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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #7892
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Hurrache wrote: »
    FFS, because it's news.

    Why are you even reading it if it gets you aggravated?

    They have stories for all sorts of stuff I've no interest in. I, and presumably most normal people, don't read them. You'd have to be a bit soft to complain about stories you've no interest in, or don't want to know about.

    3 people getting covid in a different country is now worthy of front page news in Ireland? You're fooling nobody buddy, except yourself of course.

    Imagine thinking 3 people in a different part of the world getting this is worthy of front page news :D:pac::D


  • #7893
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Pods are there only in name at this stage, their actual implementation is all but gone.

    There was a poster on just a while ago going about pods in schools until January because kids might catch a new variant abroad etc.

    Conspiracy theory stuff.


  • #7894
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Yeah, familiarity with schools. Do your kids stay apart from those not in their immediate pod at break time, yard time, start and end time, P.E., sports day? I very much doubt it.

    Yeah the school is implementing the DoE guidance. Segregated yard times etc. If you know of schools breaching rules you should report them.


  • #7895
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    It's a common theme here...

    Those currently unaffected by the restrictions are in full agreement with them and praise Tony's handling of it and agree with everything he and the Government say and do.

    Meanwhile, those who are affected by the restrictions, be it mentally, financially or occupational wise, don't agree with them and are being dismissed by those who do agree with NPHET and The Government with satirical, belittling, patronising posts, stating that it's not the media or Tony or Government but, those in question themselves creating hysteria in their minds...

    It's certainly a case of, "well I'm alright Jack, so tough **** if you're not haha" which certainly flies in the face of a lot of the faux "all in this together" and "you're so selfish stay at home and safe lives" one liners that have been spewed through out these threads since the beginning.

    But, hey...I look forward to seeing you all in the aftermath thread of this when your wages are slashed and you have to pay for all of this :)


  • #7896
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,371 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    3 people getting covid in a different country is now worthy of front page news in Ireland? You're fooling nobody buddy, except yourself of course.

    Imagine thinking 3 people in a different part of the world getting this is worthy of front page news :D:pac::D

    You do get quite aggravated alright.


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  • #7897
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,761 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    3 people getting covid in a different country is now worthy of front page news in Ireland? You're fooling nobody buddy, except yourself of course.

    Imagine thinking 3 people getting this is worthy of front page news :D:pac::D

    It's like the figures of COVID infection in Ireland (or any country for that matter) daily rates don't paint a very clear picture, you need figures like 5-day averages and 7 or 14 day incidence rates

    3 people getting it from a crowd of 30k isn't massively important but when the euros end we will get a good measure of how much it has spread in the host cities and that's the figures I'd like to see when the time comes


  • #7898
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,371 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    zackory wrote: »
    There was a poster on just a while ago going about pods in schools until January because kids might catch a new variant abroad etc.

    Conspiracy theory stuff.

    Nothing conspiracy about it when it's there in protocols and guidelines, and it's understandable as to why it's there. But like a lot of things, the implementation has certainly slid.


  • #7899
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    There is a lot of people in my life, who are financially unaffected, who are just as annoyed as the rest....young kids are effected, the elderly are effected....16 months in to this and I think the social isolation is doing more damage than the virus...

    We can see that in other parts of the world that haven't taken the same path.


  • #7900
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,761 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    MOR316 wrote: »
    It's a common theme here...

    Those currently unaffected by the restrictions are in full agreement with them and praise Tony's handling of it and agree with everything he and the Government say and do.

    Meanwhile, those who are affected by the restrictions, be it mentally, financially or occupational wise, don't agree with them and are being dismissed by those who do agree with NPHET and The Government with satirical, belittling, patronising posts, stating that it's not the media or Tony or Government but, those in question themselves creating hysteria in their minds...

    It's certainly a case of, "well I'm alright Jack, so tough **** if you're not haha" which certainly flies in the face of a lot of the faux "all in this together" and "you're so selfish stay at home and safe lives" one liners that have been spewed through out these threads since the beginning.

    But, hey...I look forward to seeing you all in the aftermath thread of this when your wages are slashed and you have to pay for all of this :)

    Don't forget the relatives of the nearly 5,000 people who have lost loved ones to this virus, I'd say they agree with measures regardless of whether it affects them or not
    Silentcorner wrote: »
    There is a lot of people in my life, who are financially unaffected, who are just as annoyed as the rest....young kids are effected, the elderly are effected....16 months in to this and I think the social isolation is doing more damage than the virus...

    We can see that in other parts of the world that haven't taken the same path.

    We also see crazy death rates and concerning variants in these parts of the world


  • #7901
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,371 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    MOR316 wrote: »
    It's a common theme here...

    Those currently unaffected by the restrictions are in full agreement with them and praise Tony's handling of it and agree with everything he and the Government say and do.

    Meanwhile, those who are affected by the restrictions, be it mentally, financially or occupational wise, don't agree with them and are being dismissed by those who do agree with NPHET and The Government with satirical, belittling, patronising posts, stating that it's not the media or Tony or Government but, those in question themselves creating hysteria in their minds...

    It's certainly a case of, "well I'm alright Jack, so tough **** if you're not haha" which certainly flies in the face of a lot of the faux "all in this together" and "you're so selfish stay at home and safe lives" one liners that have been spewed through out these threads since the beginning.

    And an even worse take is the assumption is that the latter are all fine and dandy with restrictions, and that absolutely dumb idiotic idea that they're happy to see them remain in place, or further restrictions come in.

    But, hey...I look forward to seeing you all in the aftermath thread of this when your wages are slashed and you have to pay for all of this :)

    It's a poor take on recent pages. The people getting worked up about it are working themselves up about it, obsessed as to what the media is reporting, despite complaining about what they're reporting and continuously posting links and commenting on said stories.

    Those who aren't bothered by what's in the media, it's not because, as you claim, "we're alright Jack". It's that we aren't obsessed with the media and get strung up about what they write, and why.


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  • #7902
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Red Silurian wrote: »
    Don't forget the relatives of the nearly 5,000 people who have lost loved ones to this virus, I'd say they agree with measures regardless of whether it affects them or not

    What have they got to do with my post about Boards.ie and this thread?

    Are the 5000 people posting in this thread that I was specifically talking about?


  • #7903
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Hurrache wrote: »
    You do get quite aggravated alright.

    This story of 3 people getting Covid in Denmark is more prominent on the RTE website than on the Danish state broadcasters website. But yeah, no hype.....good man.


  • #7904
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Hurrache wrote: »
    It's a poor take on recent pages. The people getting worked up about it are working themselves up about it, obsessed as to what the media is reporting, despite complaining about what they're reporting and continuously posting links and commenting on said stories.

    Those who aren't bothered by what's in the media, it's not because, as you claim, "we're alright Jack". It's that we aren't obsessed with the media and get strung up about what they write, and why.

    You seem to be the one getting worked up about it, on here all day, constantly mentioning worked up, strung up, aggravated etc.


  • #7905
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Hurrache wrote: »
    It's a poor take on recent pages. The people getting worked up about it are working themselves up about it, obsessed as to what the media is reporting, despite complaining about what they're reporting and continuously posting links and commenting on said stories.

    Those who aren't bothered by what's in the media, it's not because, as you claim, "we're alright Jack". It's that we aren't obsessed with the media and get strung up about what they write, and why.

    That's the interactions you were involved with.


  • #7906
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,371 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    This story of 3 people getting Covid in Denmark is more prominent on the RTE website than on the Danish state broadcasters website. But yeah, no hype.....good man.

    The only people hyping it are those who are obsessed about it and continuously go on about it.

    And your attempt at condescension at the end of each of your posts is equally as bemusing.


  • #7907
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,371 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    zackory wrote: »
    You seem to be the one getting worked up about it, on here all day, constantly mentioning worked up, strung up, aggravated etc.

    Step back, look in the mirror. I'm amused.

    Imagine how much more relaxed people would be if they stayed off news media websites, or simply ignored stories they don't want to see, instead of clicking into it and then furiously complaining about those stories?


  • #7908
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Hurrache wrote: »
    The only people hyping it are those who are obsessed about it and continuously go on about it.

    And your attempt at condescension at the end of each of your posts is equally as bemusing.

    FFS. Why are RTE reporting this so prominently when the country where it happened aren't even doing that? Why? RTE are hyping it up. It's a nothing story in an Irish context yet RTE think it's worthy of headline news where even the Danish broadcaster doesn't.


  • #7909
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Red Silurian wrote: »
    I'd more define lockdown to be a state of isolation or restricted access instituted as a security measure rather than a restriction policy

    As for as fot the part in your description about depriving people of free movement and interaction with others you've effectively defined country borders, prisons, airport secure zones and pub smoking areas amongst many other things so it's a bit of a wide ranging description

    Also your definition is designed to stoke fear in people, no better than some of the news companies out there

    You can call it whatever you want so that it sits well with you. A first link on google search might not give you a complete picture btw.

    The bottom line is that it is enforced and aimed to isolate.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #7910
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    MOR316 wrote: »
    It's a common theme here...

    Those currently unaffected by the restrictions are in full agreement with them and praise Tony's handling of it and agree with everything he and the Government say and do.

    Meanwhile, those who are affected by the restrictions, be it mentally, financially or occupational wise, don't agree with them and are being dismissed by those who do agree with NPHET and The Government with satirical, belittling, patronising posts, stating that it's not the media or Tony or Government but, those in question themselves creating hysteria in their minds...

    It's certainly a case of, "well I'm alright Jack, so tough **** if you're not haha" which certainly flies in the face of a lot of the faux "all in this together" and "you're so selfish stay at home and safe lives" one liners that have been spewed through out these threads since the beginning.

    But, hey...I look forward to seeing you all in the aftermath thread of this when your wages are slashed and you have to pay for all of this :)

    I think both sides of the debate were at that. On here we had the terms like nervous nellies, lockdown merchants, curtain twitchers and the one I really loved, socially inept hermits, being used to describe anyone in favour of the government.

    But do you really think there has been anyone unaffected by restrictions ?
    Ultimately everyone is an I'm alright Jack. Someone doesn't care who loses their job as long as he's safe Vs someone who doesn't care how many people get sick as long as he has a job. Same thing really.


  • #7911
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Tell that to the people working in/owning those businesses who are affected by it.

    "Lockdown" is not just a Level 5 movement restriction. It refers to the wider measures that are significantly hampering/preventing trade or interactions as a whole.
    It's fun that "Lockdown" can be whatever you want it to be depending on whatever doomongering you're trying to do.

    "a lockdown isn't off the cards after all" - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114847084

    "slide us back into lockdowns and level 5s in the coming months." - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117223169&postcount=2469

    Somehow in your above posts you talk about going "back into lockdown", despite the fact that at both times restrictions were much more severe than they are now.

    But now, because it suits your agenda, lockdown is apparently a state of mind more than an actual, definable thing. Handy that.


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  • #7912
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,817 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    MOR316 wrote: »
    It's a common theme here...

    Those currently unaffected by the restrictions are in full agreement with them and praise Tony's handling of it and agree with everything he and the Government say and do.

    Meanwhile, those who are affected by the restrictions, be it mentally, financially or occupational wise, don't agree with them and are being dismissed by those who do agree with NPHET and The Government with satirical, belittling, patronising posts, stating that it's not the media or Tony or Government but, those in question themselves creating hysteria in their minds...

    It's certainly a case of, "well I'm alright Jack, so tough **** if you're not haha" which certainly flies in the face of a lot of the faux "all in this together" and "you're so selfish stay at home and safe lives" one liners that have been spewed through out these threads since the beginning.

    But, hey...I look forward to seeing you all in the aftermath thread of this when your wages are slashed and you have to pay for all of this :)

    I'd imagine we'll see a lot of closed accounts with some 'new' posters appearing out of the woodwork bitterly complaining about their taxes being raised and services being cut.


  • #7913
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    growleaves wrote: »
    It was spontaneously borrowed from prison slang to describe a new state of affairs, its not some piece of medical jargon so odd to see people getting so precious over the term.

    As some Indian politician said, "Lockdowns are entirely the creation of Xi Jingping."

    They may have said it. They were wrong however
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-32083363


  • #7914
    Bit cynical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    seamus wrote: »
    It's fun that "Lockdown" can be whatever you want it to be depending on whatever doomongering you're trying to do.

    "a lockdown isn't off the cards after all" - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114847084

    "slide us back into lockdowns and level 5s in the coming months." - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117223169&postcount=2469

    Somehow in your above posts you talk about going "back into lockdown", despite the fact that at both times restrictions were much more severe than they are now.

    But now, because it suits your agenda, lockdown is apparently a state of mind more than an actual, definable thing. Handy that.
    On the other hand, we've also had people claim that we were not in a lockdown even in the depths of level 5.


  • #7915
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    growleaves wrote: »
    What increased socialistion? Those crowds are no bigger now than they were months ago. Before that there were house parties. I'd imagine a fair few in the party scene have immunity by now.

    Outdoor transmissions appears to be practically nil. 'Social distancing' is only theoretical and unenforceable, its wholly voluntary.

    So there's been no increase in socialisation at all since let's say March or April no? Interesting. People on this thread have overwhelmingly been saying the opposite imho.

    And nope the crowds don't had to be "don't have to "bigger now than they were months ago" to maintain a constant high level of background infections.

    Normal Social distancing was never meant to be "enforceable" - it was what people are asked to do so that we can keep down rates of infections whilst we roll out the vaccination programme. As pointed out we're going nowhere whilst countries such as the US have us effective blacklisted as having "a high level of COVID-19 in the country"

    But sure who cares ...


  • #7916
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,817 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0624/1231029-policing-authority/

    Hundreds of emergency calls to the Guards cancelled but we're able to get them to spend months standing on the side of the road and at the airport questioning citizens going about their business.


    Remember folks - only Covid counts.


  • #7917
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Russman wrote: »
    I think both sides of the debate were at that. On here we had the terms like nervous nellies, lockdown merchants, curtain twitchers and the one I really loved, socially inept hermits, being used to describe anyone in favour of the government.

    But do you really think there has been anyone unaffected by restrictions ?
    Ultimately everyone is an I'm alright Jack. Someone doesn't care who loses their job as long as he's safe Vs someone who doesn't care how many people get sick as long as he has a job. Same thing really.

    It isn't the same though because the restrictions are theoretical, there's still no proof that they save lives. There's a hyper-precautionary principle at work that since they might prevent deaths then anything is worth it to stay safe or something like that.

    That is hypothetical protection from theoretically modelled modes of transmission.

    We are literally putting things of doubtful or unverifable reality on a par with things that are definitely real.

    In fact we downgrade the real more and more in favour of what seems to be little more than bad dreams (like imagining with no evidence or proof whatsoever that Delta variant might be especially harmful to children.)

    Meanwhile lockdowns frustrate and even destroy lives and businesses (even as others benefit from no-commute and better working conditions at home).

    Also when you hear one poster talking about placing children in isolation pods and saying it does no harm (b*llsht) how do you not feel sick? Lots of bad things are being presented as good or neutral, which is only made possible though dishonesty.


  • #7918
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,206 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0624/1231029-policing-authority/

    Hundreds of emergency calls to the Guards cancelled but we're able to get them to spend months standing on the side of the road and at the airport questioning citizens going about their business.


    Remember folks - only Covid counts.

    All in this together


  • #7919
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0624/1231029-policing-authority/

    Hundreds of emergency calls to the Guards cancelled but we're able to get them to spend months standing on the side of the road and at the airport questioning citizens going about their business.


    Remember folks - only Covid counts.

    Issue was there prior to covid


  • #7920
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Are the government actually going for covid elimination at this stage ?

    I wish they'd tell us if they are

    Seems like the only explanation now


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  • #7921
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    https://www.thejournal.ie/hungary-eu-lgbt-5476047-Jun2021/

    Imagine having the neck to call out Hungary re rights, when this Country is currently engaged in a propaganda drive to deny EU citizens the right to free movement under the EU Digital Covid Cert and prevent businesses the right to reopen and trade.


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