Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

kieran26 · 23-06-2021 09:08AM

Denny61 wrote: »

Isn't it better to delay the reopening by another two weeks rather than open the gates .let everyone out and bingo we have big surges in the virus'then its all back to square one . lockdown downtown for months and months.wake up fools.plus I don't get this .. people mad for foreign travel.can those people not stay here in ireland.and support our own economy..no they much rather go over to foreign shores .. bring back the the virus and leave our economy in crisis..fools again..

What about the people who live in Ireland who are not from Ireland who might want to go and visit their families? Its not just sun holidays people go on.

There is no reason why fully vaccinated people cannot travel to countries with similar vaccine level from the 19th July. It should be allowed now,
The vaccines work Against all known variants.

Hurrache · 23-06-2021 09:11AM

giveitholly wrote: »

It's called Delta Plus and RTE didn't make it up

Yes, I know. But that doesn't stop some clowns blaming the media.

They really are fearful of seeing the reality of the virus, that's their real problem. They can't handle it mentally and process it logically and compartmentalise it into a box labelled "yes, there's issues, but we can deal and manage with it", so cry about every story in the media, even if it's directly from health organisations.

zackory · 23-06-2021 09:17AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Yes, I know. But that doesn't stop some clowns blaming the media.

They really are fearful of seeing the reality of the virus, that's their real problem. They can't handle it mentally and process it logically and compartmentalise it into a box labelled "yes, there's issues, but we can deal and manage with it", so cry about every story in the media, even if it's directly from health organisations.

The only one crying is you.

corcaigh07 · 23-06-2021 09:21AM

shockframe wrote: »

If they don't ease restrictions then there's no way back for Fianna Fail.

It's a FF/FG/Greens government, don't forget that.

Jinglejangle69 · 23-06-2021 09:21AM

Ah here we go on LMFM.

The Vietnam variant and some variants could evade the vaccine.

23-06-2021 09:22AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You assumed all those things? Really...or are you just being typically infantile and taking points I made in a pathetic attempt to distract from your inability to see the Irish data for what it is....

I remember you from last year prattling on about the massive excess death we suffered from in 2020? Which never materialised....you have consistently supported whatever ridiculous Nphet Restrictions were imposed on us, you've never once admitted to being wrong!!!!

Ignoring Irish data is nonsensical, what do we think has changed in the last year?

If you are really bored you can search for the posts. There are all there.
Well, maybe except the ones prattling on about the massive excess deaths rates in 2020.

And the Irish data has not been ignored by anyone but yourself.
- March 2020 - Surge Begins - lockdown initiated - cases fall
- June 2020 - large portion of restrictions removed. A slow rise starts and stays at the rate of increase until
- Oct 2020 (not flu season) - Restrictions reintroduced after exponential growth does what exponential growth does, turns a slow rise into a large umber of cases
- Start of December 2020 - restrictions lifted for a meaningful Christmas, which very few if anyone begrudged, but being at a daily rate of hundreds of cases, rather than 20 as in June. Exponential function takes over once more
- End of December - Oh **** moment and reintroduction of restrictions. Less effective than before however for 3 reasons - Less actual restrictions than March 2020, Lower adherence to restrictions, and a more transmissible variant. But still got things under control
Start of March to Today - Gradual unpicking of restrictions starting with the highest priorities. Reduction goes to very slow decline helped by the vaccine rollout.

Data does not say anything like what you want it to no matter how many times you say it does.

And on top of this there is loads of data from the part of the world that has the exact same flu season that directly contradicts your assertion

23-06-2021 09:24AM

benny79 wrote: »

See now there saying they have discovered another variant in India and are calling it the Delta 2! Seriously enough is enough its beyond a joke at this stage! ffs ...lol...

Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. Acknowledging it does exist does not mean we have to enter another lockdown or live in fear

Sweet.Science · 23-06-2021 09:26AM

This is hilarious

Can't blame the conspiracy theorists at this stage

Leftwaffe · 23-06-2021 09:26AM

I hate this country. If I was younger and didn’t have family I’d be gone. Genuinely.

Where is the fight back to all this ****e?

Just gonna stay away from the news now it’s wrecking my head.

Edit: Also, what’s the point of getting the vaccine now? I haven’t got it yet but seriously what’s the point? I’m young enough that this virus would be no harm to me and anyone i care about that’s potentially in danger is vaccinated.

I’m pro vaccine btw but I’m starting to wonder what’s the point.

23-06-2021 09:27AM

JRant wrote: »

Why only 2 weeks? I mean, D'Variant, it's sooo dangerous that every other country in Europe with similar levels of vaccinations is locking down again. Oh, that's right, they aren't and are actually letting their citizens get back to normality.

The reason many look for foreign holidays is because it is so expensive here to bring a family away.

Its never 2 weeks though, is it? Its the manipulative argument they've been making for 4 months.

Just wait another two weeks. Can you not go two more weeks without your haircut/pint/shop/leaving the county? Have you no patience? You'll be saving lives.

But we know it won't be two weeks. And what they fail to mention every single time is that a delay to one phase, immediately adds at least the same delay onto the proceeding phase of reopening.

Its pure manipulation by people who clearly have nothing to lose with further restrictions. Conservatism to the end, covid is the only thing that matters.

normanoffside · 23-06-2021 09:28AM

Klonker wrote: »

This part in the article jumped out to me. Don't know what they're basing his predictions on to call them accurate.

'Nphet epidemiological expert Dr Philip Nolan has been modelling the virus throughout the last 16 months, with predictions showing a very high level of accuracy.'

:pac::pac:

normanoffside · 23-06-2021 09:34AM

Klonker wrote: »

This part in the article jumped out to me. Don't know what they're basing his predictions on to call them accurate.

'Nphet epidemiological expert Dr Philip Nolan has been modelling the virus throughout the last 16 months, with predictions showing a very high level of accuracy.'

A reminder of how accurate Nolan’s models are.
Bear in mind this is not counting on the Delta Variant and does count in the vaccine.

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1377275983535951875?s=21

Hurrache · 23-06-2021 09:34AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Where is the fight back to all this ****e?

Vaccination centres, have you not read?

Where would you go, the UK, where you'd threaten to leave, seriously, because Freedom Day got postponed?

23-06-2021 09:37AM

If the further reopening of society doesn’t come to fruition on July 5th, then stand by for a raft of legal challenges from angry vintners and restaurant owners.

The big question is whether the govt have the stomach to fight such challenges in the courts using taxpayers money that will lead to huge public backlash I can imagine.

pjohnson · 23-06-2021 09:37AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Vaccination centres, have you not read?

Where would you go, the UK, where you'd threaten to leave, seriously, because Freedom Day got postponed?

I think Hungary is the new Alpha Country Utopia.

Gael23 · 23-06-2021 09:43AM

Golf Crazy Guy wrote: »

If the further reopening of society doesn’t come to fruition on July 5th, then stand by for a raft of legal challenges from angry vintners and restaurant owners.

The big question is whether the govt have the stomach to fight such challenges in the courts using taxpayers money that will lead to huge public backlash I can imagine.

Would such challenges have a chance at success

Vicxas · 23-06-2021 09:46AM

If vaccines have broken the link between severe hospitalisations and cases then cases are a moot point.

If they push back the reopening of indoor dining there will be carnage

23-06-2021 09:54AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I hate this country. If I was younger and didn’t have family I’d be gone. Genuinely.

Where is the fight back to all this ****e?

Just gonna stay away from the news now it’s wrecking my head.

Edit: Also, what’s the point of getting the vaccine now? I haven’t got it yet but seriously what’s the point? I’m young enough that this virus would be no harm to me and anyone i care about that’s potentially in danger is vaccinated.

I’m pro vaccine btw but I’m starting to wonder what’s the point.

Those who are most impacted by the virus are also the most likely to have the vaccine fail to give protection. By as many as possible getting the vaccine it reduces the risk to transmission to these people. It also gives your own immune system exposure to the virus spike protein, which will likely maintain a level of resistance for when you yourself are in the vulnerable age group.

The reason the other corona-viruses are not so serious is because we have all had previous exposure

Silentcorner · 23-06-2021 09:55AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I was wrong when I assumed as the first wave did not get here until March the seasonal effect would minimise the impact because it hit right at the end of the season.
I was wrong when I assumed cross immunity with other coronaviruses would help burn the virus out.
I was wrong when I dismissed rising case numbers last summer as only variation when a wider look showed clear steady stable increase from July through Oct (still before flu season), with no surge.
I was wrong when I assumed level 3 was all that was needed in the back end
I was wrong when I dismissed the role the uk variant would play after Christmas which was subsequently demonstrated in many more countries.

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Deleted User wrote: »

If you are really bored you can search for the posts. at you want it to no matter how many times you say it does.

You are saying you said all of the above, true or false?

23-06-2021 09:56AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You are saying you said all of the above, true or false?

I am saying I said all of the above

Silentcorner · 23-06-2021 09:57AM

Vicxas wrote: »

If vaccines have broken the link between severe hospitalisations and cases then cases are a moot point.

If they push back the reopening of indoor dining there will be carnage

There was a perfectly timed opinion poll in the last few days....apparently 80 per cent of us support the Government Restrictions.

Since then we have had a load of ISAG head bangers all over media pumping fear into the population....

They must think we are all idiots!

Hurrache · 23-06-2021 10:00AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

There was a perfectly timed opinion poll in the last few days....apparently 80 per cent of us support the Government Restrictions.

Since then we have had a load of ISAG head bangers all over media pumping fear into the population....

They must think we are all idiots!

Well, if they see fear in every story, maybe it's not an idiot they are, but they do have issues.

Leftwaffe · 23-06-2021 10:00AM

Vicxas wrote: »

If vaccines have broken the link between severe hospitalisations and cases then cases are a moot point.

If they push back the reopening of indoor dining there will be carnage

I really, really hope you are right. Hopefully people will not accept what’s about to happen

seamus · 23-06-2021 10:01AM

The vintners and restaurant owners won't start legal challenges, because they don't have a leg to stand on. We've been at this for 15 months, if there was a legal challenge to be brought, it'd have been brought by now.

I don't really see all this stuff about "ooh, we don't know" going anywhere, unless there's a material change in the situation here over the next 7 days. Case numbers are static, if not down, hospital and ICU numbers way down, vaccination continuing apace. If there was any major impact from the reopening on 7th June, we should have begun to see it by now.

As far as I can see, the only quarter casting doubt on 5th July is the media. Every politician is basically saying the same thing; We're still on course for 5th July, we have no reason to delay it right now, but that doesn't mean things can't change.

Based on where we are now, I would say that at most there may be some tweaks to the plan; slightly more prescriptive restrictions on indoor dining/boozing, perhaps even a suggestion that they should use/provide antigen tests before admitting customers indoors.

Right now, nobody is suggesting 5th July is under threat except the media. Even this "Delta Plus" thing is all more fearmongering. Jumping the gun. Until it's been sequenced, named the Epsilon variant AND identified as a variant of concern, then just ignore any talk about it.

facehugger99 · 23-06-2021 10:03AM

Golf Crazy Guy wrote: »

If the further reopening of society doesn’t come to fruition on July 5th, then stand by for a raft of legal challenges from angry vintners and restaurant owners.

The big question is whether the govt have the stomach to fight such challenges in the courts using taxpayers money that will lead to huge public backlash I can imagine.

They have been bought off using billions of borrowed money over the last 15 months.

That's why there hasn't been protests and legal challenges.

The bill for this nonsense is going to be absolutely staggering - we are the most indebted nation in Europe. Our standard of living will be impacted for generations to come. We are only surviving now because of cheap-credit. Once inflation starts to bubble (and it's going to be soon) and interest rates are hiked, we are well and truly fcuked.

If it wasn't so serious it would be almost amusing watching this sh;tshow unfold

Vicxas · 23-06-2021 10:04AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I really, really hope you are right. Hopefully people will not accept what’s about to happen

Unfortunately they will. Irish people are awful for showing proper distain at something. Unless it's charging us for water.

This won't stop people eating indoors, it just won't be legal. People are already bringing in stock, staff and making renovations for the 5th of July.

The government are a bunch of lacklustre cowards who are too afraid of their own shadows to act with any conviction.

Sweet.Science · 23-06-2021 10:08AM

seamus wrote: »

The vintners and restaurant owners won't start legal challenges, because they don't have a leg to stand on. We've been at this for 15 months, if there was a legal challenge to be brought, it'd have been brought by now.

I don't really see all this stuff about "ooh, we don't know" going anywhere, unless there's a material change in the situation here over the next 7 days. Case numbers are static, if not down, hospital and ICU numbers way down, vaccination continuing apace. If there was any major impact from the reopening on 7th June, we should have begun to see it by now.

As far as I can see, the only quarter casting doubt on 5th July is the media. Every politician is basically saying the same thing; We're still on course for 5th July, we have no reason to delay it right now, but that doesn't mean things can't change.

Based on where we are now, I would say that at most there may be some tweaks to the plan; slightly more prescriptive restrictions on indoor dining/boozing, perhaps even a suggestion that they should use/provide antigen tests before admitting customers indoors.

Right now, nobody is suggesting 5th July is under threat except the media. Even this "Delta Plus" thing is all more fearmongering. Jumping the gun. Until it's been sequenced, named the Epsilon variant AND identified as a variant of concern, then just ignore any talk about it.

I do agree with all that . Any normal person would think the same . By July 5th we will probably have single digits in ICU

MOH · 23-06-2021 10:12AM

gozunda wrote: »

Except that's not correct.

What Philip Nolan said was that "adults "starving" Covid-19 of opportunities to transmit is what allows schools to be safe"

https://mobile.twitter.com/president_mu/status/1296761284504047617

https://www.joe.ie/news/irish-schools-return-covid-safe-702201

In effect children returning to school was to be prioritised.

Whether the plan of "adults "starving" Covid-19 of opportunities to transmit allowed schools to be safe is a whole other discussion...

Bizarre desperate line of argument if you're resorting to claiming that somebody never said something because they said also something different at a different time.

Looking forward to seeing how you mangle truth to claim that this is not backing up what I said

The data I presented shows that the number of cases being detected today is 40% to 60% higher than the number of cases detected on February 1st ... I know it is a controversial thing for me to say but simply because things happen at the same time or simply because things are correlated does not imply a direct cause and effect relationship between the return to learning in a classroom and an increase in the number of cases detected in children at the same time

Graham wrote: »

I don't think there is huge negativity coming from NPHET or government. The gist is along the lines of we're reopening as planned but we need to watch the Delta variant.

I've seen no suggestion the next stage of relaxation is currently under threat.

And yet

zackory · 23-06-2021 10:13AM

seamus wrote: »

The vintners and restaurant owners won't start legal challenges, because they don't have a leg to stand on. We've been at this for 15 months, if there was a legal challenge to be brought, it'd have been brought by now.

A legal challenge from the restaurant association is presently progressing in the high Court. Keep up.

MOH · 23-06-2021 10:15AM

seamus wrote: »

The vintners and restaurant owners won't start legal challenges, because they don't have a leg to stand on. We've been at this for 15 months, if there was a legal challenge to be brought, it'd have been brought by now.

Are you actually aware of stuff going on in this country?

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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