucky handful of people, but a small one, who succumb to the virus and die regardless.

It is psychological warfare, but it is far from new.

I'm in my mid 30's. Off the top of my head, in my lifetime

- Chernobyl would result in Europe wide birth defects.

- Ebola. I recall this scare from the mid 90's, it had made it all the way to Italy

- BSE/ CJD would eventually kill up to a million Brits. Tragic as it was it killed in the low hundreds.

- you could probably catch AIDS off a toilet seat according to the guff being pedaled in the 80's

- post 9/11, Al Quaeda had acquired hundreds of Stinger anti aircraft missiles left behind by the Russians in Afghanistan, and had probably bought nuclear suitcases/ dirty bomb material/ bio weapons from skint Russian servicemen. This was 20 years ago- Islamists have went from James Bond level stuff like 9/11 to having to resort to knives and car ramming attacks.

- Euro 2020 is the first sports tournament in I don't know how long where there wasn't a hype about some existential threat to it. Euro 2018- ISIS would run amok. WC 2016- Brazillian street gangs would mug and murder tourists. Euro 2012- racist Polish/ Ukranian fans would hang black and gay supporters from lamposts. WC 2010 South Africa- see WC 2016 Brazil. And so on and so on and so on.

The film The Butcher Boy is a brilliant take on the paranoia and fear that gripped a small Irish town during the lead up to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Little has changed.

Silentcorner · 25-06-2021 5:48pm

You are forgetting the famous Weapons of Mass destruction....which led to a war.

They were pimping a war with North Korea not so long ago as well.

crooked cockney villain · 25-06-2021 6:11pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

You are forgetting the famous Weapons of Mass destruction....which led to a war.

They were pimping a war with North Korea not so long ago as well.

Christ how did I forget. Saddam apparently had a germ tipped rocket that could be fired at London on 30 minutes notice.

It actually struck me, seeing petrol at a whopping 1.50 a litre now, the biggest news story of 2020 prior to Covid was the attack on the Saudi oil refinery that for all the hype only put petrol up a couple of cent at the time. We were told we would be strangled for months with high prices.

We were also apparently imminently headed for WW III when Trump ha the Iranian general whacked in Baghdad.

These minor scare stories seem a lifetime ago now.

CalamariFritti · 25-06-2021 11:47pm

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

What riles me is the vague bits of doom that lack context and statistics. All through the last few months:

"cases have more than doubled compared to this day last week". Figures will never be quoted. I've seen it last summer meaning 8 last Tuesday, 16 this Tuesday.

"In the UK hospitalisations, infections and deaths are on the rise"

How much of a rise? How many total Indian variant cases have there been, and how many hospitalisations have there been out of that, how many deaths, how many even felt sick?

Not a word on it, not a word.

Say 300,000 people catch the Indian variant, and 700 "die". Pick and monitor 300,000 random people for 28 days in a given year and, in a 28 day period, several hundred of them will die. X hundred thousand people having Covid and X amount of them dying is not a reflection of anything .

"More than X thousand frontline medical staff have been infected" at no point in the last 15 months have I seen it stated how many frontline meical staff are employed in Ireland.

I have seen plenty of scares about bed capacity, how many are occupying beds- not a single report on how many bed spaces Ireland has, and what the average occupancy rate is per month.

We don't get given numbers in context, we get thrown words like double, rising, infections.

'UK hospitalisations have broken 1,000 from 4 weeks ago"

When I read that pure cynicism made me say to myself 'I bet they were probably around 900 4 weeks ago'. By coincidence I read today thats exactly what they were. But of course 'broken 1,000' ticks all the boxes. Sounds terrifying out of context to people already worked up after 14 months of this barrage of doom and also not being a lie.

Thats what they're at all the time. Find the most terrifying snippet/description that couldnt quite be accused of being a lie.

Also heard on BBC news today that most of these hospitalisations are actually kids being brought to hospital by concerned parents (which is understandable I guess) with mild symptoms when they could really just leave them in bed for a couple of days.

faceman · 01-07-2021 8:03am

More Indo scaremongering. Doesn’t even try to justify headline in the article

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/rumbles-from-eu-suggest-tighter-covid-travel-curbs-may-follow-40600511.html

Warbeastrior · 01-07-2021 8:09am

The majority of the mainstream media are an absolute disgrace.
Playing on people's fears. Despicable.

NIMAN · 01-07-2021 8:51am

It's the culture of fear, and the media love it as it sells papers or gets clicks.

They have been doing it for decades, and nothing ever changes.

RTE and their Truth Matters campaign they promote is just laughable when you see how they having been hyping COVID this last 15 months. They never want it to end. Nor do Nphet. It's keeping so many people relevant.

You always know the figures need closer attention when they use percentages, as real figures wouldn't scare. As people have mentioned, if they say "ICU numbers are up 50%" is scary, but saying numbers are up from 14 to 21 doesn't have the same effect.

crooked cockney villain · 01-07-2021 6:33pm

I've heard this statiscian guy Pete Lunn on Matt Cooper various times talking absolute bollix about the findings of the surveys he does.

Apparently we don't find life so bad, we think the government and NPHET have done a pretty good job and during the restrictions from January to April the vast majority of us were 100% abiding by every restriction.

The only one I abided by was staying home from work, because the government effectively sacked me. I stuck to the common sense ones, but not meeting friends, 5km, go and phuck yourself Tony.

Proud to say I deleted the Covid app once the majority of the elderly had received their first dose. If they thought I was taking more time off work because I was two seats away on the bus from somebody who may have received a false positive test NPHET could, again, phuck off.

TefalBrain · 01-07-2021 6:37pm

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

It's strange isn't it.

Anybody sharing a story about someone dropping dead within a week of having the vaccine is scaremongering.

Yet 12 people out of 45 million dying is meant to warn us that the vaccine may not work, when it appears it essentially works as well as it did on the Kent and Wuhan variants, and we were always told anyway that there will always be an unllucky handful of people, but a small one, who succumb to the virus and die regardless.

It is psychological warfare, but it is far from new.

I'm in my mid 30's. Off the top of my head, in my lifetime

- Chernobyl would result in Europe wide birth defects.

- Ebola. I recall this scare from the mid 90's, it had made it all the way to Italy

- BSE/ CJD would eventually kill up to a million Brits. Tragic as it was it killed in the low hundreds.

- you could probably catch AIDS off a toilet seat according to the guff being pedaled in the 80's

- post 9/11, Al Quaeda had acquired hundreds of Stinger anti aircraft missiles left behind by the Russians in Afghanistan, and had probably bought nuclear suitcases/ dirty bomb material/ bio weapons from skint Russian servicemen. This was 20 years ago- Islamists have went from James Bond level stuff like 9/11 to having to resort to knives and car ramming attacks.

- Euro 2020 is the first sports tournament in I don't know how long where there wasn't a hype about some existential threat to it. Euro 2018- ISIS would run amok. WC 2016- Brazillian street gangs would mug and murder tourists. Euro 2012- racist Polish/ Ukranian fans would hang black and gay supporters from lamposts. WC 2010 South Africa- see WC 2016 Brazil. And so on and so on and so on.

The film The Butcher Boy is a brilliant take on the paranoia and fear that gripped a small Irish town during the lead up to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Little has changed.

Don't forget Trump would cause WW3.

Make no mistake the media love to pimp end of times guff.

TefalBrain · 01-07-2021 6:39pm

faceman wrote: »

More Indo scaremongering. Doesn’t even try to justify headline in the article

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/rumbles-from-eu-suggest-tighter-covid-travel-curbs-may-follow-40600511.html

Pure scaremongering

crooked cockney villain · 01-07-2021 7:11pm

TefalBrain wrote: »

Don't forget Trump would cause WW3.

Make no mistake the media love to pimp end of times guff.

Whatever happened to the Zika virus shrunken headed babies that were going to be born in Brazil in 2014?

thebaz · 01-07-2021 7:23pm

faceman wrote: »

More Indo scaremongering. Doesn’t even try to justify headline in the article

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/rumbles-from-eu-suggest-tighter-covid-travel-curbs-may-follow-40600511.html

Irrationally terrifying an already terrified readership - The Indo once was a rational newspaper.

agoodpunt · 02-07-2021 6:41am

Irish news paper heads are worse today compared to UK where covid bearly gets a mention

Ash.J.Williams · 05-07-2021 9:31pm

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

I've heard this statiscian guy Pete Lunn on Matt Cooper various times talking absolute bollix about the findings of the surveys he does.

Apparently we don't find life so bad, we think the government and NPHET have done a pretty good job and during the restrictions from January to April the vast majority of us were 100% abiding by every restriction.

The only one I abided by was staying home from work, because the government effectively sacked me. I stuck to the common sense ones, but not meeting friends, 5km, go and phuck yourself Tony.

Proud to say I deleted the Covid app once the majority of the elderly had received their first dose. If they thought I was taking more time off work because I was two seats away on the bus from somebody who may have received a false positive test NPHET could, again, phuck off.

Yeah I completely ignored the 5k, I used common sense and could see assholes spreading Covid and other assholes following guidelines to the letter

agoodpunt · 06-07-2021 10:13am

RTE 10am daily scaremongering led by CB

rob316 · 06-07-2021 10:17am

https://twitter.com/IrishTimesWorld/...297819655?s=20

Look at this rubbish headline. If you actually read the article then you'll learn the following.

-tested 40 hours before the event
- tests weren't supervised so were naturally tampered with and certs were screenshot and shared around
- certs were given out straight after vaccination as opposed to the recommended 2 weeks

This is the sort of crap that NPHET will use as an example against the use of anti gen testing and the "dangers" still there after vaccination.

The headline should be "Dutch nightclub ****s up test event"

KaneToad · 06-07-2021 10:26am

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

I've heard this statiscian guy Pete Lunn on Matt Cooper various times talking absolute bollix about the findings of the surveys he does.

This "guy" is a research professor in the ESRI:

"Pete Lunn is the founder and head of the ESRI’s Behavioural Research Unit. A behavioural economist, he holds degrees in Philosophy & Psychology, Neuroscience and Economics. Pete’s primary research interest is economic decision-making and, in particular, how people negotiate trade-offs."

The surveys he conducts are scientific and produce results with quantifiable margins of error. They involve appropriate sample sizes.

You might not agree with the opinions of the majority in the population he samples...but that does not mean his findings are "bollix".

What research have you conducted to contradict his/ESRI's findings?

crooked cockney villain · 06-07-2021 10:30am

KaneToad wrote: »

This "guy" is a research professor in the ESRI:

"Pete Lunn is the founder and head of the ESRI’s Behavioural Research Unit. A behavioural economist, he holds degrees in Philosophy & Psychology, Neuroscience and Economics. Pete’s primary research interest is economic decision-making and, in particular, how people negotiate trade-offs."

The surveys he conducts are scientific and produce results with quantifiable margins of error. They involve appropriate sample sizes.

You might not agree with the opinions of the majority in the population he samples...but that does not mean his findings are "bollix".

What research have you conducted to contradict his/ESRI's findings?

What research? His surveys give results that would be similar to surveys on Kim's popularity conducted in Pyongyang.

Imagine actually believing that a majority of people have coped well and think the government did the best they could.

crooked cockney villain · 06-07-2021 10:31am

rob316 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/IrishTimesWorld/...297819655?s=20

Look at this rubbish headline. If you actually read the article then you'll learn the following.

-tested 40 hours before the event
- tests weren't supervised so were naturally tampered with and certs were screenshot and shared around
- certs were given out straight after vaccination as opposed to the recommended 2 weeks

This is the sort of crap that NPHET will use as an example against the use of anti gen testing and the "dangers" still there after vaccination.

The headline should be "Dutch nightclub ****s up test event"

Don't suppose we will have a report on how many deaths in the wider community resulted from this event.

Zero isn't an exciting clickbait number after all.

KaneToad · 06-07-2021 10:56am

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

What research? His surveys give results that would be similar to surveys on Kim's popularity conducted in Pyongyang.

Imagine actually believing that a majority of people have coped well and think the government did the best they could.

Do you understand how surveys work?

A representative sample of the population is asked a set of questions. The answers to these questions are collated and, with a margin of error, are used to extrapolate the opinion of a population.

Are you questioning the ESRIs methodologies? If so, what specifically are they doing incorrectly?

Your North Korea quips are amusing but don't add anything to the debate.

The Irish media hysteria

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