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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #7832
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,371 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    gazzer wrote: »
    Crowds of people huddled together on the likes of Capel and Parliament St last week and the week before (I was one of them) and no jump in cases.

    I know it's harder to catch Covid outdoors but there was absolutely no social distancing yet Nephet want to delay indoor dining and drinking even though all safety conditions will be met. It's absolutely disgusting. They really take us for idiots

    It's bizarre how people fail to understand the differences between indoors and outdoors when it comes to the spread of viruses of any type.

    Maybe it should be the DoE that the torches and pitchforks should be prepared for.


  • #7833
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    He's not whining, he made a very reasoned post about why the variants are a concern, which was followed by accusations of scaremongering, and something to the effect of:


    "Durh, you wAnt loCkdOwns foReVer, restriCtions inDefiNaTely ban tRavEl "



    You're wasted in here Seamus, arguing with lampposts.

    Did you go through that in your head....

    There will be more variants of concern, there will always be variants...they are being used to pump us full of fear, as we are currently witnessing and have witnessed since last November....

    It is a reasonable position to take that there will be variants of concern all year, so you'd have to ask when does this lock down end...when can we go back to normal....because if we ain't anywhere near normal now in the middle of the summer with hospitalizations on the floor...we sure won't be come Winter.


  • #7834
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Perhaps you didnt get the memo - lockdown implies *any* change to normality.

    Ah...no.

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  • #7835
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,802 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Its a partial factor, but not the largest... The largest is the populist and spineless nature of Irish politics... Its a very backward country still

    Mod

    You are still threadbanned.

    Week off.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=116989504#post116989504


  • #7836
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    jusvi2001 wrote: »
    Hope the M.martin and team is not going to keep Ireland in lock down.

    Oh, another one. How can you keep people in lockdown when they aren't currently locked down?

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  • #7837
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Its the anti-restriction folks that are trapped in hysteria. You couldnt make it up.

    It's true though. The people clamouring for the place to open up are the same people that think the next stage will be delayed. The exact same thing happened in June. "Oh no, Tony's back, the next stage will be delayed, mark my words!" ...We stayed on schedule.

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  • #7838
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Oh, another one. How can you keep people in lockdown when they aren't currently locked down?

    Tell that to the people working in/owning those businesses who are affected by it.

    "Lockdown" is not just a Level 5 movement restriction. It refers to the wider measures that are significantly hampering/preventing trade or interactions as a whole.


  • #7839
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Penfailed wrote: »
    It's true though. The people clamouring for the place to open up are the same people that think the next stage will be delayed. The exact same thing happened in June. "Oh no, Tony's back, the next stage will be delayed, mark my words!" ...We stayed on schedule.


    The mood music this time around from Martin, Varadkar, NPHET, etc is definitely that the easing of restrictions is in doubt. Maybe the easing will go ahead but people aren't coming up with that idea by themselves.


  • #7840
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Tell that to the people working in/owning those businesses who are affected by it.

    "Lockdown" is not just a Level 5 movement restriction. It refers to the wider measures that are significantly hampering/preventing trade or interactions as a whole.

    Where are you getting your definition from?

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  • #7841
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    If the government do decide to postpone reopening again, IMO they have a moral obligation at this point to cover the cost of wasted food and drink stock which already-stretched pubs and restaurants will have shelled out for only to potentially have to dump all or most of it. This IMO is the kind of thing a lot of people don't consider when it comes to the flip-flopping around re-opening- one would assume, for instance, that your average large indoor-only pub will have ordered a significant number of kegs, mixers, snacks, and food at this point, to get ready for re-opening in just over a week and a half. If the government were to drop the bombshell now that this would be delayed again, at least some proportion of this would presumably go to waste.

    I realise that we have various grants, subsidies, welfare etc to cover pandemic related issues, but IMO this needs to be more specific and tailored in a case like this - in other words, a guarantee to businesses that whatever they've spent on gearing up to re-open which will not hold over until the future, postponed date, will be refunded to them so that they can try again next time around.

    Given the ongoing drama over FBD and other insurers, it seems insane to expect insurance to cover this and if they do, premiums will surely go through the roof once this is all over. I'm not saying I'd blame the government for imposing a delay in the event that this new variant turns out to be the monster they're saying it might be, but I do think that if they're the ones who gave the go ahead to businesses that they should gear up for re-opening, only to snatch it away days beforehand (again, not their fault, but their decision) then it really should be they who ensure that businesses and individuals operating under the best guidance available to them at the time don't get financially f*cked as a result.


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  • #7842
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    The mood music this time around from Martin, Varadkar, NPHET, etc is definitely that the easing of restrictions is in doubt. Maybe the easing will go ahead but people aren't coming up with that idea by themselves.

    They came up with the idea by themselves the last time...

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  • #7843
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Where are you getting your definition from?

    My definition would be, as long as any part of the economy is being prevented from trading due to public health restrictions related to COVID. It's not a lockdown in the wider public sense of the term, but for anyone running a nightclub, concert venue, small pub etc for which social distancing means either indefinite closure or vastly reduced allowable customer footfall, it very much still counts as a lockdown for them and their staff.


  • #7844
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Hurrache wrote: »
    It's bizarre how people fail to understand the differences between indoors and outdoors when it comes to the spread of viruses of any type.

    Tony Holohan comes to mind when he threw his toys out of the pram.


  • #7845
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,761 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    The mood music this time around from Martin, Varadkar, NPHET, etc is definitely that the easing of restrictions is in doubt. Maybe the easing will go ahead but people aren't coming up with that idea by themselves.

    I'm old enough to remember the easing of restrictions plan we had last year, if my memory still serves me right August 10th was the initial date for pubs reopening and that was initially moved ahead to July 20th

    This date subsequently got pushed back numerous times to mid-September (except in Dublin) and the reason behind this was to ensure we didn't have to go back and introduce further restrictions

    It didn't work last year and it won't work this year


  • #7846
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    My definition would be, as long as any part of the economy is being prevented from trading due to public health restrictions related to COVID. It's not a lockdown in the wider public sense of the term, but for anyone running a nightclub, concert venue, small pub etc for which social distancing means either indefinite closure or vastly reduced allowable customer footfall, it very much still counts as a lockdown for them and their staff.

    You would be wrong then. You can't just make up a definition for a word. That's not how it works.

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  • #7847
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Oh, another one. How can you keep people in lockdown when they aren't currently locked down?

    Do you have the official press release from government where they announced the end of lockdown on April 12th as somebody else was claiming here just yesterday.


  • #7848
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    The mood music this time around from Martin, Varadkar, NPHET, etc is definitely that the easing of restrictions is in doubt. Maybe the easing will go ahead but people aren't coming up with that idea by themselves.


    This is the thing.

    Its been all over the media for the last couple of days yet people on here claim its only people here talking about it!!

    I believe like you that the easing will go ahead but the fact is the fact that theres doubt isnt something just being cooked up on this thread as some are claiming.


  • #7849
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    zackory wrote: »
    Do you have the official press release from government where they announced the end of lockdown on April 12th as somebody else was claiming here just yesterday.

    Why don't you ask the person that posted it? They also provided a link. Did you click on it?

    Anyway, why would the government issue such a press release. Their objective is to keep the population safe. Telling them that the lockdown is over would be putting out the message that the pandemic is over and restrictions aren't required anymore. That wouldn't be the most sensible move.

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  • #7850
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    seamus wrote: »

    This will provide more than enough leeway for social distancing and pods to be dropped come January, .

    But by then the rest of Europe will be back in lockdown because they didn't bother with pods in September and your new super variants will have infiltrated us widely and it will be too late.


  • #7851
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Why don't you ask the person that posted it? They also provided a link. Did you click on it?

    Anyway, we would the government issue such a press release. Their objective is to keep the population safe. Telling them that the lockdown is over would be putting out the message that the pandemic is over and restrictions aren't required anymore. That wouldn't be the most sensible move.

    I am asking you because you are just after saying we are not currently in lockdown.

    Do you have the government press release telling us lockdown is over?


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  • #7852
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Why don't you ask the person that posted it? They also provided a link. Did you click on it?

    Anyway, we would the government issue such a press release. Their objective is to keep the population safe. Telling them that the lockdown is over would be putting out the message that the pandemic is over and restrictions aren't required anymore. That wouldn't be the most sensible move.

    So you're trying to argue that lockdown is over while we still have restrictions yet in this post you say if government said lockdown was over the public would assume that they meant restrictions are over. You're arguing with yourself opposing points.


  • #7853
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Klonker wrote: »
    So you're trying to argue that lockdown is over while we still have restrictions yet in this post you say if government said lockdown was over the public would assume that they meant restrictions are over. You're arguing with yourself opposing points.

    I'm not though. There's a difference between a lockdown and having restrictions in place. It's tiresome having to repeat this.

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  • #7854
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    seamus wrote: »
    Considering that no children will be vaccinated by that point, it seems like a sensible move to call out that these measures may be continuing next year in case some people expect everything to be back to normal in two months' time.

    The imposition of pods, distancing and masks in school has had very little impact on kids.

    I would strongly disagree that it has had very little impact on kids. Extra curricular stuff is gone by the wayside. Segregation in the yards, teachers going around wearing masks all day. This impacts kids. It's very flippant to say it's very little. I can see in my kids the impact it has had.

    Also why is it a sensible move anyway? How many kids have got seriously ill from this virus versus the flu or any other infectious disease that we don't change the entire way schools work.

    Kids may not be vaccinated at all, so this is here forever for them in that case. Very "sensible"


  • #7855
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    zackory wrote: »
    Do you have the government press release telling us lockdown is over?

    No. To the best of my knowledge, they haven't released one. I've given my reasons as to why I think that is the case in the post you quoted.

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  • #7856
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Penfailed wrote: »
    I'm not though. There's a difference between a lockdown and having restrictions in place. It's tiresome having to repeat this.

    Just tell us when government announced end of the lockdown please.


  • #7857
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Penfailed wrote: »
    I'm not though. There's a difference between a lockdown and having restrictions in place. It's tiresome having to repeat this.
    Penfailed wrote: »

    Telling them that the lockdown is over would be putting out the message that the pandemic is over and restrictions aren't required anymore.

    Your words, not mine :confused:


  • #7858
    zackory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Penfailed wrote: »
    No. To the best of my knowledge, they haven't released one. I've given my reasons as to why I think that is the case in the post you quoted.

    So who decided lockdown ended and on what date was it announced?


  • #7859
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    zackory wrote: »
    Just tell us when government announced end of the lockdown please.

    It was when they removed the intercounty travel restriction. Did you miss that memo?

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  • #7860
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    It was only a few days ago our Finance Ministers provided an extremely bleak update on what the future holds.

    It seems to have gone unnoticed

    Yet here we are


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  • #7861
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Klonker wrote: »
    Your words, not mine :confused:

    I don't see where the confusion is.

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